Trump upset that no one in WH has asked about his "foolproof" plan to defeat ISIS

[Spartanmack]

Trump spoke about ALL Mexican immigrants being criminals. Which could be interpreted to include those who have been here for a couple of generations.

But lets not let facts get in the way of a typical con narrative, right Kev?

All? didn't he say something like "i'm sure some of them are very good people?"

I suppose, if you were so inclined you could interpret those comments any way you like - for example, say you had an agenda and wanted to make every conservative who doesn't share your views look racist so you could dismiss them offhand as evil and hateful then you could ignore the full quote and say Donald Trump thinks all Mexicans are criminals, he must be run out of town...

 

[byco42]

Thought that the RC faith included confession, penance, and forgiveness for their practicing followers, no matter how heinous the sin. Including those now deceased who were accused of committing second degree murder.

I have no idea if Ted Kennedy confessed this sin or others. If he did, great. He was still re-elected 40 years after that.

Do I believe that all Democrats are pure and innocent? Of course not. But they aren't bible-thumping faux-pious moralizing Rethug zealots who often get caught doing the very things that they bleat on and on about in statements and speeches.

So they are better scoundrels because they are not "Bible Thumpers?" And only they make contradictory statements and actions?

But since I am a former "lapsed" Catholic, I don't know if holy "redemption" has changed since the outing of hundreds of pedo-priests who were swept under the rug by being transferred from parish to parish by Bishops, Archbishops, and Cardinals. I also don't know how a God could ever forgive those who did such great harm to His little ones, including those of RC hierarchy who knew about it.

You have left the faith? That's not good.

 

[turok]

All? didn't he say something like "i'm sure some of them are very good people?"

I suppose, if you were so inclined you could interpret those comments any way you like - for example, say you had an agenda and wanted to make every conservative who doesn't share your views look racist so you could dismiss them offhand as evil and hateful then you could ignore the full quote and say Donald Trump thinks all Mexicans are criminals, he must be run out of town...

There have been criminal elements in virtually every nationality who have immigrated to the US over the decades. Most notably Sicilians. I am not running for public office, nor am I a supposed wealthy celeb who purposesly puts himself or herself in the MSM limelight every chance that he or she gets. Maybe The Donald needs a better speechwriter and/or handlers, but Trump is just too headstrong and pompous, and he will be judged in the "court of public opinion" just like everyone else of his bombastic ilk.

 

[byco42]

I think that president Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell and (Sir. Edmund Hillary) Clinton are equally headstrong and pompous. That's not a criterion for disqualification by the "court of public opinion."

 

[turok]

All? didn't he say something like "i'm sure some of them are very good people?"

Yes he did..but only in a sarcastic tone afterward. If Trump had spoke instead by saying that he believed that there were possibly many immigrants, and especially illegals who were potential criminals, then the fiscal and social backlash that resulted might not have been so great.

 

[byco42]

Yes he did..but only in a sarcastic tone afterward. If Trump had spoke instead by saying that he believed that there were possibly many immigrants, and especially illegals who were potential criminals, then the fiscal and social backlash that resulted might not have been so great.

Is not entering the country illegally a criminal act? Yes.

 

[turok]

I have no idea if Ted Kennedy confessed this sin or others. If he did, great. He was still re-elected 40 years after that.

I know how horrific that the disease of alcoholism is up close and personal.



So they are better scoundrels because they are not "Bible Thumpers?" And only they make contradictory statements and actions?

Link me to one current Dem who has used their religious faith as a virtual bludgeon on those conservatives who also comprise US of the "great unwashed"?



You have left the faith? That's not good.

I am agnostic, b/c I no longer believe that ONLY we mortal humans are/were created in God's image, nor do I any longer believe that the Messiah was His only begotten Son. RCs were not strictly taught through the teachings and passages of the Bible in religion classes during parochial school.

 

[Spartanmack]

There have been criminal elements in virtually every nationality who have immigrated to the US over the decades. Most notably Sicilians. I am not running for public office, nor am I a supposed wealthy celeb who purposesly puts himself or herself in the MSM limelight every chance that he or she gets. Maybe The Donald needs a better speechwriter and/or handlers, but Trump is just too headstrong and pompous, and he will be judged in the "court of public opinion" just like everyone else of his bombastic ilk.

Well, we didn't ignore the criminal elements of other ethnic groups or pretend they didn't exist, did we? And of course, many of those people came here legally. For what it's worth, most Italians I know are more upset at the criminals for the damage they've done to the reputation of Italians than they are those who point out the fact that Italians control a lot of organized crime syndicates. Now it seems, the mere acknowledgement of the problem is a bigger crime than the crimes committed by illegals. You can't even mention it without being shouted down as a racist xenophobe. And worse, we're not only not deporting illegal alien's who commit felonies - we're often releasing them here in the US to commit more crimes. The majority of the cocaine in this country comes in through Mexico. Crime among illegal immigrants is a problem in this country. Recognizing that doesn't make someone a racist.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Is not entering the country illegally a criminal act? Yes.

