Trade Rumors Castellanos to Cubs, Greene to Braves - signs with the Reds now Phillies

[Mitchrapp]

I'm not sure what Toronto was doing especially since Stroman has another year under contract.

As far as Boyd, I'm all for holding out for a better deal. Lowering his demands just means ml fodder. We've done that too often. Which is why we hate on Avila so much.

 

[nsonnett14]

I'm not sure what Toronto was doing especially since Stroman has another year under contract.

As far as Boyd, I'm all for holding out for a better deal. Lowering his demands just means ml fodder. We've done that too often. Which is why we hate on Avila so much.

Same here , and i think we are in such a great position with Boyd . Either we get blown away with an offer ( Frazier , Garcia , Florial ) or we hold on to Boyd and know we have a really good pitcher for next year . And then start the process all over

 

[gotime909]

So over the past week or two I've seen links to Atlanta for Greene, Boyd and Castellanos at different times. Now Markakis is hurt so they really are looking for an outfielder. They have a strong minor league right now so I'd offer all 3 of them to them. Might be the best shot we have to get a few high end prospects back.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Especially that Atlanta hasn't played well as of late and the lead in the division is shrinking.

 

[gotime909]

I just picture Avila sitting in his office staring at his phone waiting and not doing anything proactive

 

[Mitchrapp]

I just picture Avila sitting in his office staring at his phone waiting and not doing anything proactive

Lol.

 

[Rebbiv]

Here are the starters at one time rumored to be traded before the deadline:

Quality Starts since 2016

M. Bumgarner - 41 of 61 = 67.2%


Z. Greinke - 57 of 87 = 65.5%


T. Bauer - 50 of 82 = 61.0%


M. Fulmer - 28 of 49 = 57.1% (listed just to show where he would fit)



M. Stroman - 40 of 73 = 54.8%



N. Syndergaard - 28 of 52 = 53.8%


Z. Wheeler - 35 of 66 = 53.0%


T. Roark - 38 of 80 = 47.5%


M. Boyd - 36 of 78 = 46.2%


R. Ray - 32 of 75 = 42.7



M. Moore - 17 of 45 = 37.8% (listed just to show where he would fit)


T. Ross - 15 of 40 = 37.5% (listed just to show where he would fit)

D. Norris - 10 of 44 = 22.7% (listed just to show where he would fit)




MLB QS% by season:


2010 = 53.1%

2011 = 53.5%

2012 = 51.1%
2013 = 52.6%
2014 = 54.0%
2015 = 50.1%


2016 = 46.6%
2017 = 43.6%
2018 = 41.1%
2019 = 39.0%


There are two reasons it is dropping:


1. More teams are using "openers".
2. Less number of MLB starters who can pitch a QS. They are not pitching, they are throwing. High strikeout pitchers tend to throw more pitches. More pitches, mean you tend not to go late into games. There are exceptions, but generally you don't get beat by the 8th or 9th place hitter. Trying to strike them out or letting them make you throw 10 pitches before they are retired is stupid. You just let them get themselves out.

 

[kalinecountry]

https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/07/26/baseball-trade-deadline-best-players
Ranking the 10 Best Players Likely to Move by the MLB Trade Deadline. 3 Tigers here.
SportsIllustrated

 

[dale675]

I just picture Avila sitting in his office staring at his phone waiting and not doing anything proactive

Found proof

 

[tomdalton22]

Here are the starters at one time rumored to be traded before the deadline:

Quality Starts since 2016


M. Boyd - 36 of 78 = 46.2%


MLB QS% by season:


2016 = 46.6%
2017 = 43.6%
2018 = 41.1%
2019 = 39.0%

Some things that are favorable for Boyd

His QS numbers have been going in the opposite direction vs. the MLB trend.

2016 33%
2017 40%
2018 45%
2019 55%

His 55% this year is significantly higher than the MLB average.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And he's still under control for 3 years which is a big. He's cheap and you know teams dig his k to walk ratio. He has a lot of value.

 

[Rebbiv]

Some things that are favorable for Boyd

His QS numbers have been going in the opposite direction vs. the MLB trend.

2016 33%
2017 40%
2018 45%
2019 55%

His 55% this year is significantly higher than the MLB average.

30% over his last 10 starts. Which means he is regressing! :hmm:

 

[kalinecountry]

https://www.blessyouboys.com/2019/7...rs-matthew-boyd-shane-greene-nick-castellanos
Slow trade market has Tigers GM Al Avila in a tight spot with Matthew Boyd.
The Tigers? rebuild needs bats, but they can?t afford to miss with their biggest trade chip.
BYBTB

 

[gotime909]

30% over his last 10 starts. Which means he is regressing! :hmm:

Talk about cherry picking

 

[dale675]

Talk about cherry picking

I disagree. Why is everyone on the trade market questioning whether his start to the season is real or not? One could argue people are cherry picking the start to the season compared to every year since he's been up.

Just to be clear, I think he's turned the page and became a MUCH better pitcher this year. But I think for him to prove that to people he has to do it for an entire season.

 

[Rebbiv]

Talk about cherry picking

Which is what Tom was doing by isolating 1 year. 1 season of data is pointless. Sample size matters. That was what I was alluding to.

 

[dale675]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/latest-on-matthew-boyd.html

 

[tomdalton22]

Which is what Tom was doing by isolating 1 year. 1 season of data is pointless. Sample size matters. That was what I was alluding to.

I didn't isolate one year. I was showing a trend based on year to year stats. Obviously 2019 isn't over so this year may not end up at 55%...but that's where it is now.

edit.

maybe you were talking about my last comment, but the main point of the post was that he has been getting better each year.

 

[tigermud]

Dodgers ?continuing discussions? in pursuit of Tigers? Shane Greene, per report
https://www.blessyouboys.com/2019/7...ane-greene-los-angeles-dodgers-detroit-tigers

 

[kalinecountry]

https://www.mlb.com/news/five-storylines-ahead-of-trade-deadline
5 storylines to follow ahead of the Deadline.
MLB.com