Your Tigers Offseason

[lonesometiger]

Find a 2b, backup Catcher, and a leadoff man. I can live with Inge/Kelly for a year. Add bullpen depth and a 5th starter. Give Turner the inside shot at #5 in the Spring, but hold an open competition.

The only problem with living with Inge another year! Is how long has that saying been around!?

 

[tigersofjustice]

My ideal Tigers offseason is:

1. Sign Jose Reyes, move Peralta to 3b, move Inge to another city
2. Sign Kelly Johnson for 2b
3. DO NOT offer Delmon Young a contract
4. Sign Josh Willingham for a OF spot
5. Since the Tigs front office is obsessed with getting LH starters, sign Erik Bedard
6. Sign a few decent inexpensive bullpen arms to fill in the times when Valverde and Benoit are not pitching.

Lineup:

1. Reyes - SS
2. Kelly Johnson - 2b
3. Josh Willingham - OF
4. Miguel Cabrera - 1B
5. Victor Martinez - DH
6. Brennan Boesch/Ryan Raburn - OF
7. Alex Avila - C
8. Jhonny Peralta - 3b
9. Austin Jackson - CF

Rotation:
1. Verlander
2. Fister
3. Scherzer
4. Bedard (when healthy)/Turner
5. Porcello

Bullpen:

Valverde, Benoit, (insert a couple of half decent arms so we never have to see Ryan Perry or Daniel Schlereth in important situations)

 

[tigersofjustice]

Would love to see Kubel and Brian Roberts added to the team this offseason. Two weaknesses in the field and lineup both become considerably stronger. Roberts 3 yrs/27M, Kubel 4 yr/30 M, what do u think?

Roberts is old, losing his ability, and can barely stay on the field with chronic injury problems. We just lost Carlos Guillen we don't need his twin.

Kubel is fairly useless long term, he's a power LH bat who cannot field all that well, we have a cheaper version of that in Boesch already. I would argue Boesch is probably better, better numbers last year, no platoon split.

 

[buddyboy2121]

My ideal Tigers offseason is:

1. Sign Jose Reyes, move Peralta to 3b, move Inge to another city
2. Sign Kelly Johnson for 2b
3. DO NOT offer Delmon Young a contract
4. Sign Josh Willingham for a OF spot
5. Since the Tigs front office is obsessed with getting LH starters, sign Erik Bedard
6. Sign a few decent inexpensive bullpen arms to fill in the times when Valverde and Benoit are not pitching.

Lineup:

1. Reyes - SS
2. Kelly Johnson - 2b
3. Josh Willingham - OF
4. Miguel Cabrera - 1B
5. Victor Martinez - DH
6. Brennan Boesch/Ryan Raburn - OF
7. Alex Avila - C
8. Jhonny Peralta - 3b
9. Austin Jackson - CF

Rotation:
1. Verlander
2. Fister
3. Scherzer
4. Bedard (when healthy)/Turner
5. Porcello

Bullpen:

Valverde, Benoit, (insert a couple of half decent arms so we never have to see Ryan Perry or Daniel Schlereth in important situations)

Why the fuck would we drop 25 year old delmon young who hits for average and decent power for a 32 year old Josh Willingham who hits for power only? Why does everyone want to get rid of Delmon? so what he doesnt play good defense? neither does Lance Berkman but he has a spot in RF for the Cards because he can hit. A player affects the game more with his bat than his glove. Either way Josh Willingham isn't that much more of an improvement defensively

 

[Thumb]

A 25 year old Delmon Young who keeps getting fatter, and slower, had 1 good season, and can't field a lick.

Do you think Minnesota dropped him on a whim?

After all the Twins have so much talent anyways...oh wait...

I'd rather have Raburn full time than Young, and I fucking hate Raburn.

 

[tigersofjustice]

My ideal Tigers offseason is:

1. Sign Jose Reyes, move Peralta to 3b, move Inge to another city
2. Sign Kelly Johnson for 2b
3. DO NOT offer Delmon Young a contract
4. Sign Josh Willingham for a OF spot
5. Since the Tigs front office is obsessed with getting LH starters, sign Erik Bedard
6. Sign a few decent inexpensive bullpen arms to fill in the times when Valverde and Benoit are not pitching.

Lineup:

1. Reyes - SS
2. Kelly Johnson - 2b
3. Josh Willingham - OF
4. Miguel Cabrera - 1B
5. Victor Martinez - DH
6. Brennan Boesch/Ryan Raburn - OF
7. Alex Avila - C
8. Jhonny Peralta - 3b
9. Austin Jackson - CF

Rotation:
1. Verlander
2. Fister
3. Scherzer
4. Bedard (when healthy)/Turner
5. Porcello

Bullpen:

Valverde, Benoit, (insert a couple of half decent arms so we never have to see Ryan Perry or Daniel Schlereth in important situations)

Why the fuck would we drop 25 year old delmon young who hits for average and decent power for a 32 year old Josh Willingham who hits for power only? Why does everyone want to get rid of Delmon? so what he doesnt play good defense? neither does Lance Berkman but he has a spot in RF for the Cards because he can hit. A player affects the game more with his bat than his glove. Either way Josh Willingham isn't that much more of an improvement defensively

As MI pointed out, Delmon Young is f'ing terrible. In contrast, Josh Willingham has proven himself to be a solid power hitter who who can produce some runs and play slightly better defense for less money than Delmon.

