What other B1G teams lose

[greenandwhite95]

Basically, I could hold a qb camp and name it "Elite QB camp." That doesn't necessarily make it elite.

Well, I think I would hold more merit to one of these camps run by experts rather than Hungrys Elite QB camp, but whatever you want to believe, go ahead. Might as well throw recruit rankings out the window too. What do those guys know, even if it is their job. I bet I can evaluate talent just a good as them.

 

[hungry]

Basically, I could hold a qb camp and name it "Elite QB camp." That doesn't necessarily make it elite.

Well, I think I would hold more merit to one of these camps run by experts rather than Hungrys Elite QB camp, but whatever you want to believe, go ahead. Might as well throw recruit rankings out the window too. What do those guys know, even if it is their job. I bet I can evaluate talent just a good as them.

How do you know experts run the camp?

I was just pointing out that while the elite 11 camp is nice, it shouldn't be a given that someone who went there is one of the top 11 qb's of that hs year. I'm not even necessarily talking about Maxwell, even though you're taking it personally. I am just saying, in general. Some of the top qb's that are invited, turn down the camp invite, and that invite falls down to some other QB's...sometimes.

Don't get all hurt now.

 

[greenandwhite95]

Well, I think I would hold more merit to one of these camps run by experts rather than Hungrys Elite QB camp, but whatever you want to believe, go ahead. Might as well throw recruit rankings out the window too. What do those guys know, even if it is their job. I bet I can evaluate talent just a good as them.

How do you know experts run the camp?

I was just pointing out that while 11 camp is nice, it shouldn't be a given that someone who went there is one of the top 11 qb's of that hs year. I'm not even necessarily talking about Maxwell, even though you're taking it personally. I am just saying, in general. Some of the top qb's that are invited, turn down the camp invite, and that invite falls down to some other QB's...sometimes.

Don't get all hurt now.

Are you Kidding me ? WHo do you think runs these camps, armchair QB's ? All I'm saying is not just any scrub can get an invite to this camp, and all you had to say was " it doesn't mean the best " and " I can hold a QB camp and call it ELITE QB " so what are you saying thats NICE about this camp ? Al I see is you finding something to belittle about MSU, because thats what you do. I'm not taking this personal, since this was your only response to my detailed input about your topic, it's obvious you just want to argue. Don't be such a DB.

 

[hungry]

How do you know experts run the camp?

I was just pointing out that while 11 camp is nice, it shouldn't be a given that someone who went there is one of the top 11 qb's of that hs year. I'm not even necessarily talking about Maxwell, even though you're taking it personally. I am just saying, in general. Some of the top qb's that are invited, turn down the camp invite, and that invite falls down to some other QB's...sometimes.

Don't get all hurt now.

Are you Kidding me ? WHo do you think runs these camps, armchair QB's ? All I'm saying is not just any scrub can get an invite to this camp, and all you had to say was " it doesn't mean the best " and " I can hold a QB camp and call it ELITE QB " so what are you saying thats NICE about this camp ? Al I see is you finding something to belittle about MSU, because thats what you do. I'm not taking this personal, since this was your only response to my detailed input about your topic, it's obvious you just want to argue. Don't be such a DB.

I didnt say anything negative about MSU. I even went out of my way to point out that I wasn't necessarily talking about MSU or Maxwell. You did see that, didn't you? You're the one being a DB here, not me. All I said is that some people think that the elite 11 QB camp is for the top 11 QB's of a particular year and that isn't necessarily true. I went on to point out that Maxwell might very well have been one of the top 11 QB's of that class and that I didn't really know. I was making a comment about the camp. That is all. The rest you took personally, because you doubt your QB, not me. I just wanted to put in there that sometimes some top QB's turn down their invitation to that camp and that means that some lesser QB's get to attend, so having a QB that attended the elite 11 QB camp doesn't necessarily mean that he's a top QB. Maxwell might've been. I don't know.

I really have no idea who holds the elite 11 QB camp. It sounded like you have done extensive research on it. i haven't. Its not like its the under armor AA game or the army AA game or something. Its just some camp for QB's.

