2022 Off-Season

[503]

They'll still play hard for him if he can motivate them. He's a straight shooter on questions and its a welcome change his honesty. About 2024 though, there would be major questions I'm sure if we continue to lose. We'll see what happens. Just because we won only 3 games with an injury riddled very young team (3rd most games lost in league) new scheme roster doesn't mean we can't win in more in 2022 or real competitive in 2023. Also if we only 4 and he's not a complete dick head, they'll still probably play hard for him.

Jags, at Carolina, Seattle, Jets, Packers once, Vikings twice, Bears twice, at Giants, Commanders. Thats 11 winnable as those teams have major problems just like the Lions

Bill, at Pats, new look Dolphins, Eagles (crushed us), at Cowboys, at Green Bay are probably losses but you never know

Let's see what Goff and Ben Johnson and Chark can do and St Brown and Hock can
Let's see if Oline is healthy how good our pass pro and run game can be
Let's see what health we get
Let's see if we add defensive talent in draft and what this coaching staff can do. Can Aaron Glenn earn that head coaching job by making us an average defense with all these young players but no game changers yet. Hopefully Thibodeaux changes that too

Lots of ?let?s see?. Only thing I want to see, is playoff wins. We fired our one black head coach after being successful and having a good locker room/team atmosphere. Let?s hold DC to the same standards.

Over four seasons as Detroit Lions head coach, Jim Caldwell posted a 36-28 record with at least nine wins three times and two playoff appearances.

 

[503]

A lot of what you say makes no sense. ?Apples are red but alligators don?t care for watermelon?.

You can play hard and still not win games.

It is a small sample size?..but one year in and this team is in a much better position than it was at this time last year. A good first step for the organization. Let?s see if he can have a successful year 2.

What makes no sense? It?s easy to meet expectations when you have zero put on you as a coach. We had a roster with players fighting to stay in the league, who wouldn?t play hard? That?s not DC, that?s common sense trying to earn a contract. It?s a different story for a coach when they are expected to win games.

 

[LKP]

Think if they have a solid roster and can win, they will play even harder for him. Unless he turnns into an asshole after 2 or 3 years of losing. He got a 6 year contract not 4 for a reason. Him just being honest is even better than Caldwell. Caldwell had a good roster to start and Stafford

 

[grandy]

Finally got some more details on the Jarrad Davis signing.

https://twitter.com/ChrisBurkeNFL/status/1508832289970601994?s=20&t=ooSCZSD3Qr5j7vGHPfd_ew

"Jarrad Davis' 2022 base salary is for the vet minimum ($1.035M). Over the Cap also shows him with a small roster bonus, so his cap hit is just a sliver north of that base salary."

With that salary, I don't have much of an issue. Low risk move, should be easily expendable

 

[LKP]

Finally got some more details on the Jarrad Davis signing.

https://twitter.com/ChrisBurkeNFL/status/1508832289970601994?s=20&t=ooSCZSD3Qr5j7vGHPfd_ew

"Jarrad Davis' 2022 base salary is for the vet minimum ($1.035M). Over the Cap also shows him with a small roster bonus, so his cap hit is just a sliver north of that base salary."

With that salary, I don't have much of an issue. Low risk move, should be easily expendable

Saleh basically came out and said he was hurt all year which is why he didn't do that well too.

He'll have his shot in this defense. They can still grab a ILB if they want too. I wonder if they'll use Davis on the edge at all at OLB. Would be interesting to see what he could do there

 

[LKP]

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2022...fielded-calls-picks-2-nfl-draft-talks-heat-up

Holmes got some prelim calls already for a trade from pick 2. More to come I hope

 

[LKP]

Lions picking up Hockenen 5th year option for 2023. 9.3 million. We got him for 2 more seasons now

 

[thehippo73]

I saw on Twitter that John Dorsey was in Cleveland today. I will lose my mind if he is talking about a trade for Baker.

 

[mhughes0021]

I saw on Twitter that John Dorsey was in Cleveland today. I will lose my mind if he is talking about a trade for Baker.

Baker is on the last year of his deal. His entire $18 mil salary this year is base salary. If traded im not sure how much of that can be paid by the former team...i think it all gets carried over to the new team. Not entire sure how that works.

Typically a last year contract can be had for super cheap. So if he somehow fit under our cap and we traded for him...your atleast getting a quality back up in 2022 for peanuts. Probably like a 5th or 6th rd pick. Not sure i would mind that if they can figure the money out and maybe have cleveland pay for a large chunk of that 18 mil...as i said not sure thats possible.

If you restructure his deal and resign him prior to trade you can definitely make that work. Youd have Goff and Baker camp battle. And then look to replace both of them as early as next year anyways lol.....i hate that if we did it.

 

[LKP]

Baker is on the last year of his deal. His entire $18 mil salary this year is base salary. If traded im not sure how much of that can be paid by the former team...i think it all gets carried over to the new team. Not entire sure how that works.

Typically a last year contract can be had for super cheap. So if he somehow fit under our cap and we traded for him...your atleast getting a quality back up in 2022 for peanuts. Probably like a 5th or 6th rd pick. Not sure i would mind that if they can figure the money out and maybe have cleveland pay for a large chunk of that 18 mil...as i said not sure thats possible.

If you restructure his deal and resign him prior to trade you can definitely make that work. Youd have Goff and Baker camp battle. And then look to replace both of them as early as next year anyways lol.....i hate that if we did it.

