Who should be the #1 target?

[batcave76]

Of the 8 teams that made the playoffs, only Tex and NY had solid lineups, 1-8,9. All everything Nick Punto plays 2nd for the WS bound Cards for shit sake. The Brewers line up had holes galore. Arizonia had holes, Rays had holes. Most teams will never come close to having a solid lineup top to bottom.

 

[mhughes0021]

Of the 8 teams that made the playoffs, only Tex and NY had solid lineups, 1-8,9. All everything Nick Punto plays 2nd for the WS bound Cards for shit sake. The Brewers line up had holes galore. Arizonia had holes, Rays had holes. Most teams will never come close to having a solid lineup top to bottom.

which is why texas is in the world series and why NYY smoked us on runs but lost the series cause we squeeked out 3 wins....whats your point? You need to either outscore teams with your offense or shut down other teams lineups with your pitching. We did neither this post season. Our starting pitching did well....but not enough to win the ALCS. We need to either add another arm or our offense needs to get better. The offense was horrid in both series. The bullpens of the yankees and texas were light years better than ours. Sooooo....if your only edge is starting pitching but you chose not to use your aces on short rest...then you go home.

 

[batcave76]

Of the 8 teams that made the playoffs, only Tex and NY had solid lineups, 1-8,9. All everything Nick Punto plays 2nd for the WS bound Cards for shit sake. The Brewers line up had holes galore. Arizonia had holes, Rays had holes. Most teams will never come close to having a solid lineup top to bottom.

which is why texas is in the world series and why NYY smoked us on runs but lost the series cause we squeeked out 3 wins....whats your point? You need to either outscore teams with your offense or shut down other teams lineups with your pitching. We did neither this post season. Our starting pitching did well....but not enough to win the ALCS. We need to either add another arm or our offense needs to get better. The offense was horrid in both series. The bullpens of the yankees and texas were light years better than ours. Sooooo....if your only edge is starting pitching but you chose not to use your aces on short rest...then you go home.

A team can make the playoffs w/o having all stars at every pos. I thought the point was obvious. Should I talk slower?

 

[kalinecountry]

I didn't vote; not to say I wouldn't want Sabathia for 6 years and his 23M per. I just can't see him moving from the yankees

This team needs more Speed and OBP at leadoff and maybe the 2 spot.
Even though Jackson has speed, he doesn't have leadoff batter tendencies for now.
Just throwing this out here,
Try and trade for Brett Gardner for leftfield and Ben Zobrist for 2nd base.
See what's up with RP Brandon McCarthy who seems on surface similar to Fister.

 

[tomdalton22]

KalineCountry[/color]]I didn't vote; not to say I wouldn't want Sabathia for 6 years and his 23M per. I just can't see him moving from the yankees

This team needs more Speed and OBP at leadoff and maybe the 2 spot.
Even though Jackson has speed, he doesn't have leadoff batter tendencies for now.
Just throwing this out here,
Try and trade for Brett Gardner for leftfield and Ben Zobrist for 2nd base.
See what's up with RP Brandon McCarthy who seems on surface similar to Fister.

I would NOT want CC for 6 years at $23 million per year.

 

[kalinecountry]

KalineCountry[/color]]I didn't vote; not to say I wouldn't want Sabathia for 6 years and his 23M per. I just can't see him moving from the yankees

This team needs more Speed and OBP at leadoff and maybe the 2 spot.
Even though Jackson has speed, he doesn't have leadoff batter tendencies for now.
Just throwing this out here,
Try and trade for Brett Gardner for leftfield and Ben Zobrist for 2nd base.
See what's up with RP Brandon McCarthy who seems on surface similar to Fister.

I would NOT want CC for 6 years at $23 million per year.

ok, that's understandable. whether or not it would strengthen the staff rotation, it is alot of money.

 

[kalinecountry]

By the way, a couple of Tigers news stories this morning and one from Jason Beck is suggesting the Tigers would or might be looking at Jose Reyes and a suggestion he could play 2B in 2012 and move to short thereafter.

 

[uofmpoweri]

How does anyone plan to get Brandon Phillips with what the Tigers have in the minors? Turner?

