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I am educating them. Not trolling. I vehemently disagree with their poor assessments of stafford. Sit down and learn something
Why don't you try actually admitting when Stafford makes bad plays instead of just brushing them under the rug or chalking them up to "his teammates screwed up for him" or "the opponent got lucky"? I agree that its not fair to just cherry pick all his bad plays, but you could at least admit when Stafford just plain screws up. Is that really so hard? People would take you more seriously if you actually debate with a little give and take, instead of constantly talking in extreme absolutes (acting like a troll).
I already know the answer to all this, and it's because you're not trying to have real arguments. Carry on.
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Obvious troll job. Anyone who defends throwing into double coverage where if lucky, best outcome is incomplete obviously doesn't know football.
Anyone who ignores a wide open NFL receiver is the correct read obviously does not know football.
I'm still under the impression he is a packers fan. No logical Lions fan would defend Y7Stafford this much. Only a fan of a team that benefits from the inconsistent play of a lions QB would like Stafford this much. He is either a Packers fan or a Stafford relative. He has the same arguments as staffords unknowledgeable girlfriend.
I mean this poster can't even diagnose the simplest of videos/gifs.
boogerlovejoy
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Instead of just talking about game tape. Lets show some:
Against the Bears: Hey look 2nd and 10 in the redzone. Easy throw to bell. Gain at a minimum of 5, more likely more yards. Nah lets throw it to the cluster of people in the back of the endzone and hope all the bears players miss it and it magically lands in the hands of a Lions Player. Great Read #9!
Against Panters: Well we established he doesn't like a wide open Bell. So lets under-throw to Double covered Calvin when defenders are in the trail position. Maybe this is another one of Staffords hope for PI instead of taking the TDs decision (like Fuller in Bears game):
Against Miami: This one can't possibly be on Stafford it is just a great play by Grimes. True if you ignore the fact he simply only looked at Calvin and completly missed the wide open Ross. But it's more fun to blame WRs and pretend they never get open. So we will continue to ignore plays where the wide-open dude was missed.
You could do that for any QB. Look how easy it is.
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-o...rows-one-of-worst-interceptions-of-his-career
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LKP is the Strawman.. Now it all comes together.
I didn't choose plays for Stafford in which he was under almost immediate pressure. Obviously all QBs have the occasional poor throw or decision. Just seems so much more frequent with Stafford. It's just frustrating to see wide open guys so often and Staff choosing to throw a poor ball into coverage.
I'd trade suspended 4 game Brady for full 16 game Stafford in a second next year if it was offered.
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I get it. I'm not here saying Stafford is elite. He isn't. He is never going to be the guy who throws under 10 int's a year. Not his game. He is going to trust his arm and try to fit throws into places he shouldn't try to.
To me, he is around 10th best QB in the NFL right now. I'd take him over other guys in that range like Eli, Cam, Colin Keapernick, Matt Ryan and Dalton, though.
He is a guy that you're either going to like or hate........there are very few fans that don't have a love or hate relationship with #9.
I guess my point with the Brady post is all QB's do that. Look at Russell Wilson.....lost a freaking Super Bowl with a bad throw. Peyton Manning looked like dog shit in the playoffs last year. He was fucking awful. Drew Brees lost 9 games last year....including to the Lions in which his last 5 drives were punt, FG, FG, INT and Downs. You guys would KILL Stafford for that.
That shit happens. Even to good/great/elite QB's
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I'd take Matt Ryan in a heartbeat. I'd be thrilled if Matt was 10th best but his stats and effectiveness says he's much worse.
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Matt Ryan is 10-22 in his last 32 starts.
Then there's this.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-.../Vaughn-intercepts-Matt-Ryan-returns-45-yards
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The point of the post was to display to LKP that Stafford was not great all year like he says. All of those terrible plays were from last year...plays that LKP said Stafford made the correct play.
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I don't argue with that fool. He is the worst poster on this board.
That said, my point was that all QB's make bad plays.....even Brady/Wilson/Rodgers/Brees/Manning. It's not exclusive to Stafford.
While Matt Ryan is far from the gold standard, I would still take him over Stafford.
Stafford is the most inconsistent QB in the league. I don't know how anyone can be confident, that in a must win game, you know he is going to go out and have a good game.
There are times he looks great, Like the Giants game this year, but that's usually followed up by a stinker such as the Carolina game. I shouldn't be able to remember great throws so easily. Like the one to Durham against Dallas down the sideline with like a minute left in the game. Those are the throws he needs to make. That was an Open WR in the NFL, those are the throws he needs to make more often. You will see 3-4 throws a game like that from the elite guys. But in Detroit more often than not its a bit over thrown, under thrown, off to the side and then we say..well the WR didn't give him a big enough window or the WR wasn't open.
Even in College he was on a loaded Georgia team his final year and did nothing with it. You just can't count on this guy to do much besides throw the ball a lot.
Stafford is the most inconsistent QB in the league. I don't know how anyone can be confident, that in a must win game, you know he is going to go out and have a good game.
There are times he looks great, Like the Giants game this year, but that's usually followed up by a stinker such as the Carolina game. I shouldn't be able to remember great throws so easily. Like the one to Durham against Dallas down the sideline with like a minute left in the game. Those are the throws he needs to make. That was an Open WR in the NFL, those are the throws he needs to make more often. You will see 3-4 throws a game like that from the elite guys. But in Detroit more often than not its a bit over thrown, under thrown, off to the side and then we say..well the WR didn't give him a big enough window or the WR wasn't open.
Even in College he was on a loaded Georgia team his final year and did nothing with it. You just can't count on this guy to do much besides throw the ball a lot.
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I agree on both points. I have always said that Stafford is average to slightly above average.
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Yes, because record means what now? That Matt and Peyton were the same in 2014?
any first down, any TD, any smart throw away. Stafford makes a ton of them. They far outweigh the bad. Stafford is a good QB especially given the injury and new system circumstances.
You all choose to ignore them and focus on the few bad plays. Also, you fail to to figure out whose fault an incomplete or interception. You just blindly blame Stafford every single time.
And I'll give you an example. 58.5% completion in 2013. 60.5% in 2014. Drop % went from 9% to 6%. Stafford played exactly the same but looked improved. Stafford's level of play is good. The injuries to the Oline/Calvin/Bush and new system and weapon injuries in 2012/2013 and drops made him look bad in those years.
2011 he gets what he's supposed to get. Decent protection, some run support (not great) and healthy weapons. 5,000 yards and 41 TDs.
Aaron Rodgers has lost 8 in a row on the road to teams over .500. It's a team sport.
The level of Stafford's play is an asset, not a problem.
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Any NFL starter is going to make more good plays (based on your definition of good plays) than bad plays. That is just a fact.
What separates the great, from the average, from the bad is the amount of Great/Elite plays vs the Amount of poor/mistake plays.
You limit the bad you increase the great that's when you can crack into the top 10 QB discussion. However Stafford still hasn't gotten over that hump. He is too inconsistent and still has to many bad plays/reads.
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