 

[Rebbiv]

Last 3 years Away

Willingham 95.34 RC/650 .253 BAVG .352 OBP .467 SLG .819 OPS

D. Young 76.82 RC/650 .284 BAVG .319 OBP .441 SLG .760 OPS


Young turned 26 in September. In rare, rare cases, players have been able to "morph" into something they were not before age 26. However, he is 26 and that means he is what he is. Sure, he hits for a good average, but that is negated with a low OBP and his reluctance to draw a walk. He also is 5th worse in MLB over the last 3 years as to the rate in which he grounds into double plays.

IMHO, most of this is due to his high rate of 1st pitch swinging.


Now, Raburn and Inge are both under contract for next year. Santiago is a free agent. The only 2 areas I see DET addressing is corner OF and 2B. Now, if they keep Young, it is going to cost at least $7 Mil a year for a below average offensive and defensive LFer. I am not sure Willingham is the answer, but he is certainly way better than Young, at least offensively.

 

[batcave76]

Last 3 years Away

Willingham 95.34 RC/650 .253 BAVG .352 OBP .467 SLG .819 OPS

D. Young 76.82 RC/650 .284 BAVG .319 OBP .441 SLG .760 OPS


Young turned 26 in September. In rare, rare cases, players have been able to "morph" into something they were not before age 26. However, he is 26 and that means he is what he is. Sure, he hits for a good average, but that is negated with a low OBP and his reluctance to draw a walk. He also is 5th worse in MLB over the last 3 years as to the rate in which he grounds into double plays.

IMHO, most of this is due to his high rate of 1st pitch swinging.


Now, Raburn and Inge are both under contract for next year. Santiago is a free agent. The only 2 areas I see DET addressing is corner OF and 2B. Now, if they keep Young, it is going to cost at least $7 Mil a year for a below average offensive and defensive LFer. I am not sure Willingham is the answer, but he is certainly way better than Young, at least offensively.

IDK. Have a bad feeling they keep DY. I agree that 2nd and hopefully corner OF get upgraded. If they can get a couple of higher OBP guys in the top 3rd of the lineup, it will have a big impact. They could drop AJax to 9 and keep Inge w/a platoon for another yr. Getting Fister was huge. I think it will allow them to use Turner in a trade. They don't have much else that could bring big value.

 

[byco42]

If the Tigers offer Young anything more than a year, I will not be happy. He's not that much of an upgrade from who the Tigers are already paying to play LF and I'd be fine with DY pursuing the open market and being overpaid elsewhere.

 

[spockmaster]

Last 3 years Away

Willingham 95.34 RC/650 .253 BAVG .352 OBP .467 SLG .819 OPS

D. Young 76.82 RC/650 .284 BAVG .319 OBP .441 SLG .760 OPS


Young turned 26 in September. In rare, rare cases, players have been able to "morph" into something they were not before age 26. However, he is 26 and that means he is what he is. Sure, he hits for a good average, but that is negated with a low OBP and his reluctance to draw a walk. He also is 5th worse in MLB over the last 3 years as to the rate in which he grounds into double plays.

IMHO, most of this is due to his high rate of 1st pitch swinging.


Now, Raburn and Inge are both under contract for next year. Santiago is a free agent. The only 2 areas I see DET addressing is corner OF and 2B. Now, if they keep Young, it is going to cost at least $7 Mil a year for a below average offensive and defensive LFer. I am not sure Willingham is the answer, but he is certainly way better than Young, at least offensively.

IDK. Have a bad feeling they keep DY. I agree that 2nd and hopefully corner OF get upgraded. If they can get a couple of higher OBP guys in the top 3rd of the lineup, it will have a big impact. They could drop AJax to 9 and keep Inge w/a platoon for another yr. Getting Fister was huge. I think it will allow them to use Turner in a trade. They don't have much else that could bring big value.

of COURSE theyre going to keep young. DD has something of a fetish for his type of hitter; no defense, streaky power, no OBP. how many of our non-center outfielders have played even average defense the last several years? how many of them aside from maggs knew how to take a walk? he's got a pattern.

 

[batcave76]

IDK. Have a bad feeling they keep DY. I agree that 2nd and hopefully corner OF get upgraded. If they can get a couple of higher OBP guys in the top 3rd of the lineup, it will have a big impact. They could drop AJax to 9 and keep Inge w/a platoon for another yr. Getting Fister was huge. I think it will allow them to use Turner in a trade. They don't have much else that could bring big value.

of COURSE theyre going to keep young. DD has something of a fetish for his type of hitter; no defense, streaky power, no OBP. how many of our non-center outfielders have played even average defense the last several years? how many of them aside from maggs knew how to take a walk? he's got a pattern.