If you want to put merit into it, then be my guest. I just don't really believe that being invited to the elite 11 qb camp is that big of a deal. I have a right to have this opinion. You make it sound like Scout or Rivals is running the camp and I don't think they are.

 

[Monster]

Well, I think I would hold more merit to one of these camps run by experts rather than Hungrys Elite QB camp, but whatever you want to believe, go ahead. Might as well throw recruit rankings out the window too. What do those guys know, even if it is their job. I bet I can evaluate talent just a good as them.

How do you know experts run the camp?

I was just pointing out that while the elite 11 camp is nice, it shouldn't be a given that someone who went there is one of the top 11 qb's of that hs year. I'm not even necessarily talking about Maxwell, even though you're taking it personally. I am just saying, in general. Some of the top qb's that are invited, turn down the camp invite, and that invite falls down to some other QB's...sometimes.

Don't get all hurt now.

here is a list of QBs that attended from 99 to 08....

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/2008-07-29-elite11-chart_N.htm

just off the top of my head it seems like 3 or 4 every year end up doing something in college. That said, it does seem like it's not a great barometer of talent.

But then again, he could be one of the 3 or 4.

 

[hungry]

Monster [/color]]

How do you know experts run the camp?

I was just pointing out that while the elite 11 camp is nice, it shouldn't be a given that someone who went there is one of the top 11 qb's of that hs year. I'm not even necessarily talking about Maxwell, even though you're taking it personally. I am just saying, in general. Some of the top qb's that are invited, turn down the camp invite, and that invite falls down to some other QB's...sometimes.

Don't get all hurt now.

here is a list of QBs that attended from 99 to 08....

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/2008-07-29-elite11-chart_N.htm

just off the top of my head it seems like 3 or 4 every year end up doing something in college. That said, it does seem like it's not a great barometer of talent.

But then again, he could be one of the 3 or 4.

Come on, Monster. Don't be such a DB.

 

[Monster]

Monster [/color]]

here is a list of QBs that attended from 99 to 08....

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/2008-07-29-elite11-chart_N.htm

just off the top of my head it seems like 3 or 4 every year end up doing something in college. That said, it does seem like it's not a great barometer of talent.

But then again, he could be one of the 3 or 4.

Come on, Monster. Don't be such a DB.

DB is my middle name.

 

[greenandwhite95]

Are you Kidding me ? WHo do you think runs these camps, armchair QB's ? All I'm saying is not just any scrub can get an invite to this camp, and all you had to say was " it doesn't mean the best " and " I can hold a QB camp and call it ELITE QB " so what are you saying thats NICE about this camp ? Al I see is you finding something to belittle about MSU, because thats what you do. I'm not taking this personal, since this was your only response to my detailed input about your topic, it's obvious you just want to argue. Don't be such a DB.

I didnt say anything negative about MSU. I even went out of my way to point out that I wasn't necessarily talking about MSU or Maxwell. You did see that, didn't you? You're the one being a DB here, not me. All I said is that some people think that the elite 11 QB camp is for the top 11 QB's of a particular year and that isn't necessarily true. I went on to point out that Maxwell might very well have been one of the top 11 QB's of that class and that I didn't really know. I was making a comment about the camp. That is all. The rest you took personally, because you doubt your QB, not me. I just wanted to put in there that sometimes some top QB's turn down their invitation to that camp and that means that some lesser QB's get to attend, so having a QB that attended the elite 11 QB camp doesn't necessarily mean that he's a top QB. Maxwell might've been. I don't know.

I really have no idea who holds the elite 11 QB camp. It sounded like you have done extensive research on it. i haven't. Its not like its the under armor AA game or the army AA game or something. Its just some camp for QB's.

If you want to put merit into it, then be my guest. I just don't really believe that being invited to the elite 11 qb camp is that big of a deal. I have a right to have this opinion. You make it sound like Scout or Rivals is running the camp and I don't think they are.

Don't put words in my mouth. When did I ever doubt our QB ? I do believe I said I'm glad we have him and am glad we recruited another last year. I didn't start this dude. You could have just discussed my opinions about op, but you went another direction for your own purpose. I'm guilty, hook line and sinker. I took the bait and got into a meaningless arguement with you over something that really doesn't matter. Let's just see what happens with him next year.

