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[mhughes0021]

"finish the defense" with a strong comeback!

 

[inkfreq]

The more I think about this, the more I think that if Fisher is there, you have to take him.

If your DE isn't very good... you don't get enough pressure and the opposing offense can work the field.

If your CB isn't very good... you give up big plays and the opposing offense stretches the field.

If your LT isn't very good... your franchise QB could be out for anywhere from a few plays to the rest of his career, ala Theismann.

It's one thing to lose games. It's another thing to lose your future.

Of course, the Lions may be very confident in Reiff at LT too, in which case shore up the D and look for a guard in R5-6

 

[SoCalLions]

I know you're looking for something to do during the off season, Mr. Millen....but stay the fuck out of here.

Says somebody who wants Milliner @ 5 if he's on the board? Lions ranked 14th against the pass last season with a revolving door at CB and both starting safeties missing time. None of the 3 guys we drafted last season played much at all. No need to waste our 1st on a CB. Not even a dominant CB at that. Meanwhile, we finished 21st in sacks. Jarvis Jones led the SEC in sacks the past two seasons with 13.5 and 14.5. He forced 7 fumbles and recovered 2 this past season. I could give two fucks about a 40 time as long as he can play on Sunday. Burflict ran slower than Jones and played pretty well this season and Jones is a far better football player. He can take Durant's spot and be a poor man's Von Miller for us.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Says somebody who wants Milliner @ 5 if he's on the board? Lions ranked 14th against the pass last season with a revolving door at CB and both starting safeties missing time. None of the 3 guys we drafted last season played much at all. No need to waste our 1st on a CB. Not even a dominant CB at that. Meanwhile, we finished 21st in sacks. Jarvis Jones led the SEC in sacks the past two seasons with 13.5 and 14.5. He forced 7 fumbles and recovered 2 this past season. I could give two fucks about a 40 time as long as he can play on Sunday. Burflict ran slower than Jones and played pretty well this season and Jones is a far better football player. He can take Durant's spot and be a poor man's Von Miller for us.

For yards. But for quarterback rating and quarterback completion % against they were much worse.

Edit: And only had 11 INT. We definitely need a starting CB.

 

[SoCalLions]

For yards. But for quarterback rating and quarterback completion % against they were much worse.

Edit: And only had 11 INT. We definitely need a starting CB.

INTs are all playmaking. More concerned about passed defensed and yards allowed. I'm fine with Houston and one of the 3 other 2nd year guys playing the opposite side. Or draft a corner in the 2nd-4th. Hopefully Greenwood looks good in training camp and can be the other corner. I remember Gunther raving about him saying how he reminds him of Brandon Carr.

 

[cheeno]

INTs are all playmaking. More concerned about passed defensed and yards allowed. I'm fine with Houston and one of the 3 other 2nd year guys playing the opposite side. Or draft a corner in the 2nd-4th. Hopefully Greenwood looks good in training camp and can be the other corner. I remember Gunther raving about him saying how he reminds him of Brandon Carr.

Everyone reminds Gunther of someone else, he's senile as fuck. They probably have to keep reminding him their name all the time as he calls them the name of some player he coached 20 years ago.

 

[sggatecl]

I voted BPA, however when I say BPA, I mean BPA among defense (no DTs) and OL.

 

[Mitchrapp]

INTs are all playmaking. More concerned about passed defensed and yards allowed. I'm fine with Houston and one of the 3 other 2nd year guys playing the opposite side. Or draft a corner in the 2nd-4th. Hopefully Greenwood looks good in training camp and can be the other corner. I remember Gunther raving about him saying how he reminds him of Brandon Carr.

The pass% against sucks. That means they get a lot of short yardage downs and can run for a first down with our stellar run defense. The pass% against is much worse stat than total yards given up through the air.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

I chose BPA, but I think the teams ahead of us are going to make it an obvious choice. If either of the LTs are available, it will mean Milliner and the top DE are already off the board (unless someone gets really crazy and picks Geno Smith). If Milliner is available, it's almost assured both LTs and the top DE are off the board. If Milliner and both LTs are taken, that means either Star or the top DE are available.

While I understand DT is not a position of need (Lotuleilei), I wouldn't mind moving Suh to DE, or constantly shuffling players on the line like Schwartz did in Tennessee. Fact is, Star is the most dominant player in this draft, and his heart condition has had no effect on his play.

 

[LKP]

The pass% against sucks. That means they get a lot of short yardage downs and can run for a first down with our stellar run defense. The pass% against is much worse stat than total yards given up through the air.

Houston, Quin and Delmas all had good %. That's a good thing. Spievey actually was solid in that regard an Carey did really in that case too. Bartell in one game had a good % too shutting down Brandon Marshall.

We'll see if the rookies of Bentley/Green can grow.

The trash has been taken out already with Coleman, Wendling, Lacey and Florence and Durant's poor coverage.

 

[mhughes0021]

Says somebody who wants Milliner @ 5 if he's on the board? Lions ranked 14th against the pass last season with a revolving door at CB and both starting safeties missing time. None of the 3 guys we drafted last season played much at all. No need to waste our 1st on a CB. Not even a dominant CB at that. Meanwhile, we finished 21st in sacks. Jarvis Jones led the SEC in sacks the past two seasons with 13.5 and 14.5. He forced 7 fumbles and recovered 2 this past season. I could give two fucks about a 40 time as long as he can play on Sunday. Burflict ran slower than Jones and played pretty well this season and Jones is a far better football player. He can take Durant's spot and be a poor man's Von Miller for us.

lions gave up the most points in the division and scored the fewest points in the division. Youre not going to win very many games like that.

 

[LKP]

lions gave up the most points in the division and scored the fewest points in the division. Youre not going to win very many games like that.

