Today's example of Christians behaving badly

[Mitchrapp]

I'm starting to think the title of this thread should be renamed to Catholics behaving badly. More priests, more destroyed children - more cover up by the Pope. The Catholic church can go to hell.

 

[Spartanmack]

I agree that health care shouldn't be a part of salary. I know why it used to make sense, but things have changed a lot since then.


But given the screwed up state of our system, to then act like an employer should get to line item insurance coverage for their employees is also a bad idea.

compelling employers to violate their own moral code in ways that don't harm the other party isn't the answer to that problem.

 

[Gulo Blue]

compelling employers to violate their own moral code in ways that don't harm the other party isn't the answer to that problem.

You don't have to hand money to healthcare providers. They can hand it to the government. Same as everything else the government does that various people object to on religious grounds.

 

[Spartanmack]

You don't have to hand money to healthcare providers. They can hand it to the government. Same as everything else the government does that various people object to on religious grounds.

they're still funding something they object too. All you're doing here is adding a layer of bureaucracy.


and I don't think that health in insurance shouldn't be an employer provided benefit, just that the gov't shouldn't compel employers to compensate employees in anything other than money. What employers and employees agree to at arms length (that isn't illegal) is ok with me. The reason employer provided insurance makes sense is the group discounts, waiver of medical screening, etc.

 

[Michchamp]

Time to clear a little backlog:

1) Pastor catches flak for buying a $200,000 Lamborgini for his wife, and bragging about it on Instagram like an asshole (link).

"Do not hoard for yourselves treasures on earth” (Matthew 6:19)

2) Turns out Baptist churches were (for decades) similar to the Catholic church when it comes to shielding and enabling sexual assault by their members (link). Color
me surprised...

Not sure where to begin on this one, as it obviously violates a number of tenets of Christianity (as well as applicable state and federal laws), but...

Matthew 18:6 6"If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."

 

[Michchamp]

I'm going to start including the Biblical passages relevent to the bad behavior in this thread.

It's a new feature we're rolling out in 2019.

Happy New Year, all, and thanks for helping make this such a popular feature on DSF/Religion.

 

[tigermud]

A powerful religious leader in Russia is warning residents that the society's increasing reliance on smartphones and similar technology could usher in the arrival of the Antichrist. Patriarch Kirill, who heads the Russian Orthodox Church, reportedly made the worrisome remarks during a TV interview on Monday evening. Specifically, he cautioned about the ability to harvest personal information from these devices and the potential for such insights to be used for evil purposes.

"Every time you use your gadget," he chillingly observed, "somebody can find out exactly where you are, exactly what your interests are and exactly what you are scared of." While this may sound like a marketer's dream, Kirill noted that these details would also prove tempting to forces beyond our human realm. To that end, he ominously declared that "the Antichrist is the person who will be at the head of the worldwide web, controlling all of humankind."

Drilling down deeper into this unsettling scenario, Kirill argued that it is likely inevitable that technology will allow for someone or some group to eventually access and utilize the vast ocean of personal information freely offered up by individuals online. At that point, he fears, a dangerous door will be opened, opining that "such control from one place forebodes the coming of the Antichrist." As such, he mused that there should be "no central point" where all of the Internet can be controlled or else it will fall into the wrong hands.

While the church leader's words of warning have been met with skepticism from Russian residents, anyone who has seen some of the 'stars' that have emerged on YouTube over the last few years might be inclined to agree with Kirill's assessment that something sinister may very well lurk at the proverbial end of the internet rainbow

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/russian-religious-leader-warns-of-satanic-smartphones/

 

[Polish-Hammer]

You are misunderstanding the Russians here.

He is referring to foreign entities spying on you using your phone.

 

[Michchamp]

You are misunderstanding the Russians here.

He is referring to foreign entities spying on you using your phone.

Also, he's wrong.

It's not a "potential"... it's BEEN HAPPENING for years. and it's not just foreign and domestic governments, but business as well.

If you have a smart phone, and most people I know do, and you enable apps to access your location, or you use facebook or other social media apps, then everywhere you've been, every website and search you've done, has been tracked and analyzed and is being sold to marketers and companies to market to you RIGHT NOW.

You may be known as User #14529$BC, but by looking at all your contacts, etc. you can easily be "identified." they know where you live based on where your phone stops each night. they know who you associate with and where you work. they probably know your race, gender, age, income, education level, hobbies, etc. All this is being sold and used right now.

and in many cases all this information is just sitting on servers somewhere, maybe even unencrypted (because IT security costs money, and that hurts profits)... waiting to be hacked and resold.

And if some senator started proposing curbs on use of personal data & collection, and stronger legal penalties and statutory damages to allow you to sue the companies doing this, tech and marketing industry lobbyists would scream that "the market" is already regulating itself, and this new legislation will "stifle innovation," "hurt consumers," and "kill jobs" and idiots will believe them.