I think it's more on Leyland. I really think if JL likes a player personally, regardless of how he fits, he's all on-board. That seems stupid but there's some truth to it, I think.

 

[spockmaster]

of COURSE theyre going to keep young. DD has something of a fetish for his type of hitter; no defense, streaky power, no OBP. how many of our non-center outfielders have played even average defense the last several years? how many of them aside from maggs knew how to take a walk? he's got a pattern.

I think it's more on Leyland. I really think if JL likes a player personally, regardless of how he fits, he's all on-board. That seems stupid but there's some truth to it, I think.

its probably some of both. we can only hope that if DD does indeed tender DY a contract that leyland magically gets some sense during the offseason and hits him 6th or 7th instead of 3rd (which should be the spot for boesch or avila).

i think it would be more likely that i became emperor of the world by april than leyland gets some common sense though.

 

[buddyboy2121]

Last 3 years Away

Willingham 95.34 RC/650 .253 BAVG .352 OBP .467 SLG .819 OPS

D. Young 76.82 RC/650 .284 BAVG .319 OBP .441 SLG .760 OPS


Young turned 26 in September. In rare, rare cases, players have been able to "morph" into something they were not before age 26. However, he is 26 and that means he is what he is. Sure, he hits for a good average, but that is negated with a low OBP and his reluctance to draw a walk. He also is 5th worse in MLB over the last 3 years as to the rate in which he grounds into double plays.

IMHO, most of this is due to his high rate of 1st pitch swinging.


Now, Raburn and Inge are both under contract for next year. Santiago is a free agent. The only 2 areas I see DET addressing is corner OF and 2B. Now, if they keep Young, it is going to cost at least $7 Mil a year for a below average offensive and defensive LFer. I am not sure Willingham is the answer, but he is certainly way better than Young, at least offensively.

how long have you been watching baseball? he is about to hit his prime ages 27-31. the OBP is only .03 difference in favor of Josh Willingham. The batting average .03 difference in Delmon's favor. Willingham plays defense on par to Young so there is no real improvement there. Willingham has power but can't really hit outside of that and his walk rate isn't anything special.

 

[Rebbiv]

Last 3 years Away

Willingham 95.34 RC/650 .253 BAVG .352 OBP .467 SLG .819 OPS

D. Young 76.82 RC/650 .284 BAVG .319 OBP .441 SLG .760 OPS


Young turned 26 in September. In rare, rare cases, players have been able to "morph" into something they were not before age 26. However, he is 26 and that means he is what he is. Sure, he hits for a good average, but that is negated with a low OBP and his reluctance to draw a walk. He also is 5th worse in MLB over the last 3 years as to the rate in which he grounds into double plays.

IMHO, most of this is due to his high rate of 1st pitch swinging.


Now, Raburn and Inge are both under contract for next year. Santiago is a free agent. The only 2 areas I see DET addressing is corner OF and 2B. Now, if they keep Young, it is going to cost at least $7 Mil a year for a below average offensive and defensive LFer. I am not sure Willingham is the answer, but he is certainly way better than Young, at least offensively.

how long have you been watching baseball? he is about to hit his prime ages 27-31. the OBP is only .03 difference in favor of Josh Willingham. The batting average .03 difference in Delmon's favor. Willingham plays defense on par to Young so there is no real improvement there. Willingham has power but can't really hit outside of that and his walk rate isn't anything special.

I am going on 52 and have been studying baseball statistics since I was 11 or 12.


First, batting average is only a indicator of a player's eye-hand coordination and should never be used as a comparision stat.

2nd, Willingham's .352 OBP versus DY's .319 OBP = .03 difference all right .033 difference, which is HUGE.

Walk rates

Willingham = 9.20 PA/BB

DY = 25.10 PA/BB

This equates to 45 walks difference in 650 Plate Appearances.



Now, peak age for a baseball player is 28. The prime years are from 26-30. This is where players put the mental and physical together. After 30, players start to loose the physical.


Certainly, at age 26, DY is entering his prime, whatever that is. There isn't a single predictive stat which implies DY would be above a marginal offensive corner OFer.


And yes, Willingham is just as bad as DY in the OF. And if you read my post, I stated I do not believe Willingham is the answer.

 

[batcave76]

I think anyone that wants DY back will regret it. When you consider how many soft spots there are in the line up with CF, 2nd, and 3rd, all of which prob won't get upgraded, having a mediocre hitting LF and a poor defender to boot, at 7 mil per, they should look elsewhere.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Octavio Dotel's option was declined by the Cards today. He'd look great in our pen helping to lock down games along side Benoit and Valverde. The only downside is that I believe he's a Type A player, but if we're going after another Type A player (fairly likely) it doesn't much matter because the pick would be given up either way.