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Tigers Hot Stove 2012

I'm not a big fan of the "they are building for the next couple years." What's the difference between winning a title now or next year? This division is AWFUL. You never know what's going to happen with anything, so if there is a trade that can be made to bolster the starting rotation to win it this year, do it. Prospects are just that, prospects. I don't want them to sell everyone for a 3-month rental, but for someone who will be here for a couple years.
 
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everyoneneedsasmil said:
I'm not sure there are any Fister-types out there. Fister had a poor record pre-trade, which lowered the cost to get him. He was a better pitcher than his record, though, and we banked on that. There just aren't any guys this year with particularly poor records or fluky ERA (compared to actual pitching accumen) that would turn out well for cheap. And at this point (Turner/Smyly/Porcello/Scherzer looking pretty bad and Fister still seemingly hurt), I'm not sure we can afford to bank on getting less than a #2 starter if we want to just make the playoffs.

I think it's time to really just throw some caution to the wind. Turner's value isn't increasing anymore until he gets 100% healthy and starts throwing more strikes. But, he's not exactly a lost cause either as other teams can still see he has the stuff to be better. Castellanos may be very good, but he's also years away (this roster is built to win now, and most of our players are already maxed out). We may not be able to wait long enough to get Castellanos into the outfield. I'm not saying throw them away willy nilly, but Cole Hamels is a top of the rotation level pitcher.
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I think he was cheaper because he doesn't throw 95+. Most people don't worry about the record, especially playing in Seattle. We all know their offense was lackluster.
 
dubbsco said:
I'm not a big fan of the "they are building for the next couple years." What's the difference between winning a title now or next year? This division is AWFUL. You never know what's going to happen with anything, so if there is a trade that can be made to bolster the starting rotation to win it this year, do it. Prospects are just that, prospects. I don't want them to sell everyone for a 3-month rental, but for someone who will be here for a couple years.
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I agree that if the trade is for a player that isn't a rental I am ok with it. But to trade a guy like Nick C for a rental makes no sense to me.
 
Agreed. With the uncertainty of every season, you never really know how things will turn out. I'm not sure which starting pitchers they are looking at, but I hope they end up with one under contract for a little bit.
 
I think it might cost a little more than a mid-level to get Barney.
 
Trade No. 1: Miami Marlins third baseman Hanley Ramirez, starting pitcher Anibal Sanchez and second baseman Omar Infante to Detroit Tigers for third baseman Nick Castellanos, starting pitcher Jacob Turner and outfielder Delmon Young


The Tigers can't afford to let prime seasons from Justin Verlander, Miguel Cabrera and Prince Fielder go to waste. They have already bet big on 2012, so they shouldn't stop short now.

Ramirez hasn't settled in well at third base and probably could use a change of scenery, and Detroit might be a good place for him to start over. Of course, with Cabrera at third, he'd have switch positions again, but the Tigers could get creative in an effort to get him on board: They could offer him a chance to move back to shortstop in 2013 if he's willing to move to the outfield for the rest of this season. Ramirez had been outspoken about wanting to remain at shortstop before this season, and the organization could decline Jhonny Peralta's team option for next season to give Ramirez another shot at his preferred position.

An outfield experiment might be the best use of Ramirez's physical skills anyway, and he certainly would be an upgrade over Young, who's inept out there and doesn't hit enough to make up for it. (The Marlins would be forced to take him back simply so Jim Leyland wouldn't play him anymore.)

Sanchez is an underrated hurler who would fit in well behind Verlander, but he's headed for a big payday in free agency and might be too pricey for the Marlins to sign this offseason. Including him in the deal to get Castellanos and Turner would be better than letting him walk for draft-pick compensation during the winter.

Infante, who broke in with the Tigers, might look like a throw-in, but given Detroit's awful production from second base (.198/.277/.274 AVG/OBP/SLG) this season, just getting a league-average player would be a dramatic upgrade. The price for these two upgrades might seem steep, but if the deal breathes new life into Ramirez, he could be the difference between Detroit sitting at home or throwing a parade this fall. For the Marlins, they would finally have a real third baseman of the future, an interesting young pitcher and a chance to move on from the Ramirez era.
 
buddyboy2121 said:
Trade No. 1: Miami Marlins third baseman Hanley Ramirez, starting pitcher Anibal Sanchez and second baseman Omar Infante to Detroit Tigers for third baseman Nick Castellanos, starting pitcher Jacob Turner and outfielder Delmon Young


The Tigers can't afford to let prime seasons from Justin Verlander, Miguel Cabrera and Prince Fielder go to waste. They have already bet big on 2012, so they shouldn't stop short now.