 

[tinselwolverine]

"Every time you use your gadget," he chillingly observed, "somebody can find out exactly where you are, exactly what your interests are and exactly what you are scared of." While this may sound like a marketer's dream, Kirill noted that these details would also prove tempting to forces beyond our human realm. To that end, he ominously declared that "the Antichrist is the person who will be at the head of the worldwide web, controlling all of humankind."


https://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/russian-religious-leader-warns-of-satanic-smartphones/

Wouldn?t demons and other evil supernatural entities know all this shit anyway without having to do any data mining?

 

[Michchamp]

This doesn't really belong on the Christians Behaving Badly thread...

Especially since Patriarch Kirill is just looking after his flock here.

 

[Michchamp]

Wouldn?t demons and other evil supernatural entities know all this shit anyway without having to do any data mining?

The Space Aliens with Moonbases he's worried about are probably pretty good hackers. we collect all this data on everyone, and i'm sure they could get it.

Not sure what they'd do with it though. Use it to commit massive credit card fraud, maybe?

 

[tigermud]

Wouldn?t demons and other evil supernatural entities know all this shit anyway without having to do any data mining?

Free will is given not taken.

 

[tigermud]

This doesn't really belong on the Christians Behaving Badly thread...

Especially since Patriarch Kirill is just looking after his flock here.

I didn't feel like starting a new thread and this was the closest match I could find at the time.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Wouldn?t demons and other evil supernatural entities know all this shit anyway without having to do any data mining?

I've been watching The Good Place and it's not entirely clear to me what demons know and don't know. It seems they can know most things about you, but they have to have had the interest to look everything up. They don't necessarily know everything about you.

 

[tigermud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl2r2j-rCfs#action=share

 

[Michchamp]

I didn't feel like starting a new thread and this was the closest match I could find at the time.

WHy don't you keep your shitposts out of this great thread, okay?

 

[tinselwolverine]

I've been watching The Good Place and it's not entirely clear to me what demons know and don't know. It seems they can know most things about you, but they have to have had the interest to look everything up. They don't necessarily know everything about you.

In that show, and other shows or films of the same genre like Defending Your Life, the historic data is at hand on a monitor.

But the superhumans-the demons or angels or whatever they are-get their information from the actions a person had taken, not by necessarily reading their thoughts, the way Liz Lemon does in 30 Rock during jury voir dire.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g2BsMSNfraQ

 

[sggatecl]

Cardinal George Pell, once the third most powerful man in the Vatican and Australia’s most senior Catholic, has been found guilty of child sexual abuse after a trial in Melbourne.

Cardinal George Pell, once the third most powerful man in the Vatican and Australia’s most senior Catholic, has been found guilty of child sexual abuse after a trial in Melbourne.

A jury delivered the unanimous verdict on 11 December in Melbourne’s county court, but the result was subject to a suppression order and could not be reported until now.

A previous trial on the same five charges, which began in August, resulted in a hung jury, leading to a retrial.

Pell, who is on leave from his role in Rome as Vatican treasurer, was found guilty of sexually penetrating a child under the age of 16 as well as four charges of an indecent act with a child under the age of 16. The offences occurred in December 1996 and early 1997 at St Patrick’s Cathedral, months after Pell was inaugurated as archbishop of Melbourne.

He is due to be sentenced next week but may be taken into custody at a plea hearing on Wednesday, having been out on bail since the verdict and recovering from knee surgery.

Pope Francis, who has previously praised Pell for his honesty and response to child sexual abuse, has yet to publicly react, but just two days after the unreported verdict in December the Vatican announced that Pell and two other cardinals had been removed from the pontiff’s council of advisers.

Pell’s conviction and likely imprisonment will cause shockwaves through a global Catholic congregation and is a blow to Francis’s efforts to get a grip on sexual abuse.

It comes just days after an unprecedented summit of cardinals and senior bishops in the presence of the pope at the Vatican, intended to signal a turning point on the issue that has gravely damaged the church and imperilled Francis’s papacy.

 

[Michchamp]

Cardinal George Pell, once the third most powerful man in the Vatican and Australia?s most senior Catholic, has been found guilty of child sexual abuse after a trial in Melbourne.

It's apparently the gay agenda that makes these freaks molest little kids, and also makes the church cover it up and move them around so they can molest other little kids. See? Not the Church's fault.

Also (link):

Pope Francis has accepted the resignation of Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick, the former archbishop of Washington, from the College of Cardinals, ordering him to a ?life of prayer and penance? after allegations that the cardinal sexually abused minors and adult seminarians over the course of decades, the Vatican announced on Saturday.
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I'm not surprised such high-ranking guys would be involved, given how widespread of a problem this is, and how the church turned a blind eye to it for decades. Church leadership didn't think it was a problem because they were involved in it themselves. Sick.



And this Pope has been pretty lousy at tackling this problem. Harbaugh should call the Vatican and request these back: