Today's example of Christians behaving badly

[tinselwolverine]

Catholc Church teaching applies to everyone. It's simply a matter of believing and accepting that. Few do, including too many Catholics.

OK, I just had to check because of the technicality. This thread title is “Christian is behaving badly,” not “Catholics behaving badly,” and Reverend and Mrs. Powers are Methodist, not Catholic.

But it’s cool to know that they probably weren’t behaving badly after all. That’s the main thing.

 

[tomdalton22]

OK, I just had to check because of the technicality. This thread title is ?Christian is behaving badly,? not ?Catholics behaving badly,? and Reverend and Mrs. Powers are Methodist, not Catholic.

But it?s cool to know that they probably weren?t behaving badly after all. That?s the main thing.

Maybe Michchamp was talking about the guy that broke in...maybe he was the christian behaving badly.

 

[Spartanmack]

Were you aware that you were posting yet another example where the good guy (and/or gal) with a gun prevents him/herself and others from being harmed by the bad guy? For a gun grabber, you sure do a good job of making the case for the 2nd amendment.

 

[byco42]

OK, I just had to check because of the technicality. This thread title is ?Christian is behaving badly,? not ?Catholics behaving badly,? and Reverend and Mrs. Powers our Methodist, not Catholic.

But it?s cool to know that they probably weren?t behaving badly after all. That?s the main thing.

Catholics were/are the original Christians. The ones that were lion food and living torches in Rome, the martyred saints, known and unknown, the ones currenty getting slaughtered in Nigeria, beaten and imprisioned in China, beheaded in the Middle East and, of those who are 100% true to their faith, would prefer "death over sin" in the words of St. Dominic Salvo, who died of natural causes in 1857, but another teen-aged saint, Jose Sanchez de Rio, was marched barefoot through broken glass by Mexican soldiers in 1928. His last words were "Viva Cristo Rey!" (Long live Christ the King). He was executed for refusing to renounce his Catholic faith. 11 of the 12 original apostoles were martyred. More Catholics have been martyred for their faith in the 20th and 21st centuries than in all the previous 19, and that ain't changing soon.

I make this observation to demonstrate how the truth can help people make seemingly impossible choices -- one that I am prepared to make, as well.

 

[Michchamp]

The context of MT 5:39 is personal vengeance, not self-defense, which Catholic Church teaching expressly endorses and even labels it as dutiful. A little, even casual research would suffice to illustrate. Jesus Himself constantly resisted evil, until his Passion.

As for MT 26:52, that's in context to challenging civil authority, as Peter was doing here.

BR must have offered little in the way of meaning scripture study, or you simply dismissed it.

I think the plain meaning of Christ's words is clear in both cases; no context needed.

 

[byco42]

I think the plain meaning of Christ's words is clear in both cases; no context needed.

It is plainly clear: you are interpreting them to suit your agenda.

 

[Michchamp]

It is plainly clear: you are interpreting them to suit your agenda.

It's not "Turn the other cheek... unless someone breaks into your house, then blast on those fools.

 

[byco42]

It's not "Turn the other cheek... unless someone breaks into your house, then blast on those fools.

From the mouth of Our Blessed Lord:

"When a strong man armed keepeth his court, those things are in peace which he possesseth. But if a stronger than he come upon him, and overcome him; he will take away all his armour wherein he trusted, and will distribute his spoils."

Luke 11:21-22 ... a parable (and parables had real-world meaning to Jesus) about resisting Satan. Also ..

MT 12:29 "Or how can any one enter into the house of the strong, and rifle his goods, unless he first bind the strong? and then he will rifle his house. "

Mark 3:27 "No man can enter into the house of a strong man and rob him of his goods, unless he first bind the strong man, and then shall he plunder his house."

Pretty clear that Jesus knows that a man has the right to defend his own house.

 

[Polish-Hammer]

From the mouth of Our Blessed Lord:

"When a strong man armed keepeth his court, those things are in peace which he possesseth. But if a stronger than he come upon him, and overcome him; he will take away all his armour wherein he trusted, and will distribute his spoils."