Lots of people have been talking about border enforcement for a long time; a wall or barrier has been talked about for years; as far as that goes Trump hasn't said anything new.

Everybody knows that powerful entities on both sides of the political spectrum have an interest in keeping the borders loose.

Big government advocates want the votes; big business wants the cheap labor.

Trump is very soon gonna implode; it's being speculated now that soon some of "his" buildings that he doesn't actually really own but just gets paid a licensing fee for his name are going to start dropping that.

This all is kind of entertaining though; the virtual entirety of television has suddenly become one great big giant The Apprentice.

 

[Spartanmack]

Yes he did..but only in a sarcastic tone afterward. If Trump had spoke instead by saying that he believed that there were possibly many immigrants, and especially illegals who were potential criminals, then the fiscal and social backlash that resulted might not have been so great.

Nonsense. The media is waiting for any sound byte by any conservative that they can interpret to make them sound racist so they can drum up all the outrage from their loyal followers. Unless he said he was for immigration reform so long as that reform was an open door for any and all, anything he said was going to generate this same reaction - Racist! we must publicly shame, boycott, divest and sanction Trump!!!! It obviously worked on some folks here on this board.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Nonsense. The media is waiting for any sound byte by any conservative that they can interpret to make them sound racist so they can drum up all the outrage from their loyal followers.

I don't know.

From what I'm seeing/hearing, it doesn't look to me like the media is covering Trump's candidacy as that of a legitimate conservative politician.

Generally, it seems to me to be being covered like the freak show that it is.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Everybody knows that powerful entities on both sides of the political spectrum have an interest in keeping the borders loose.

Big government advocates want the votes; big business wants the cheap labor.

From Conservative Byte

It’s not that we’re not smart enough to understand what’s going on. We know full well what’s going on. Republicans and Democrats both want open borders for their own political and financial reasons, and in order to get what they want, they’re going to have to somehow convince us that they mean to do something they have no intention of doing, and that is securing the border.

 

[turok]

Is not entering the country illegally a criminal act? Yes.

Yes and isn't that what the word "illegal" means? But I was posting about committing crimes once across our borders. Are those who employ these illegals also committing criminal acts?

 

[turok]

Nonsense. The media is waiting for any sound byte by any conservative that they can interpret to make them sound racist so they can drum up all the outrage from their loyal followers. Unless he said he was for immigration reform so long as that reform was an open door for any and all, anything he said was going to generate this same reaction - Racist! we must publicly shame, boycott, divest and sanction Trump!!!! It obviously worked on some folks here on this board.

b/c the MSM aired his hate speech verbatim, that means that they were waiting to pounce on and denounce Trump? If they did, I think that it wasn't really necessary, since they could have let it stand all on its own, and got about the same reactions from the public at large.

 

[byco42]

Yes but I was posting about committing crimes once across our borders. Are those who employ these illegals also committing criminal acts?

Yes.

 

[Spartanmack]

I don't know.

From what I'm seeing/hearing, it doesn't look to me like the media is covering Trump's candidacy as that of a legitimate conservative politician.

Generally, it seems to me to be being covered like the freak show that it is.

That may be true in this particular instance but I think the tactic applies to all conservative candidates - probably moreso to real contenders.

 

[Spartanmack]

b/c the MSM aired his hate speech verbatim, that means that they were waiting to pounce on and denounce Trump? If they did, I think that it wasn't really necessary, since they could have let it stand all on its own, and got about the same reactions from the public at large.

verbatim, with a little editorializing to boot. Headlines, lead-ins and commentary all pointed out how racist his comments were. I prefer to decide for myself - I don't find the comments to be nearly the incendiary or the sweeping generalization of all Mexicans that the popular media would have me think they were.

 

[tinselwolverine]

That may be true in this particular instance but I think the tactic applies to all conservative candidates - probably moreso to real contenders.

Real contenders won't make the rookie mistakes Trump has been making.

As for any of them seriously, actually addressing border enforcement? Like the article I linked to from that conservative blog in post #52 states, the whole thing is just slight of hand bipartisan kabuki show.

 

[turok]

There are now 15 Republican presidential primary candidates vs a few who are Democratic. Obviously they all want face time in the MSM and Fox News to be seen & heard with the hopes of increasing their chances of winning their respective party's nomination.

Maybe some feel that being MUCH more boldly controversial will result in more exposure and attention, but doing that sure has shown its drawbacks recently.

 

[biggunsbob]

He told the truth about all the crime we're importing from Mexico and Central America which is insulting to not only the criminals but to the media and their little pets like Luis Gutierrez who like to pretend that every illegal alien is a really nice person who only wants to live the American Dream, work hard and pay taxes.

I wish Trump wasn't so unlikable because all this false outrage makes me wish I could support him just to piss off all these whiny libs. Sadly, he's such a douche that I can't do it. I'll just have to find other ways to get them to fly off the handle in a fit of false or misdirected outrage. Shouldn't be too hard.

Racism accusations coming in 3...2...1...

Least you know he is a douche bag... But damn you are one angry person..