 

[greenandwhite95]

Monster [/color]]

How do you know experts run the camp?

I was just pointing out that while the elite 11 camp is nice, it shouldn't be a given that someone who went there is one of the top 11 qb's of that hs year. I'm not even necessarily talking about Maxwell, even though you're taking it personally. I am just saying, in general. Some of the top qb's that are invited, turn down the camp invite, and that invite falls down to some other QB's...sometimes.

Don't get all hurt now.

here is a list of QBs that attended from 99 to 08....

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/2008-07-29-elite11-chart_N.htm

just off the top of my head it seems like 3 or 4 every year end up doing something in college. That said, it does seem like it's not a great barometer of talent.

But then again, he could be one of the 3 or 4.

Looked like some pretty impressive names on that list. I would say it was a pretty good Barometer of talent. Looking at those odds, I would say its about 50/50 on who does good and who doesn't. I'm glad that we got two of them

 

[hungry]

I didnt say anything negative about MSU. I even went out of my way to point out that I wasn't necessarily talking about MSU or Maxwell. You did see that, didn't you? You're the one being a DB here, not me. All I said is that some people think that the elite 11 QB camp is for the top 11 QB's of a particular year and that isn't necessarily true. I went on to point out that Maxwell might very well have been one of the top 11 QB's of that class and that I didn't really know. I was making a comment about the camp. That is all. The rest you took personally, because you doubt your QB, not me. I just wanted to put in there that sometimes some top QB's turn down their invitation to that camp and that means that some lesser QB's get to attend, so having a QB that attended the elite 11 QB camp doesn't necessarily mean that he's a top QB. Maxwell might've been. I don't know.

I really have no idea who holds the elite 11 QB camp. It sounded like you have done extensive research on it. i haven't. Its not like its the under armor AA game or the army AA game or something. Its just some camp for QB's.

If you want to put merit into it, then be my guest. I just don't really believe that being invited to the elite 11 qb camp is that big of a deal. I have a right to have this opinion. You make it sound like Scout or Rivals is running the camp and I don't think they are.

Don't put words in my mouth. When did I ever doubt our QB ? I do believe I said I'm glad we have him and am glad we recruited another last year. I didn't start this dude. You could have just discussed my opinions about op, but you went another direction for your own purpose. I'm guilty, hook line and sinker. I took the bait and got into a meaningless arguement with you over something that really doesn't matter. Let's just see what happens with him next year.

Its psychology 101. I made a general statement about the elite 11 QB camp. You assumed that I was taking a shot at Maxwell. You do this because of thoughts in your own head.

 

[johnny2x2x]

Our defense is losing a couple DTs and Robinson, that's it. If Worthy comes back our D line will be better for sure, if not they might still be, our LBs will be better. I expect our DBs to be better. Flat out, no matter how you slice it our defense at least on paper will be better next year.

O line should be better, RBs are back. Sims is a talent and could really be a force at TE. It all comes down to WR and QB. Maxwell has a better arm than Cousins, but he needs experience. We need him to be a game manager, Bennie Fowler was supposed to have a bigger role this year and he's plenty fast, but he was hurt basically the whole season. His development will be key as will Juwan Caesar's who they were able to red shirt this year. Coaches are high on Caesar and he's a tall possession receiver at 6-4. Burbridge will probably redshirt unless he really dazzles. Keith Mumphrey looks like he could be a starter next year too.

All in all this team will be right there next year again. Unless Maxwell is totally awful they should compete for a Big Ten Title again next year behind a tough defense and probably a much better running game. It's a tough tough schedule again, but 2013 brings a scheduling break so to speak, dropping OSU and Wisky and adding Purdue and Illinois I think.

Should be 2 good teams in this State again next year.

 

[greenandwhite95]

Don't put words in my mouth. When did I ever doubt our QB ? I do believe I said I'm glad we have him and am glad we recruited another last year. I didn't start this dude. You could have just discussed my opinions about op, but you went another direction for your own purpose. I'm guilty, hook line and sinker. I took the bait and got into a meaningless arguement with you over something that really doesn't matter. Let's just see what happens with him next year.