Luke 11:21-22 ... a parable (and parables had real-world meaning to Jesus) about resisting Satan. Also ..

MT 12:29 "Or how can any one enter into the house of the strong, and rifle his goods, unless he first bind the strong? and then he will rifle his house. "

Mark 3:27 "No man can enter into the house of a strong man and rob him of his goods, unless he first bind the strong man, and then shall he plunder his house."

Pretty clear that Jesus knows that a man has the right to defend his own house.

Hmmm weren't those texts written decades after the zombie had died?



Most people can't recall the conversation they had a week ago.

 

[byco42]

Hmmm weren't those texts written decades after the zombie had died?



Most people can't recall the conversation they had a week ago.

Do not underestimate God. He keeps the air going in and out of your lungs. In answer to your question. Yes. Written. Consider the technology of the time. Who would make that effort to record a known fallacy? Now, to refer to God as a "zombie" is disrespectful to beleivers like myself. Might you consider suspending that reference?

 

[Michchamp]

... He keeps the air going in and out of your lungs. ...

no, that's not correct; it's your autonomous nervous system controlling muscles in your diaphragm that expand and contract to pull air into your lungs and blow it out. your Christian god is not involved in teh process.

 

[byco42]

no, that's not correct; it's your autonomous nervous system controlling muscles in your diaphragm that expand and contract to pull air into your lungs and blow it out. your Christian god is not involved in teh process.

Actually, it is delegated to the Virtues hirearchy of angels, the "Spirits of Motion" to govern the comsos, which includes the oxygen exchange in your lungs, but you should have learned that at somepoint during your primary and secondary education.

 

[Michchamp]

Actually, it is delegated to the Virtues hirearchy of angels, the "Spirits of Motion" to govern the comsos, which includes the oxygen exchange in your lungs, but you should have learned that at somepoint during your primary and secondary education.

Definitely don't remember that one.

The Catholic schools I went to - to their credit - were teaching us to be productive members of society, not.... uh... how should I put this... people who are trying to turn back the clock 500 years.

 

[byco42]

Definitely don't remember that one.

The Catholic schools I went to - to their credit - were teaching us to be productive members of society, not.... uh... how should I put this... people who are trying to turn back the clock 500 years.

No Catholic School in MI would or does anything else. Your education clearly failed in your catechesis, though, which is its primary mission and responsibility.

 

[Gulo Blue]

He gave us the free will to choose to do the things that allow us to keep breathing and the consciousness to be aware of it.

 

[Michchamp]

He gave us the free will to choose to do the things that allow us to keep breathing and the consciousness to be aware of it.

And then he said "Okay, that's enough 'god' stuff for me. you're on your own. you won't see me again... like, ever. I'm hitting the craps tables."

 

[Gulo Blue]

And then he said "Okay, that's enough 'god' stuff for me. you're on your own. you won't see me again... like, ever. I'm hitting the craps tables."

The alternative is that we evolved to perceive this 'illusion' for no reason, since by definition, it could not be causal.

 

[Michchamp]

The alternative is that we evolved to perceive this 'illusion' for no reason, since by definition, it could not be causal.

free thought & consciousness provides an evolutionary advantage... that's why it exists.

 

[Gulo Blue]

free thought & consciousness provides an evolutionary advantage... that's why it exists.

The perception that you are weighing a choice and making a decision feels like it is a root cause. But, if you believe it is only the result of the state of the atoms in your head obeying physics, then it cannot be causal. It must be an illusion. This isn't something I made up; it's a popular idea among physicists and neuroscience researchers. An illusion cannot provide an evolutionary advantage.

 

[tinselwolverine]

And then he said "Okay, that's enough 'god' stuff for me. you're on your own. you won't see me again... like, ever. I'm hitting the craps tables."

This is actually the God as portrayed by George Burns in Oh God.

I can?t find the clip though.

Most us are probably know of this philosophy as that of the existence of the ?clockmaker god.?