We have Nazis here too. Esp. in Indiana. Not a reason Russia should invade us.
What logical fallacy does your argument come under?
False equivalency? You can't compare the Nazis in Mariupol/Ukraine to the dumbfucks in rural America. The former are battle-tested in combat, and armed & funded by big dollars and given military hardware, including by the US government, for the specific purpose of fighting Russia.
The Nazis in Indiana drag our own country down. Their existence is - if anything - in Russia's interest.
Thanks to the nukes, we can't fight the bear. The bear has to change on its own. Cutting them off economically and supporting whoever they blame their hardships on is pretty much the most we can do. Could split the world into 2 halves, 2 banking systems, two internets, maybe even a renewable-vs-fossil split if it carries on for decades. Hope not. But we can't fight and shouldn't appease, so poking the bear is all we've got. Makes China pretty important.
Having read all the evidence - including Op Eds written by our own intelligence agency officers and former State Dept. heads - that we KNEW Ukraine was a Russian satellite and trying to flip it into our camp & NATO was crossing a line with Russia. Hell, there's a clip now widely shared on twitter of Biden in 1997 saying this very thing in a speech.
So how are we appeasing them by not crossing a line here?
I think if you compared their argument, that by not invading Ukraine immediately in 2014, and by allowing Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria, etc. into NATO,
they were appeasing us... I'd find their argument a lot more persuasive just by glancing at a map.
I can't understand how you honestly still believe this sort of "shining beacon on a hill" bullshit, that by siding with the US, Ukraine would be better off. Prior to 2006... maybe? Hell, even prior to 2016 or so in Ukraine's specific case, I'd still agree. Now? Not at all, and in fact, I can't think of a single good foreign policy move we've done since Obama negotiated a nuclear deal with Iran, that we - of course - unilaterally reneged on, showing the world you can't trust us at all.
And I'm telling you, now in hindsight, after we "neoliberalized" them in 2014/2015 things got worse for the vast majority of Ukrainians. So there really shouldn't be any argument on this.
The only ones who benefitted in any way were ones that knew how to play the game and get Western/NGO or US government money... or Americans who knew how to exploit those getting handouts from western governments, kinda like our President's son.