Its psychology 101. I made a general statement about the elite 11 QB camp. You assumed that I was taking a shot at Maxwell. You do this because of thoughts in your own head.

Don't play the Psych shit with me Hungry. I know what you're all about. I Probably took the same CRJ courses as you. Did the same job for 12. You just hate MSU SO much you take any stab you can. It's obvious, and sad. I can at least give credit when credit is due, you, no.

 

[hungry]

Its psychology 101. I made a general statement about the elite 11 QB camp. You assumed that I was taking a shot at Maxwell. You do this because of thoughts in your own head.

Don't play the Psych shit with me Hungry. I know what you're all about. I Probably took the same CRJ courses as you. Did the same job for 12. You just hate MSU SO much you take any stab you can. It's obvious, and sad. I can at least give credit when credit is due, you, no.

Sounds like you're very defensive. I do have a psychology degree from MSU, so I think I know what I'm talking about there. You're not me.

 

[Monster]

LOL


hilarious. I didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the world's been turning.

 

[johnny2x2x]

MSU Depth Chart next year. (* returning starter) (** returning 2010 starter)

Offense

WR Bennie Fowler, Aaron Burbridge
WR Tony Lippett, Keith Mumphrey, Juwan Caesar
TE Deon Sims
T * Dan France
G * Chris McDonald
C * Travis Jackson, Ethan Ruhland
G * Fou Fonontu
T Jared McGaha (was starter in game 1), Skyler Burkland
QB Andrew Maxwell, Conner Cook
FB * Todd Anderson
RB * Leveon Bell * Edwin Baker, Larry Caper, Nick Hill
K * Dan Conroy
(KR Nick Hill and Bennie Fowler will split the return duties)

Defense

DE * William Gholston, Denzel Drone
DT * Jerel Worthy, ** Tyler Hoover (Probably moves inside)
DT ** Blake Treadwell, Anthony Rashad White, Antonio Jeremiah
DE * Marcus Rush, Lawrence Thomas
LB * Chris Norman, Tyquan Hammock (started when Norman was hurt)
LB * Max Bullough, Jeremy Gainer
LB * Denico Allen, Taiwan Jones
CB * Johnny Adams, Mylan Hicks
CB * Darqueze Denard, Jeremy Langford
S * Isaiah Lewis
S Jarius Jones (started a few games this year)
P * Mike Sadler

Technically it isn't 10 of 11 unless you count Treadwell who was our starter in 2010, then it is 10 of 11. Officially 9 of 11 right now.

Jerel right now is probably 60-40 leaving, but there's a lot of depth on our roster at DT. Hoover could move over, he's too good to keep off the field. With Hoover and Treadwell being 2010 starters along the D line, this group should actually be deeper than 2011. Lippett is a great athlete and they've told him he's a full time WR this coming spring. Fowler was taking snaps from Martin at times last season. Still, WR is a major concern, Martin was a play maker, but lets not forget he was basically hurt 50% of the time. Cunningham was a safety valve and a good possession receiver and there is no replacing him. Dion Sims has the talent to be a 1st round pick, but he just needs to put it to use on the field. We'll still have enough weapons on offense but it will come down to the development of Maxwell, if he is average and a game manager, we can compete for a B1G title, if he is god awful it will be an average season, if somehow he plays up to his ability the sky is the limit for this team.

We were able to Redshirt 20 freshman this year, not sure how many true freshmen even played so there is plenty of depth next season. We especially have a roster full of 300+ lb kids along the D line. As a Spartan fan we've had some good teams in the past, but it was always just a year or so because of little depth. We'd have a hand full of great players and a few supporting guys, but when they left there were no replacements. This team is different now, we had a lot of injuries this year and had the depth to not miss a beat. What I like is that we're returning so many good players on both lines, the games are won in the trenches and those should be our strengths next year.

I like the team Michigan is bringing back next year too. Going to really miss Martin, Vandenberg and Molk (trenches), but it should still be a good team and I expect Michigan to contend again this year. Not sure what Nebraska is bringing back and I'm glad Russell Wilson is only playing the 1 year at Wisky.

