2016 NFL Draft Thread

[Mitchrapp]

It's possible that there is a point saving tackle somewhere out there made by the long snapper.

Not a tackle but a missed long snap. When we first got the guy we have now. End of the game against Minny, 2004 (I think). Lost 27-26 because of a bad snap. Granted that was the only time for him.

 

[tonyballs]

But they have to sign the new LS, which will probably cost close to 500k. So it is essentially a wash right?

I'm not sure what the difference is between the best LS in the league an the worst. But to me it is a 6th round pick, so in the end it probably doesn't matter. However I highly doubt this move was made to save money.

You dont know the difference?? Jesus Christ....ok lol. Listen, that's what i read. Mulbach gets paid a lot of money. Probably too much money for a LS. But he's one of the best in the NFL. The Lions drafted one of the best LS's in college. His successor to tell you the truth. It's not really hard to understand. The Lions are set to save some money if they release Mulbach. It was 100% a business move....

 

[inkfreq]

By the same token, wouldn't you want a guy who may snap the ball consistently well enough to not put a team in a situation that loses the game? Special Teams to me is just about execution. You aren't trying to win or lose games with special teams. You're just trying to not make mistakes. This was just a long-term move to ensure we don't have a drop off in that area.

The best LS in the NFL vs. the worst..... what's the difference really?

None of us can possibly watch ever game, and if we do, there's no way we really know the Long Snapper for each team. Hell, outside of Muhlbach, I don't know any of them.

But never once have I heard a commentator say "What this team really needs is a better long snapper". I've never heard anything even close.

Because the dropoff between the absolute best and the worst is about... nothing really.

 

[tonyballs]

The best LS in the NFL vs. the worst..... what's the difference really?

None of us can possibly watch ever game, and if we do, there's no way we really know the Long Snapper for each team. Hell, outside of Muhlbach, I don't know any of them.

But never once have I heard a commentator say "What this team really needs is a better long snapper". I've never heard anything even close.

Because the dropoff between the absolute best and the worst is about... nothing really.

Says who though? The average fan? Wrong, buddy. Obviously a good LS is valued by Quinn and he felt the need to get a kid that excelled at it in college. It was a 6th rd pick lol. Besides, its not our job to know who a good or bad LS is. It's THEIR job. Word is the pick was strictly a business move anyways....makes sense. Mulbach is 35 and makes a lot of money. He gets cut, Lions save money. If Landes doesn't pan out....oh well, we still have one of the best in the league.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

The best LS in the NFL vs. the worst..... what's the difference really?

None of us can possibly watch ever game, and if we do, there's no way we really know the Long Snapper for each team. Hell, outside of Muhlbach, I don't know any of them.

But never once have I heard a commentator say "What this team really needs is a better long snapper". I've never heard anything even close.

Because the dropoff between the absolute best and the worst is about... nothing really.

I can think of at least one local coach who disagrees with you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E6m19Tlrbhs

 

[inkfreq]

I can think of at least one local coach who disagrees with you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E6m19Tlrbhs

Again.. a LS can lose you a game. They will NEVER win you one.

No one is saying you don't need a LS. No one is saying you don't need a good LS.

I am saying the difference between the top of the heap and the bottom in the NFL is so negligible that there is no reason to draft one. There will be 50 of them available in free agency.

Are you really telling me the Michigan LS has a legit shot at the NFL? Are you really suggesting that he was an option at all.. that if we hadn't drafted Landes we might be stuck with him?

99.999999% of the time, the LS is going to get the ball to the kicker/punter the same as any other LS will. Anyone, no matter how highly though of, can fuck up .0000001% of the time.

 

[inkfreq]

Says who though? The average fan? Wrong, buddy. Obviously a good LS is valued by Quinn and he felt the need to get a kid that excelled at it in college. It was a 6th rd pick lol. Besides, its not our job to know who a good or bad LS is. It's THEIR job. Word is the pick was strictly a business move anyways....makes sense. Mulbach is 35 and makes a lot of money. He gets cut, Lions save money. If Landes doesn't pan out....oh well, we still have one of the best in the league.

Tony, do you really believe if we hadn't drafted Landes someone else would have? And if they did... so what? We get the #2 LS in the draft 15 minutes after it's over?

That is my argument. I don't mind having Landes at all. I don't mind that he is cheaper or that he will move us away from Muhlbach. I don't care.

What I care about is that a LS is a freebie and we spent a pick. Thats a bad pick no matter how it works out in the end.

