By:
Advanced search…

Welcome to Detroit Sports Forum!

By joining our community, you'll be able to connect with fellow fans that live and breathe Detroit sports just like you!

Get Started
  • If you are no longer able to access your account since our recent switch from vBulletin to XenForo, you may need to reset your password via email. If you no longer have access to the email attached to your account, please fill out our contact form and we will assist you ASAP. Thanks for your continued support of DSF.

2017 Playoffs - Astros electronic sign stealing - Now Astros fire Luhnow and Hinch

kalinecountry said:
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...-scandal-jim-crane-accountability/4753806002/
'I don?t think I should be held accountable': Houston Astros' systemic issues persist from the top down.
Freep

F'n Manfred let them off easy. This dickhead owner should be suspended for a year like the commissioner at the time did to the yankees steinbrenner.
Click to expand...

Pretty interesting. I didn't know about the Winfield thing and George getting banned for life then getting the ban lifted 2 years later. It makes the Pete Rose lifetime ban even more ridiculous.

As far as suspending the Astros owner...it only has teeth if he is actually involved in the day to day operations of the team. I don't know what his role is.
 
Yeah Tom, Unless I went to look it up, I might have got the amount of time he was suspended incorrect.
These nMLB owners like all of them in all sports are filthy rich and have alot of financial clout and know professional people in many high places.
My opinion is Crane the owner and all of them in his front office knew from the very top down. Same with the red sox.
 
https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2020/02/14/the-saturday-survey-69/
THE SATURDAY SURVEY.
Totally Tigers

The Saturday Survey offers another way for readers to weigh in on a relevant topic. So here is a poll to gauge the pulse of our baseball-lovin? peeps.

As always, we welcome your comments, so please vote and then submit your reasons ( 4 sentences max!) for how you voted in the usual comment box. Don?t forget to come back later and view the results!

What scandal do you consider to be the worst in MLB history?

1. Black Sox scandal.

2. Performance enhancing drugs.

3. Pete Rose betting scandal.

4. Owner collusion.

5. Electronic sign stealing.

6. Other.

Vote
 
My thoughts on this are yeah maybe Houston should been punished more. But it’s not like all these other clubs aren’t doing shit either. Sign sealing has always been around. I bet the Astros batters may face a bunch of chin music lol..
 
Quick List of those accused, those admitted to cheating and those caught:

Bobby Thompson = Sign stealing

George Brett = Pine Tar

Joel Peralta = Pine Tar (8-game suspension)

Brendan Donnelly = Pine Tar

Julian Tavarez = Pine Tar

Jay Howell = Pine Tar

Kenny Rogers = Pine Tar

Rick Honeycutt = thumbtack

Pete Rose = corked bat

Phil Garner = corked bat

Whitey Ford = Scuffing baseball and/or mud

Mike Scott = Scuffed baseballs

Don Sutton = scuffed baseball (10-game suspension)

Michael Pineda = foreign substance (10-game suspension)

Will Smith = foreign substance (6-game suspension)

Brian Matusz = foreign substance (8-game suspension)

Jon Lester = foreign substance

Oriel Hershiser = water

Brian Moehler = Sandpaper (10-day suspension)

Kevin Gross = Sandpaper

Gaylord Perry = Vaseline

Preacher Roe = Spitball

Don Drysdale = Spitball

Joe Niekro = Emery Board/sandpaper (10-game suspension)

Craig Nettles = Doctored baseball bat (10-game suspension)

Corked Bat

Sammy Sosa (8-game suspension)
Wilton Guerrero (8-game suspension)
Chris Sabo (7-game suspension)
Albert Belle (7-game suspension)
Billy Hatcher (10-game suspension)


https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6186829?storyId=6186829


https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/gregg-zaun-admits-to-stealing-signs-as-a-blue-jays-player/


https://www.thesportster.com/baseball/top-15-pitchers-who-dominated-baseball-by-cheating/
 
Last edited:
My two cents. Sign stealing has been around since the late 1800's. There is nothing in the rules specifically against stealing signs. The rules do prevent a team from relaying that to the hitter by "mechanical" means or by receiving them through "mechanical" means. That is what happened with HOU and BOS. It is how they communicated that to the hitter.