 

[hungry]

Thanks for the informative, nondefensive response Johnny. I didn't start this thread to attack anyone

That being said, i think you're overestimating Dion Sims. He could be good, but I haven't ever seen this "1st round" talent that you're talking about. I don't know how many TE's go in the first round these days.

 

[johnny2x2x]

Thanks for the informative, nondefensive response Johnny. I didn't start this thread to attack anyone

That being said, i think you're overestimating Dion Sims. He could be good, but I haven't ever seen this "1st round" talent that you're talking about. I don't know how many TE's go in the first round these days.

Sims is 6-5 265 lbs and has run as low 4.57 40 and backed it up with a 4.61, in high school he was measured at a 33" vertical leap. He's an athletic freak but he needs to show consistency, but the talent is out of this world if he applies it.

 

[hungry]

Thanks for the informative, nondefensive response Johnny. I didn't start this thread to attack anyone

That being said, i think you're overestimating Dion Sims. He could be good, but I haven't ever seen this "1st round" talent that you're talking about. I don't know how many TE's go in the first round these days.

Sims is 6-5 265 lbs and has run as low 4.57 40 and backed it up with a 4.61, in high school he was measured at a 33" vertical leap. He's an athletic freak but he needs to show consistency, but the talent is out of this world if he applies it.

Right. He is big and fast, but I don't know that he can run a route or catch a football. I am not saying that he can't, just that I haven't seen him do it. You'd have to be pretty damn good to be a first round TE.

 

[johnny2x2x]

Sims is 6-5 265 lbs and has run as low 4.57 40 and backed it up with a 4.61, in high school he was measured at a 33" vertical leap. He's an athletic freak but he needs to show consistency, but the talent is out of this world if he applies it.

Right. He is big and fast, but I don't know that he can run a route or catch a football. I am not saying that he can't, just that I haven't seen him do it. You'd have to be pretty damn good to be a first round TE.

He's got great hands, I mean really great. In Spring ball he caught everything thrown near him and was the best player on the field at times. He makes the spectacular catches sometimes, but he drops the easy ones. He needs to learn his position better and be better in his blocking technique.

I mean if you have a young QB taking over there are 3 things you really want, a good O line, good RBs, and a good TE to dump it to. I think Maxwell will have all 3 and that gives him the best chance to excel. I know Dantonio is really high on Maxwell and thinks he could have successfully lead the team had Cousins gone down this year, but I haven't see it yet so we'll see. I do know he has a better arm than Cousins and throws a tighter spiral, but that's just a small part of playing QB.

This program has the looks of a good team built to last. Losing Narduzzi could be tough, but that's what happens to good programs, people want your assistants. Michigan is back quickly too and I look for the Legends division to be decided on Michigan soil again in 2012.

 

[johnny2x2x]

For Ohio:
RB 1 Herron, Dan
OL 75 Adams, Mike
QB 14 Bauserman, Joe
C 50 Brewster, Michael
RB 35 DeLande, BoB
WR 87 Roark, Chris
WR 8 Posey, DeVierD
TE 48 Smith, Spencer
OL 76 Shugarts, J.B.

DL 68 Blankenship, Evan
DB 8 Allen, Dionte
LB 48 Bain, Dan
DB 20 Oliver, Nate
LB 26 Moeller, Tyler
DB 37 Maxwell, Chris
LB 41 Jackson, Tony
DL 95 Matheney, Don
DE 98 Thomas, SolomonS
LB 42 Sweat, Andrew
DL 43 Williams, Nathan

For Nebraska:

WR 84 Kinnie, Brandon
IB 28 Jones, Austin
OL 78 Jones, Marcel
WR 11 Gilleylen, Curenski
OL 50 Hardrick, Jermarcus
OL 58 Caputo, Mike
OL 75 Lingenfelter, Luke
FB 48 Legate, Tyler
FB 35 Martin, Jay

LB 36 May, Mathew
S 8 Cassidy, Austin
CB 14 Blue, Anthony
DT 94 Crick, Jared
LB 4 David, Lavonte
CB 15 Dennard, Alfonzo
S 32 Ebke, Jim
CB 32 Mendoza, Marcus
DT 90 Moore, Terrence
DE 37 Thomsen, KevinK
DB 23 Thorell, Lance