Jimmy Rollins hasn't had a good year since 2007. He doesn't get on base, so he's not a good fit for lead off.

Phillips is a possible free agent. He has a $12 million option that can be bought out for $1 million by the Reds.

 

[batcave76]

KalineCountry[/color]]I didn't vote; not to say I wouldn't want Sabathia for 6 years and his 23M per. I just can't see him moving from the yankees

This team needs more Speed and OBP at leadoff and maybe the 2 spot.
Even though Jackson has speed, he doesn't have leadoff batter tendencies for now.
Just throwing this out here,
Try and trade for Brett Gardner for leftfield and Ben Zobrist for 2nd base.
See what's up with RP Brandon McCarthy who seems on surface similar to Fister.

Gardner is the exact player this team needs IMO. Getting him is another story. Acquiring solid players that sort of fly under the radar, is what makes a GM. Dombrowski has done it b4 w/ Polanco, Carlos and Peralta just to name a couple.

 

[kalinecountry]

KalineCountry[/color]]I didn't vote; not to say I wouldn't want Sabathia for 6 years and his 23M per. I just can't see him moving from the yankees

This team needs more Speed and OBP at leadoff and maybe the 2 spot.
Even though Jackson has speed, he doesn't have leadoff batter tendencies for now.
Just throwing this out here,
Try and trade for Brett Gardner for leftfield and Ben Zobrist for 2nd base.
See what's up with RP Brandon McCarthy who seems on surface similar to Fister.

Gardner is the exact player this team needs IMO. Getting him is another story. Acquiring solid players that sort of fly under the radar, is what makes a GM. Dombrowski has done it b4 w/ Polanco, Carlos and Peralta just to name a couple.

Yeah he is and that's the problem in trying to get him.
Comerica Park was made as a larger type outfield, and some of the players that have played out there just don't or can't get it done in an expansive OF. Delmon Young? Magglio? You need a leftfielder with some speed to track fly balls down as much as what they have done in center. For them to keep trying to play of defense with that type with less speed and range is like putting a square peg into a round hole.

 

[batcave76]

KalineCountry[/color]]

Gardner is the exact player this team needs IMO. Getting him is another story. Acquiring solid players that sort of fly under the radar, is what makes a GM. Dombrowski has done it b4 w/ Polanco, Carlos and Peralta just to name a couple.

Yeah he is and that's the problem in trying to get him.
Comerica Park was made as a larger type outfield, and some of the players that have played out there just don't or can't get it done in an expansive OF. Delmon Young? Magglio? You need a leftfielder with some speed to track fly balls down as much as what they have done in center. For them to keep trying to play of defense with that type with less speed and range is like putting a square peg into a round hole.

I am prob in the minority but I think Maggs was a serviceable RF. But I hope they don't sign DY. They need more athletic players. Forget 5 tool guys, how bout some 4 tool ones!

 

[kingofdetroit57]

KalineCountry[/color]]

Gardner is the exact player this team needs IMO. Getting him is another story. Acquiring solid players that sort of fly under the radar, is what makes a GM. Dombrowski has done it b4 w/ Polanco, Carlos and Peralta just to name a couple.

Yeah he is and that's the problem in trying to get him.
Comerica Park was made as a larger type outfield, and some of the players that have played out there just don't or can't get it done in an expansive OF. Delmon Young? Magglio? You need a leftfielder with some speed to track fly balls down as much as what they have done in center. For them to keep trying to play of defense with that type with less speed and range is like putting a square peg into a round hole.

I like Gardener too, but why not just go and get Coco Crisp in FA? He's 4yrs older, but he's got a slightly better BA, OBP, SLG and OPS. They both stole 49 bases this past year.

I'm hoping we take a long look at Crisp in FA since he'd be great patrolling the OF and tearing down the base paths in Comerica.

 

[kalinecountry]

KalineCountry[/color]]

Yeah he is and that's the problem in trying to get him.
Comerica Park was made as a larger type outfield, and some of the players that have played out there just don't or can't get it done in an expansive OF. Delmon Young? Magglio? You need a leftfielder with some speed to track fly balls down as much as what they have done in center. For them to keep trying to play of defense with that type with less speed and range is like putting a square peg into a round hole.