There was simply no reason at all to draft the guy.

 

[cheeno]

Even Landes himself was like...wut?

From KCs notes: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/02/long-snapper-very-surprised-lions-drafted-him/

 

[kdp1980]

Dumbest pick of the draft, by any team. No point in trying to defend it. It wasn't a need, wasnt BPA, it wasn't anything. It was a brainfart of a pick, nothing more. No wonder 2 scouts were fired by the Lions this week.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Dumbest pick of the draft, by any team. No point in trying to defend it. It wasn't a need, wasnt BPA, it wasn't anything. It was a brainfart of a pick, nothing more. No wonder 2 scouts were fired by the Lions this week.

They were getting fired regardless from what I understand. Plus scouts don't actually make the picks.

 

[inkfreq]

Dumbest pick of the draft, by any team. No point in trying to defend it. It wasn't a need, wasnt BPA, it wasn't anything. It was a brainfart of a pick, nothing more. No wonder 2 scouts were fired by the Lions this week.

Nope. As much as I don't like the pick, it had nothing to do with scouts being fired and it was not the dumbest pick in the draft.

First of all, if Quinn thought that advice was stupid enough to fire someone over, it should be him being fired for making the pick based on advise that stupid. But, he didn't. We knew two weeks ago scouts were going to be fired after the draft. There were articles discussing how common it was for a new GM to wait until after the draft to do it.

Second, Tampa actually traded UP to land a kicker in the 2nd round. Four kickers in the history of the NFL have been drafted that high, and they traded UP.. giving up MORE picks.. to do it.

I am not against drafted a 2nd round kicker, nor should any fan of Jason Hanson be against it. But did they think there was strong competition? Were they afraid someone might steal him away?

They literally outbid themselves for no reason. If we had traded up, I get it.. stupidest pick. We spent a pick at all, that's stupid. But it really doesn't compare to trading up to reach for a kicker.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Again.. a LS can lose you a game. They will NEVER win you one.

I know i'm squabbling over semantics here.....but isn't a LS losing a game the same thing as winning it?? I mean, if one snap is the difference in the game and he fucks it up......???

 

[sggatecl]

People getting worked up by a LS in the 6th round and I'm still over here puzzled about drafting a lesser version of Ameer Abdullah, a guy that was benched multiple times due to butterfingers.

P.S. You know your draft wasn't half bad when fans are quibbling over your 6th/7th round picks and not your 1st through 4th.

 

[tonyballs]

Tony, do you really believe if we hadn't drafted Landes someone else would have? And if they did... so what? We get the #2 LS in the draft 15 minutes after it's over?

That is my argument. I don't mind having Landes at all. I don't mind that he is cheaper or that he will move us away from Muhlbach. I don't care.

What I care about is that a LS is a freebie and we spent a pick. Thats a bad pick no matter how it works out in the end.

There was simply no reason at all to draft the guy.

But there was a reason. Money and age. Ok, maybe he's there as a UDFA but maybe not. It was a 6th rd pick and i cant believe this convo has gone on this long lol. Seriously. To me, it was strictly a business move picking Landes. Nobody (including the Lions) don't think this is the steal of the draft. It's a comfort pick. They acquired a kid with pin point accuracy with his snaps and Mulbach is 35. Covering their tracks. That's how i see it....

 

[tonyballs]

Dumbest pick of the draft, by any team. No point in trying to defend it. It wasn't a need, wasnt BPA, it wasn't anything. It was a brainfart of a pick, nothing more. No wonder 2 scouts were fired by the Lions this week.

Who should they have picked then?? IT WAS A FUCKING 6TH RD PICK!!! GEEZUS KRIST!!!

 

[kdp1980]

Who should they have picked then?? IT WAS A FUCKING 6TH RD PICK!!! GEEZUS KRIST!!!

Scooby Wright was available in the 7th

 

[sggatecl]

Scooby Wright was available in the 7th

I heard he blew his ACL jumping over a fence and into a pool after he got the call that he was drafted.

 

[kdp1980]

I heard he blew his ACL jumping over a fence and into a pool after he got the call that he was drafted.

And would still be worth more than a long snapper that wasn't expecting a call until the draft was over, if even then

 

[atxlion82]

Even if the kid was an UDFA there are 31 other teams that could bid for his services.

 

[kdp1980]

Even if the kid was an UDFA there are 31 other teams that could bid for his services.

And we might've been the only ones calling, if not, no big deal