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Tigers 2021-2022 Free Agents Trades Rule 5 Arbitration Moves

tomdalton22 said:
I have.
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I'm hoping for Kreidler to be something, but don't forget that AAA is still tossing a juiced ball. A .750 OPS is meh in AA and he was worse at A ball. Didn't really mash in college either. He had an encouraging year, but nothing he did last year earned him a spot with Detroit.
 
I?m mildly surprised that CI committed that much money to one player.
 
Tigers add Javier B?ez - the MLB leader in Defensive Runs Saved over the last 3 seasons and a 4-time Fielding Bible Award winner.

Javier Baez and the Tigers are nearing a deal. It is expected to be a six-year contract worth $140 million.

The Tigers rank last in Defensive Runs Saved since 2016 ... by a LOT!!
Fewest Defensive Runs Saved - Since 2016.
Tigers -352
Phillies -142
Orioles -132

If you calculate based on bWAR: they were -2.7 in 2021. If Baez gets them +4.5 bWAR (about his career average), then the Tigers get +7.2 wins compared to their team last year, purely based on this transaction.

In 2019 Javy Baez was. +31 OAA at SS.. that?s likely the decade for Tigers shortstops.

Javy Baez is my 4th or 5th choice to play SS..however if I told you DET signed a SS for 4 years who had averaged 4.1 WAR 31 HR with an outstanding glove the last 3 full seasons played..nobody would complain much.

From what connected smart people shared with me .. DET offered Correa a ton of money.. more 33M AAV.. he didn?t want to play here that badly.. deal with it people it?s part of the game.

BTW there is nothing on a baseball field or any skill that Javy Baez is not better than Ryan Kreidler? except maybe drawing walks.

MGorosh
 
This is for the Detroit Tigers fans who believe that Chris Ilitch is cheap.
Btw, the Tigers still need another starting pitcher and potentially another outfielder. Their spending will go up some more...

Current MLB Offseason Spending:
1. #Rangers, $561.2M
2. #Mets, $254.5M
3. #BlueJays, $252M
4. #Tigers, $217M
5. #Rays, $200M
BAL, CIN, CLE, KC, SD yet to make a signing.

It's not official until it's official but reports have Javier Baez making $140mill/6 years with the Detroit Tigers.

Totally Tigers
 
kalinecountry said:
Tigers add Javier B?ez - the MLB leader in Defensive Runs Saved over the last 3 seasons and a 4-time Fielding Bible Award winner.

Javier Baez and the Tigers are nearing a deal. It is expected to be a six-year contract worth $140 million.

The Tigers rank last in Defensive Runs Saved since 2016 ... by a LOT!!
Fewest Defensive Runs Saved - Since 2016.
Tigers -352
Phillies -142
Orioles -132

If you calculate based on bWAR: they were -2.7 in 2021. If Baez gets them +4.5 bWAR (about his career average), then the Tigers get +7.2 wins compared to their team last year, purely based on this transaction.

In 2019 Javy Baez was. +31 OAA at SS.. that?s likely the decade for Tigers shortstops.

Javy Baez is my 4th or 5th choice to play SS..however if I told you DET signed a SS for 4 years who had averaged 4.1 WAR 31 HR with an outstanding glove the last 3 full seasons played..nobody would complain much.

From what connected smart people shared with me .. DET offered Correa a ton of money.. more 33M AAV.. he didn?t want to play here that badly.. deal with it people it?s part of the game.

BTW there is nothing on a baseball field or any skill that Javy Baez is not better than Ryan Kreidler? except maybe drawing walks.

MGorosh
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My problem with Baez is that his numbers are on the decline. It's ironic to me that the crowd that was scared of paying Correa because they have PTSD from Miggy's contract aren't seeing that Baez contract is more Miggy than Correa's would've been. You're paying for what Baez was, not what he is. Where Correa has yet to show any decline at all.

I think the Tigers were 3rd or 4th in team strikeouts last season and now they just signed the NL strikeout king. I dunno. I'm not burning couches or anything but I'm just not liking this deal. I'll wait to see what the rest of free agency holds but color me skeptical to think Al and Chris are going to wow me with the money they 'saved' by going with Baez over Correa.
 
kalinecountry said:
This is for the Detroit Tigers fans who believe that Chris Ilitch is cheap.
Btw, the Tigers still need another starting pitcher and potentially another outfielder. Their spending will go up some more...

Current MLB Offseason Spending:
1. #Rangers, $561.2M
2. #Mets, $254.5M
3. #BlueJays, $252M
4. #Tigers, $217M
5. #Rays, $200M
BAL, CIN, CLE, KC, SD yet to make a signing.

It's not official until it's official but reports have Javier Baez making $140mill/6 years with the Detroit Tigers.

Totally Tigers
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I think the big asterisk that goes with this information is that the Tigers payroll is and has been in the basement. Even by spending what they've spent, their payroll will probably still be below league average.
 