The defensive team has always been responsible for "protecting" their signs. The catcher has to obscure the opposing team from reading the signs and changing the signs up with the pitcher as to further restrict the opposing team from knowing what the signs are. This is part of the game and always been a part of the game.


James McCann has been known to not hide the signs very well. His pitchers have had higher rates of Home Runs whenever he has caught them, versus other pitchers on the team. The reason team "steal" signs is the hitter's ability to have better contact on a pitch he knows is coming. He still has to hit the pitch, but the result is greater if he knows what it is.
 
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...ros-jose-altuve-stole-2017-al-mvp-aaron-judge
NL MVP Cody Bellinger says Astros' Jose Altuve stole 2017 AL MVP from Aaron Judge.
espn

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...s-astros-had-distinct-advantage-sign-stealing
Yankees GM Brian Cashman says Astros had 'distinct advantage' with sign stealing.
espn

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28702489/tony-kemp-says-refused-take-part-astros-sign-stealing
Tony Kemp says he refused to take part in Astros' sign stealing.
espn
 
https://www.mlb.com/tigers/news/cameron-maybin-talks-tigers-astros-history
Maybin talks Tigers history, Astros past.
Tigers official site

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/s...g-up-houston-astros-sign-stealing/4779343002/
Tigers' Cameron Maybin regrets not speaking up against Astros' sign-stealing scheme in '17.
Detnews

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...kees-houston-astros-sign-stealing/4778829002/
Detroit Tigers' Cameron Maybin hints he tipped off 2019 Yankees about Astros' sign-stealing.
Freep

https://www.mlive.com/tigers/2020/0...series-with-team-now-engulfed-in-scandal.html
New Tiger Cameron Maybin won World Series with team now engulfed in scandal.
Mlive
 
Last edited:
https://totallytigers.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/would-you-rather-8/
WOULD YOU RATHER?
Totally Tigers

With another holiday weekend upon us, let?s have some more fun with our newest blog, Would You Rather.

As you will see, the choices aren?t easy ? and that?s the way it?s meant to be. But it is meant to stir up some good discussion.

As always, we welcome your comments, so please vote and then submit your reasons ( 4 sentences max!) for how you voted in the usual comment box. Don?t forget to come back later and view the results!

Emotions are running high in the Houston Astros camp. Now that you have heard from several players, would you rather:

1. Have the Commissioner begin punishing Houston players.

2. Have the Commissioner strip the Astros? World Title.

Vote.
 
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...-mike-trout-rips-astros-calls-more-punishment
Angels star Mike Trout rips Astros, calls for more punishment.
espn

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...n-turner-irate-touch-commissioner-rob-manfred
Dodgers' Justin Turner irate with 'out of touch' commissioner Rob Manfred.
espn

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...rres-believes-astros-cheated-last-three-years
Yankees SS Gleyber Torres believes Astros cheated the last three years.
espn

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28724451/red-sox-jd-martinez-thinks-astros-bashing-bit-much
Red Sox's J.D. Martinez thinks Astros-bashing a bit much.
espn
 
kalinecountry said:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...-mike-trout-rips-astros-calls-more-punishment
Angels star Mike Trout rips Astros, calls for more punishment.
espn

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...n-turner-irate-touch-commissioner-rob-manfred
Dodgers' Justin Turner irate with 'out of touch' commissioner Rob Manfred.
espn

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...rres-believes-astros-cheated-last-three-years
Yankees SS Gleyber Torres believes Astros cheated the last three years.
espn

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28724451/red-sox-jd-martinez-thinks-astros-bashing-bit-much
Red Sox's J.D. Martinez thinks Astros-bashing a bit much.
espn
Click to expand...

I agree with JD. I'm getting tired of this story.
 
tomdalton22 said:
I agree with JD. I'm getting tired of this story.
Click to expand...

I don't think it's going away anytime soon. You have St and the whole 2020 season. Every road game the astros go to will be lots of talk, booing, vitriol, and off course chin music and hit by pitch astro batters.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

About Us

Founded in 2011, Detroit Sports Forum is a community of fanatics dedicated to teams like the Lions, Tigers, Pistons, Red Wings, Wolverines, and more. We live and breathe Detroit sports!

Stay Connected

Forum statistics

Threads
34,763
Messages
1,129,054
Members
977
Latest member
businesstalkmag

Affiliates

    Discussion Hub
Back
Top