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[Spartanmack]

I entered 113 instead of 103 for carries. My bad(see I can admit when I'm wrong) yeah 3.7 is soooooo much better

it is, but it's also misleading as I pointed out and you chose to ignore because while you can admit when you make a mistake, you can't admit when you're wrong.

 

[gotime909]

it is, but it's also misleading as I pointed out and you chose to ignore because while you can admit when you make a mistake, you can't admit when you're wrong.

Tell you what, if one other poster honedtly says Heyward was a beast last year I'll admit I'm wrong. Im not even worried in the slightest. Bet I can find plenty of posters that agree with me

 

[Spartanmack]

Backpedaling from what? That I made a comment about him underthrowing a 44 yard pass to a wr that came back and made a great catch? Sorry guy, that was actually what happened on that play.

No, it wasn't what happened - that was not a great catch or a bad throw. But that's not what I'm talking about. Here are some examples:

From the ASU game, you said:

Between bad offensive coaching, shitty kicking and shitty qb we deserved to lose that game.

Then you piled on with this:

This would sting more if I felt we had a great team. With Lewerke at QB well never win the big ten and these offensive coaches need to finally be replaced. Time to bring in an outsider to run the offense.

sidenote: he's a senior and we're not likely to win the B1G but it won't be because of Lewerke - anyone who isn't blind can see that.

then you added this:

Lewerke is fine if he has his first read open. He's got a poor deep ball and should NEVER run read option. I just question his quarterback IQ. Seems like he misses seeing open guys often. He's certainly not the reason we lost, I'd just like to see him make the plays to be the reason we win a la Cook.

well, he did put us in position to tie and possibly win the game. The coaches and kicker blew the end of that one.

Then after others chimed in, you backpedaled with this:

...Listen I'm not staying he's horrible. He's just meh for a 3rd year starter.

True, you didn't say horrible, you said he was shitty.

Then you were back to it for the Northwestern game the following week

I'm so over Lewerke as our QB. Even with this great run game he can't make a pass play

then in this thread you go crazy over a couple bad throws because you can't let it go and admit you're wrong about him.

Is it time to bring in Lombardi?

 

[gotime909]

Since I had a minute I quick looked up those games that Heyward got 10+ carries last year.


Team- carries/yards/average

Indiana- 12/21/1.9. Gave up 4.6 per rush on season

CMU- 15/48/3.2. 4.4 season

Nebraska- 21/80/3.8. 5.0 season

Rutgers- 19/81/4.3. 5.3 season


Those are the individual games minus said Maryland fluke. This just keeps getting worse for your stance

 

[Spartanmack]

Tell you what, if one other poster honedtly says Heyward was a beast last year I'll admit I'm wrong. Im not even worried in the slightest. Bet I can find plenty of posters that agree with me

Facts don't rely on subjective affirmation. I don't need a consensus when it's right there in the stats. The guy was underutilized last year and was a beast when given enough of the right carries - 15+ per game and none of this sweep left and sweep right crap, power running between the tackles. I blame the coaching staff for sticking w/ LJ Scott for him not having a more complete season.

This year, I think he was run outside too much again but more importantly, he can't hold on to the football. I also said Collins was better and he should be the primary guy and the staff should stick with him. I said all that way before you tried to make me out to be a Heyward fan boy. But you can't admit you're wrong about that or about Lewerke so you won't let go of this nonsense about Heyward.

 

[gotime909]

No, it wasn't what happened - that was not a great catch or a bad throw. But that's not what I'm talking about. Here are some examples:

From the ASU game, you said:



Then you piled on with this:



sidenote: he's a senior and we're not likely to win the B1G but it won't be because of Lewerke - anyone who isn't blind can see that.

then you added this:



well, he did put us in position to tie and possibly win the game. The coaches and kicker blew the end of that one.

Then after others chimed in, you backpedaled with this:



True, you didn't say horrible, you said he was shitty.

Then you were back to it for the Northwestern game the following week



then in this thread you go crazy over a couple bad throws because you can't let it go and admit you're wrong about him.

Is it time to bring in Lombardi?

I stand by all those opinion posts. He is what he is. A qb with talent that has too many accuracy issues to be elite.

 

[gotime909]

This thread should have been locked when you said Joe Bachie has dissapeared this year a week after he won defensive player of the week

 

[Spartanmack]

I stand by all those opinion posts. He is what he is. A qb with talent that has too many accuracy issues to be elite.

you stand by all the flip flopping - excellent.

 

[Spartanmack]

Since I had a minute I quick looked up those games that Heyward got 10+ carries last year.


Team- carries/yards/average

Indiana- 12/21/1.9. Gave up 4.6 per rush on season

CMU- 15/48/3.2. 4.4 season

Nebraska- 21/80/3.8. 5.0 season

Rutgers- 19/81/4.3. 5.3 season


Those are the individual games minus said Maryland fluke. This just keeps getting worse for your stance

do you not realize that even those are low totals - 12 carries in 2 of those games. And he was running behind one of the worst 0-lines of mostly 3rd stringers and ZERO passing game. What do you expect? And why take out the MD game? If you take out the 80 yd "meaningless" TD that put the game away for us, he still had 5.5 yards per carry. Even if you do take it out he's still averaging 4 yds per carry with either an injured Lewerke or inept Rocky Lombardi at QB, a decimated o-line and equally decimated receiving corps.

 

[Spartanmack]

This thread should have been locked when you said Joe Bachie has dissapeared this year a week after he won defensive player of the week

wow, 14 tackles against NW, 2x his average every other week. My bad, give him the Butkus award. At least I didn't say one of the top 3 QBs in the B1G was "shitty" and then backpedal and say I didn't say he was horrible but he can't make plays to win games, in the very thread where he made the plays to put the team in position to do just that, then did it again 2 weeks later while you were shitting on him again.

 

[gotime909]

I'm not even gonna lie. I know damn well that I'm over critical of Lewerke. I also know that it's got the best of me several times. There's no denying that he has ability. My biggest frustration with him has always been his consistency. The handful of unforced wtf throws that seem the be on 3rd down or key moments that keep us from putting teams away just keep happening and I just wanna see our 3rd year starter cut those down. I've also said many times that he's our best current option. I'm hoping Lombardi gets passed by Day or Thorne next year. I saw nothing from him last year that excites me about his future.

 

[Spartanmack]

that's my whole point - Lewerke criticism is excessive. I don't think he stands out among the coaches or receivers when it comes to momentum killing mistakes. He's not elite but he's easily top 3 in the B1G and by far the best option we have. And twice he's made the plays to put us in position to win close games - the coaches and kicker boned up one and the coaches did their best to almost blow the last one. I would have liked to see them save the timeout and try to punch it in or just take another knee then call timeout with 1 or 2 seconds left and kick the FG to end the game. Seems elementary but for some reason they wanted to give IU a fighting chance.

If we had competent coaching staff I'd say there's no way Lombardi gets the start next year but I could easily see them overweighting his horrible and stale game experience from '18 vs hopefully and presumably better talent of Day or Thorne.