I like Gardener too, but why not just go and get Coco Crisp in FA? He's 4yrs older, but he's got a slightly better BA, OBP, SLG and OPS. They both stole 49 bases this past year.

I'm hoping we take a long look at Crisp in FA since he'd be great patrolling the OF and tearing down the base paths in Comerica.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1572&position=OF
2011 crisp .314 obp -5.5 UZR

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9927&position=OF
gardner .345 obp 25.8 UZR

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'll be honest, I don't really care how much Mike I spends. If he wants a 140m payroll, who am I to argue. Not my cash.

 

[tycobb420]

Boo Phillips

 

[jdbaker1]

Of the 8 teams that made the playoffs, only Tex and NY had solid lineups, 1-8,9. All everything Nick Punto plays 2nd for the WS bound Cards for shit sake. The Brewers line up had holes galore. Arizonia had holes, Rays had holes. Most teams will never come close to having a solid lineup top to bottom.

I agree with you but in most cases the if a player is a hole in the lineup he usually is pretty good with the glove to balance his sorry bat out. This isn't the case at 3b and 2b for the Tigers. AJax is good in cf but I actually think he is overrated.
I am not sold that any of the big time free agents out there would be right for the Tigers. I won't be pissed if we get Reyes or CC just don't think it will happen and don't think it needs to happen in order to win. I agree that a B Gardner type player would be perfect. We need a solid glove at 2b and 3b, not sure where we will find them. Don't like A Ramirez because of his age and price tag. Would love a solid back of the rotation lhp as well. Don't see anyone from the minors ready to step up. Jacob Turner is still 1 year, probably 2 years imo. Still I think this team was very close. They have some money to spend and I think are willing to spend it. Next year could be very exciting.

 

[tomdalton22]

Mitch[/color]]I'll be honest, I don't really care how much Mike I spends. If he wants a 140m payroll, who am I to argue. Not my cash.

The problem with spending more than the franchise can support is adventually they have to balance it out. If they over spend for 4 years there will be a time that they "under spend". For the long term health of the franchise (which is better for fans) it is better to try and make wise decisions to keep a competitive team on the field for the LONG TERM without spending more than the team makes.

 

[buddyboy2121]

How does anyone plan to get Brandon Phillips with what the Tigers have in the minors? Turner?

Jimmy Rollins hasn't had a good year since 2007. He doesn't get on base, so he's not a good fit for lead off.

he's 30 and the braves used omar infante as a center piece for dan uggla

 

[kingofdetroit57]

KalineCountry[/color]]

I like Gardener too, but why not just go and get Coco Crisp in FA? He's 4yrs older, but he's got a slightly better BA, OBP, SLG and OPS. They both stole 49 bases this past year.

I'm hoping we take a long look at Crisp in FA since he'd be great patrolling the OF and tearing down the base paths in Comerica.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1572&position=OF
2011 crisp .314 obp -5.5 UZR

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9927&position=OF
gardner .345 obp 25.8 UZR

OBP shouldn't have been in that list. Sorry about that. The rest are correct though.

Garnder is definitely a better defender, but both are better defenders than Young.

I'd love to have Garnder, I just think they'd want too much for him. Crisp is free to sign anywhere he chooses, which is a bonus when you have an owner that doesn't mind spending to win. Beyond that, I don't think Crisp will cost much. I think he'd be a bargain for what he could bring here.

 

[buddyboy2121]

Mitch[/color]]I'll be honest, I don't really care how much Mike I spends. If he wants a 140m payroll, who am I to argue. Not my cash.

The problem with spending more than the franchise can support is adventually they have to balance it out. If they over spend for 4 years there will be a time that they "under spend". For the long term health of the franchise (which is better for fans) it is better to try and make wise decisions to keep a competitive team on the field for the LONG TERM without spending more than the team makes.

yeah but if we make a couple BIG splashes they we become world series favorites causing season tickets to sell out and if we do win the series next year all of a sudden there will be tons of tigers fans because we won like last year with the giants