Defensively they gave up 19 PPG truly. Offensively they had 23 PPG, Bears and Vikings offense had some D help to get to their PPG.

Lions have the 2nd best offense(in scoring points) and true defense in the division. Offensive turnovers that went directly for points killed the Lions last year and special teams lost 2 games that had great offensive effort in Ten and great defensive effort at home vs Minesota.

 

[Mitchrapp]

What's this true offense BS, lol. Point are points.

 

[LKP]

What's this true offense BS, lol. Point are points.

Points scored by the defense are not offensive points. Same as pick 6s and special teams against us shouldn't count against the Lions defense.

The Lions had about a touchdown worth of shit happen to them every game and got no help in return from turnovers.

2012 was all about turnovers. Lions can move the ball on a long drive and stop long drives from happening with the best of them. Well in Quarters 1-3 for defense. And with Houston,Delmas, Quinn I could see Quarter 4 being fixed.

Pack scored 398 offensive points. Lions scored 372 offensive points. Pack got 35 points (3 TDs from special teams and 2 defensive TDS (both against the Lions, pick 6 off Scheffler's hands and Stafford fluke fumble)

Packers offense of 2012 is not much better than the Lions offense of 2012.

 

[mhughes0021]

Points scored by the defense are not offensive points. Same as pick 6s and special teams against us shouldn't count against the Lions defense.

The Lions had about a touchdown worth of shit happen to them every game and got no help in return from turnovers.

2012 was all about turnovers. Lions can move the ball on a long drive and stop long drives from happening with the best of them. Well in Quarters 1-3 for defense. And with Houston,Delmas, Quinn I could see Quarter 4 being fixed.

Pack scored 398 offensive points. Lions scored 372 offensive points. Pack got 35 points (3 TDs from special teams and 2 defensive TDS (both against the Lions, pick 6 off Scheffler's hands and Stafford fluke fumble)

Packers offense of 2012 is not much better than the Lions offense of 2012.

Lmao. Dude, we TRULY scored the least and TRULY gave up the most points in the division. Youre trying to sugarcoat a fact by pooping on it and saying it shouldn't count that staff throws pick sixes and our defense cant score and our st blows. But in the end all it is ....is poop. All of those were part of the reason why we sucked ass....and won 0 games in the division.

 

[LKP]

Lmao. Dude, we TRULY scored the least and TRULY gave up the most points in the division. Youre trying to sugarcoat a fact by pooping on it and saying it shouldn't count that staff throws pick sixes and our defense cant score and our st blows. But in the end all it is ....is poop. All of those were part of the reason why we sucked ass....and won 0 games in the division.

We truly scored alot more than 2 other division offenses. Their defenses/special teams bailed them out. I'll take Detroit's offense over Vikings and Bears all day every day. And it's comparable to Green Bay when healthy and Stafford gets back on the redzone track like 2011. Lions move the ball very well but in the redzone is where it fell off the wagon at times. Alot due to turnovers.

Defense the Lions got screwed by turnovers and special teams for over 100 points. It's fact, not an opinion. A fact. 6 direct tds, 3 turnovers inside the 5, 10 turnover FGs inside the Lions 40 where the D did a great job holding and 4 special teams TDs and the Forsett bogus TD. None of that is on the Lions defense.

The Lions offense did what it's supposed to did in terms of scoring points. In terms of protecting the football that's another story and that screwed the defense and special teams cost the Lions 2 games they should have won due to great offensive then defensive performance. It killed the morale and 6-2 would have been alot better going into at Minnesota and 3 tough home games.

 

[mhughes0021]

The offense did the opposite of what theyre supposed to do....they were horrible at finishing drives.

 

[LKP]

The offense did the opposite of what theyre supposed to do....they were horrible at finishing drives.

The Lions OFFENSE scored 53 less points than 2011. The Lions defense scored 49 less points than 2011 going from 49 points scored to 0.

The Lions 2012 offense only scored 17 less points than the 2012 Packers offense 398 to 372. Packers got 35 points from special teams/defense for their 433 total. Lions were alot closer to a top 5 scoring offense than you think. We'll see if Detroit can get 4-5 defensive tds in 2013.

The Lions wouldn't have needed those 53 extra offensive points or those 49 extra defensive points if they didn't allow 9 TDs off turnovers, 10 FGS off turnover inside their own 40 and 4 special teams TDs.

Lions offense scoring 372 points is just fine. Would I like more (398 like the Packers) sure but reducing killer backbreaking turnovers and scoring 3-4 defensive tds is more realistic to get a bunch more wins.

 

[LKP]

And what's the difference from 372 to 398. Bell not fumbling on the goal line against Chicago, LeShoure not fumbling against the Bears, Pettigrew not dropping two TDs and Hanson making that field goal against Houston in OT and against the Titans in OT instead of a botched fumble.

What's cutting the deadly turnovers in half. Stafford not having a fluke fumble in Lambeau, Graham not getting hurt on a punt which allowed the throw back play by the Titans, Osgood making a tackle he usually makes on the Vikings punt return, Scheffler having better hands on the Pack pick 6 and Durham not running the wrong route on the Toler 100 yard return.

That's a win against at Bears, Texans, Vikings, at Titans, Pack twice. That's 10 and playoffs if you're counting. Plus you got the Colts meltdown.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And what's the difference from 372 to 398. Bell not fumbling on the goal line against Chicago, LeShoure not fumbling against the Bears, Pettigrew not dropping two TDs and Hanson making that field goal against Houston in OT and against the Titans in OT instead of a botched fumble.

Um, I don't think you get it. Those were our guys that messed up. Or are you assuming in 2013 they won't screw up, it was an anomaly? The point is, he did fumble, he did botch it, he did drop the TD's.