Comparing Baez to the others.
https://twitter.com/ChrisBrown0914/status/1464403157992226822/photo/1

In 2019, he had a Defensive Runs Saved of 31. An upgrade defensively.

Tigers fans are free to dislike any deals the team signs, and are always encouraged to let their wallets do the talking.
But I feel like there?s probably going to be a bit too much focus on Javier B?ez?s very real flaws, and not enough focus on some pretty remarkable skills.

Chris Brown from Tigers SRD Radio Podcast and other places of Tigers analytics.
 
sggatecl said:
My problem with Baez is that his numbers are on the decline. It's ironic to me that the crowd that was scared of paying Correa because they have PTSD from Miggy's contract aren't seeing that Baez contract is more Miggy than Correa's would've been. You're paying for what Baez was, not what he is. Where Correa has yet to show any decline at all.

I think the Tigers were 3rd or 4th in team strikeouts last season and now they just signed the NL strikeout king. I dunno. I'm not burning couches or anything but I'm just not liking this deal. I'll wait to see what the rest of free agency holds but color me skeptical to think Al and Chris are going to wow me with the money they 'saved' by going with Baez over Correa.
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I like players with good OBP and walk rates, and players who do not chase slop and strike out a ton. Baez wasn't my first choice, and more I look at this compared to what they have put out there at shortstop he is still an improvement Great Defense and Home run power. Just the chase rate low walk rate I don't.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/baezja01.shtml
I'm not sure where exactly the decline in numbers is. His last 2 months with the Mets he played great, and walked at a high rate.
Meh they still need a lot more to be a legitimate WS contending team.
 
https://www.mlb.com/tigers/news/javier-baez-tigers-deal
B?ez to Tigers on 6-year deal. Nice Video.
Tigers official site

https://www.blessyouboys.com/2021/11/30/22809412/detroit-tigers-javier-baez-mlb-free-agents-rumors
Tigers sign Javier B?ez to 6-year contract, per report.
Javy B?ez is both fun and frustrating, but he would provide a big upgrade for the Tigers at the shortstop position.
BYBTB

https://www.blessyouboys.com/2021/1...ez-2022-lineup-riley-greene-spencer-torkelson
Examining the Tigers 2022 lineup with the addition of Javier B?ez.
Bringing up a couple top prospects, this offense could actually do some damage.
BYBTB

https://www.blessyouboys.com/2021/1...rs-news-javier-baez-signing-fan-approval-poll
What do you think of the Javier B?ez signing?
B?ez and the Tigers agreed on a six-year contract early Tuesday morning, according to reports.
BYBTB

https://motorcitybengals.com/2021/11/30/comparing-javier-baez-detroit-tigers/
Comparing Javier B?ez to other Detroit Tigers.
MCBTB

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/tigers-sign-javier-baez.html
Tigers To Sign Javier Baez.
MLBTR

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/s...detroit-tigers-shortstop-contract/8804757002/
Tigers reach six-year, $140M deal with shortstop Javier B?ez.
Detnews

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...troit-tigers-javier-baez-contract/8804706002/
Detroit Tigers to sign shortstop Javier Baez to 6-year, $140 million contract.
Freep

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...ier-baez-contract-al-avila-ilitch/8806114002/
'I'm not mad but I'm pretty mad': Detroit Tigers fans like, but don't love, Javy Baez deal.
Freep

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...er-baez-defense-base-running-mets/8806699002/
Meet Javier Baez: Smooth new Detroit Tigers SS will excite you in more ways than 1.
Freep

https://www.mlive.com/tigers/2021/1...eal-with-javier-baez-mlb-network-reports.html
Tigers land shortstop Javier Baez on 6-year deal.
Mlive

https://www.mlive.com/tigers/2021/11/projecting-tigers-2022-lineup-after-signing-of-javier-baez.html
Projecting Tigers? 2022 lineup after signing of Javier Baez.
Mlive

https://www.mlive.com/tigers/2021/1...t-was-signing-javier-baez-right-decision.html
Tigers opted to finish to-do list before lockout: Was signing Javier Baez right decision?
Mlive

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...-free-agent-shortstop-javier-baez-source-says
Detroit Tigers agree to multiyear deal with free-agent shortstop Javier Baez.
espn
 
kalinecountry said:
I like players with good OBP and walk rates, and players who do not chase slop and strike out a ton. Baez wasn't my first choice, and more I look at this compared to what they have put out there at shortstop he is still an improvement Great Defense and Home run power. Just the chase rate low walk rate I don't.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/baezja01.shtml
I'm not sure where exactly the decline in numbers is. His last 2 months with the Mets he played great, and walked at a high rate.
Meh they still need a lot more to be a legitimate WS contending team.
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Baez and Correa have about an equal WAR over the last 4 years. I would prefer Correa also if money didn't matter but at double the cost it absolutely does.
 
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