Ramirez hasn't settled in well at third base and probably could use a change of scenery, and Detroit might be a good place for him to start over. Of course, with Cabrera at third, he'd have switch positions again, but the Tigers could get creative in an effort to get him on board: They could offer him a chance to move back to shortstop in 2013 if he's willing to move to the outfield for the rest of this season. Ramirez had been outspoken about wanting to remain at shortstop before this season, and the organization could decline Jhonny Peralta's team option for next season to give Ramirez another shot at his preferred position.

An outfield experiment might be the best use of Ramirez's physical skills anyway, and he certainly would be an upgrade over Young, who's inept out there and doesn't hit enough to make up for it. (The Marlins would be forced to take him back simply so Jim Leyland wouldn't play him anymore.)

Sanchez is an underrated hurler who would fit in well behind Verlander, but he's headed for a big payday in free agency and might be too pricey for the Marlins to sign this offseason. Including him in the deal to get Castellanos and Turner would be better than letting him walk for draft-pick compensation during the winter.

Infante, who broke in with the Tigers, might look like a throw-in, but given Detroit's awful production from second base (.198/.277/.274 AVG/OBP/SLG) this season, just getting a league-average player would be a dramatic upgrade. The price for these two upgrades might seem steep, but if the deal breathes new life into Ramirez, he could be the difference between Detroit sitting at home or throwing a parade this fall. For the Marlins, they would finally have a real third baseman of the future, an interesting young pitcher and a chance to move on from the Ramirez era.
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The Tigers aren't going to add $27 million in payroll
 
If anything DY trade value has probably went up some over the past 6 weeks with him hitting better.
 
Mitchrapp said:
If anything DY trade value has probably went up some over the past 6 weeks with him hitting better.
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maybe we can fool some schmuck into taking him.



quick, get kenny williams on the phone! i betcha he'll trade us konerko for him.
 
buddyboy2121 said:
Trade No. 1: Miami Marlins third baseman Hanley Ramirez, starting pitcher Anibal Sanchez and second baseman Omar Infante to Detroit Tigers for third baseman Nick Castellanos, starting pitcher Jacob Turner and outfielder Delmon Young


The Tigers can't afford to let prime seasons from Justin Verlander, Miguel Cabrera and Prince Fielder go to waste. They have already bet big on 2012, so they shouldn't stop short now.

Ramirez hasn't settled in well at third base and probably could use a change of scenery, and Detroit might be a good place for him to start over. Of course, with Cabrera at third, he'd have switch positions again, but the Tigers could get creative in an effort to get him on board: They could offer him a chance to move back to shortstop in 2013 if he's willing to move to the outfield for the rest of this season. Ramirez had been outspoken about wanting to remain at shortstop before this season, and the organization could decline Jhonny Peralta's team option for next season to give Ramirez another shot at his preferred position.

An outfield experiment might be the best use of Ramirez's physical skills anyway, and he certainly would be an upgrade over Young, who's inept out there and doesn't hit enough to make up for it. (The Marlins would be forced to take him back simply so Jim Leyland wouldn't play him anymore.)

Sanchez is an underrated hurler who would fit in well behind Verlander, but he's headed for a big payday in free agency and might be too pricey for the Marlins to sign this offseason. Including him in the deal to get Castellanos and Turner would be better than letting him walk for draft-pick compensation during the winter.

Infante, who broke in with the Tigers, might look like a throw-in, but given Detroit's awful production from second base (.198/.277/.274 AVG/OBP/SLG) this season, just getting a league-average player would be a dramatic upgrade. The price for these two upgrades might seem steep, but if the deal breathes new life into Ramirez, he could be the difference between Detroit sitting at home or throwing a parade this fall. For the Marlins, they would finally have a real third baseman of the future, an interesting young pitcher and a chance to move on from the Ramirez era.
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If this deal was even a possibility, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
 
spockmaster said:
for his career he has a K rate under 6, a BB rate over 3, and is yet another groundball pitcher we would try to play with the worst infield defense in the game.


NO THANKS.
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Like our trio of outfielders DY, BB and Raburn are much better.
 
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