Brock Osweiler type trade. Browns give us a decent pick like a 2nd or 3rd for us to take on Baker's salary or most of it maybe. But yeah Lions could extend or restructure with void years or something to lower the 18 million if the Browns don't take on any of the salary. Baker is kind of a head case though, don't know how much that would disrupt the culture of the team or piss Goff off. Holmes doubled down on Goff with his latest comments

Lions need about 10 million for draft really and have 20 million. Someone would need to be restructured or extended with void years. Browns still have 2nd rounder, 3rd, 3rd comp and 4th rounder

Browns have on 5th year option so get no benefit from cutting him. Take on the full 18 dead.

That cap space lost would kind of hurt though. Lessens our carryover which takes from 2023 and a restructure would also lose less cap space in 2023 and beyond maybe. Talking 2 maybe 3 FAs lost in 2023 for a 3rd round pick maybe and Baker (who you would have to resign)

 

[tomdalton22]

Brock Osweiler type trade. Browns give us a decent pick like a 2nd or 3rd for us to take on Baker's salary or most of it maybe. But yeah Lions could extend or restructure with void years or something to lower the 18 million if the Browns don't take on any of the salary. Baker is kind of a head case though, don't know how much that would disrupt the culture of the team or piss Goff off. Holmes doubled down on Goff with his latest comments

Lions need about 10 million for draft really and have 20 million. Someone would need to be restructured or extended with void years. Browns still have 2nd rounder, 3rd, 3rd comp and 4th rounder

The Browns aren't going to give away a 2nd or 3rd for someone to take him off their hands. Baker is a decent QB. Brock Oswieler was a turd. The Browns will likely get a 2nd or 3rd for Baker. Or they could just keep him and wait for a QB injury...kind of like when Bradford was traded to the Vikings when Bridgewater got hurt.

 

[LKP]

The Browns aren't going to give away a 2nd or 3rd for someone to take him off their hands. Baker is a decent QB. Brock Oswieler was a turd. The Browns will likely get a 2nd or 3rd for Baker. Or they could just keep him and wait for a QB injury...kind of like when Bradford was traded to the Vikings when Bridgewater got hurt.

Would be shocked if someone gave up that for him given his attitude.

I like that you said he is a decent QB though. Goff has a better QB rating 3 of the last 4 years. Goff a good QB then?

 

[tomdalton22]

Would be shocked if someone gave up that for him given his attitude.

I like that you said he is a decent QB though. Goff has a better QB rating 3 of the last 4 years. Goff a good QB then?

no, they are both decent. I would agree that Goff is probably a little better. I don't think either are good, certainly not QBs that you would build a team around.

 

[LKP]

no, they are both decent. I would agree that Goff is probably a little better. I don't think either are good, certainly not QBs that you would build a team around.

Goff would be the top pick in this QB class. Was first overall in 2016. Maybe you do build around a guy like that. Lions are for one more year. Either way Goff or rookie, you are still building. With Goff, you don't even use a pick but do use more cap space

Let's see what this stud Oline can do when healthy, Chark, Reynolds, St Brown, Hock is more than decent, borderline good if Chark and Hock stay healthy. RBs are solid. Goff gets his last chance to shine like 2017/2018

 

[503]

Goff would be the top pick in this QB class. Was first overall in 2016. Maybe you do build around a guy like that. Lions are for one more year. Either way Goff or rookie, you are still building. With Goff, you don't even use a pick but do use more cap space

Let's see what this stud Oline can do when healthy, Chark, Reynolds, St Brown, Hock is more than decent, borderline good if Chark and Hock stay healthy. RBs are solid. Goff gets his last chance to shine like 2017/2018

Knowing what we know, Goff would not be the #1 QB in this draft. The sooner we move on from Goff the better the franchise will be. As long as he?s in a Lions uniform, he?ll be an excuse for another ?rebuild? year.

Last year was year 1, this year is year 2. If we?re still in rebuild in year 3, people need to lose jobs.

 

[LKP]

Knowing what we know, Goff would not be the #1 QB in this draft. The sooner we move on from Goff the better the franchise will be. As long as he?s in a Lions uniform, he?ll be an excuse for another ?rebuild? year.

Last year was year 1, this year is year 2. If we?re still in rebuild in year 3, people need to lose jobs.

Knowing his skillset and 2 100 qb rating seasons
.top pick

 

[503]

Knowing his skillset and 2 100 qb rating seasons
.top pick

And the super bowl champs benched his weak ass in a playoff game then traded him?.he?s trash.

 

[tomdalton22]

I wouldn't call him trash. He's a middle of the road QB.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

I wouldn't call him trash. He's a middle of the road QB.

Exactly. He played much better in the 2nd half of the season, when DC was calling plays.

I know it?s weird, but I am actually looking forward to see what Goff can do with a new OC and a healthy, overall more talented receiving corps.

I don?t think he?s going to magically become Patrick Mahomes but I could reasonably see 4000 yards, 28 TD?s.

 

[tomdalton22]

Exactly. He played much better in the 2nd half of the season, when DC was calling plays.

I know it?s weird, but I am actually looking forward to see what Goff can do with a new OC and a healthy, overall more talented receiving corps.

I don?t think he?s going to magically become Patrick Mahomes but I could reasonably see 4000 yards, 28 TD?s.

4000 yards is about 234 yards per game (playing all 17) which is middle of the pack (Matt Ryan ranked 15th with 233.4) 28 TDs would have been 10th last year.