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[tomdalton22]

It really isn't. It's the fact that OSU is not a collegiate football program. Like Alabama, Clemson, LSU, Georgia, Oklahoma, etc., they are a semi-pro program. Their "student-athletes" are simply football players. They can just sign up for online classes and solely concentrate on football.

to an extent, it is true at every big time program, including UM. The minute they lower academic standards to allow an athlete into their school their players are simply football or basketball players. I'm sure most of the athletes on the men's basketball team and the football team couldn't get into UM if it weren't for their athletic abilities. Hell, they probably couldn't even get into OSU

 

[thewolverines24]

to an extent, it is true at every big time program, including UM. The minute they lower academic standards to allow an athlete into their school their players are simply football or basketball players. I'm sure most of the athletes on the men's basketball team and the football team couldn't get into UM if it weren't for their athletic abilities. Hell, they probably couldn't even get into OSU

Everyone gets into OSU. That's why their undergrad enrollment is ridiculously large.

I know UM lowers the standard for athletes. However, we don't allow players to simply take online classes and never show up on campus. Justin Fields barely even knew what OSU's campus looked like. He said as much. ?I don?t really have any on-campus classes, like actually in-classes, classes," Fields said. "Most of my classes are online just because of time and I can probably spend more time on football and just studying a lot like that. So, I haven?t really been around on campus that much, but what I have seen is just the campus is beautiful and the people around here are great.?

He didn't spend time studying.

 

[bphillips4gg]

Everyone gets into OSU. That's why their undergrad enrollment is ridiculously large.

I know UM lowers the standard for athletes. However, we don't allow players to simply take online classes and never show up on campus. Justin Fields barely even knew what OSU's campus looked like. He said as much. ?I don?t really have any on-campus classes, like actually in-classes, classes," Fields said. "Most of my classes are online just because of time and I can probably spend more time on football and just studying a lot like that. So, I haven?t really been around on campus that much, but what I have seen is just the campus is beautiful and the people around here are great.?

He didn't spend time studying.

I'm fairly certain that those exceptions exist for UM, maybe not to the extent that they do elsewhere but athletes have every advantage that the rest of us didn't in school. And that started in high school for a lot of them. Michigan's scaffolding standards are lowered any time they take an athlete that's right at the minimum entry requirements because you know that a lot of those guys are getting 90%of their work done for them in high school. Hell, you can tell just listening to some of them talk.

 

[tomdalton22]

Everyone gets into OSU. That's why their undergrad enrollment is ridiculously large.

I know UM lowers the standard for athletes. However, we don't allow players to simply take online classes and never show up on campus. Justin Fields barely even knew what OSU's campus looked like. He said as much. ?I don?t really have any on-campus classes, like actually in-classes, classes," Fields said. "Most of my classes are online just because of time and I can probably spend more time on football and just studying a lot like that. So, I haven?t really been around on campus that much, but what I have seen is just the campus is beautiful and the people around here are great.?

He didn't spend time studying.

I think you'd be surprised how difficult it is to get into OSU now vs. 10-20 years ago. When I graduated from HS all you needed is $ and a pulse and you could get in. The standards now are significantly higher. I read that you need a ACT between 27-31, GPA above 3.5.

I know it isn't UM but it's not easy. I know my GPA would have kept me out...but I was a lazy ass in HS....too much :cheers:

 

[thewolverines24]

I think you'd be surprised how difficult it is to get into OSU now vs. 10-20 years ago. When I graduated from HS all you needed is $ and a pulse and you could get in. The standards now are significantly higher. I read that you need a ACT between 27-31, GPA above 3.5.

I know it isn't UM but it's not easy. I know my GPA would have kept me out...but I was a lazy ass in HS....too much :cheers:

Did they raise the standard due to too much on campus inbreeding? :cheers:

 

[Spartanmack]

I think you'd be surprised how difficult it is to get into OSU now vs. 10-20 years ago. When I graduated from HS all you needed is $ and a pulse and you could get in. The standards now are significantly higher. I read that you need a ACT between 27-31, GPA above 3.5.

I know it isn't UM but it's not easy. I know my GPA would have kept me out...but I was a lazy ass in HS....too much :cheers:

wasn't that just for Ohio kids that they had the liberal admissions policy? They got a lot of grief for it but I actually like the idea that if you grew up in Ohio and got a diploma from an Ohio HS you basically got a shot at OSU. It should be easier for kids whose parents' taxes fund the school. And their academic reputation was mostly based on the admissions policy but when they had that policy they also had one of the highest freshman dropout rates in the country, so you could get a shot but you had to do the work or you were gone - for non-athletes, anyway.

 

[bphillips4gg]

wasn't that just for Ohio kids that they had the liberal admissions policy? They got a lot of grief for it but I actually like the idea that if you grew up in Ohio and got a diploma from an Ohio HS you basically got a shot at OSU. It should be easier for kids whose parents' taxes fund the school. And their academic reputation was mostly based on the admissions policy but when they had that policy they also had one of the highest freshman dropout rates in the country, so you could get a shot but you had to do the work or you were gone - for non-athletes, anyway.

Miami Ohio had an automatic admission policy for my high school (went to high school in Oxford). The graduating class before me was the last class to have that benefit because such a high percentage of the students that took advantage of it washed out. It's an awful policy and denies more deserving students spots and the kids from my school that deserved a spot got in anyway.

That's what satellite campuses are for. Go there, prove you aren't a jackass and transfer to the main campus after 2 years.

 

[tomdalton22]

Did they raise the standard due to too much on campus inbreeding? :cheers:

I doubt it. There are +- 20,000 kids per class. The odds of screwing someone you are related to are pretty slim.

 

[rumseyhouse77]

wasn't that just for Ohio kids that they had the liberal admissions policy? They got a lot of grief for it but I actually like the idea that if you grew up in Ohio and got a diploma from an Ohio HS you basically got a shot at OSU. It should be easier for kids whose parents' taxes fund the school. And their academic reputation was mostly based on the admissions policy but when they had that policy they also had one of the highest freshman dropout rates in the country, so you could get a shot but you had to do the work or you were gone - for non-athletes, anyway.

Having that kind of "open doors" policy really is not beneficial to most of the students. If you washout after a year or two, you still have to payoff the debt that you accumulated, which may be difficult given your employment prospects as a failed student. Although it may benefit the athletic programs and school in that even if the students washout, they are still indoctrinated as fans of the athletic program and school.

 

[lostleader]

I hear you and have been through it longer and worse than uofm fans. I just think with 5th year seniors (who may have been recruited but never coached by Hoke) being the only guys left who have any recollection of the program pre-harbaugh, it's time to hold jim accountable for this year any every year after. Presumably, the only 5th year guys left are the ones that bought into whatever culture Harbaugh is building.

Oh I agree completely

 

[tinselwolverine]

Justin Fields quote:

"We take it more seriously than they do," Fields said. "Like (strength coach) Mickey Marotti said, 'We're preparing for them next year right now.' It just means more at Ohio State. That's pretty much the big reason.

"I know a few players on (Michigan) and I just know the things we do in terms of work outs and how serious we take it at Ohio State. So talking to those guys, and getting their perspective on things, I definitely see we take it more serious."


Hit the nail on the head. We're going to keep getting our asses kicked if it stays that way too.

I?m watching Oregon thumping Utah on the way to a Rose Bowl berth, and I?m remembering this from a year ago, as the Buckeyes had just been nudged out the CFP:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KpCdgf_h10Y

I doubt a single Buckeye viewed that game as an exhibition game.