Article On Lions Cap Trouble

[lions2011]

gimme the pep talk next year when Staffords agent wants 20 million a year.

Tell him to look Aaron Rodgers contract right now and get back to us.

he is playing on a contract he signed in 2008....Rodgers is going to get PAID very very soon.

 

[lionskillpack]

Tell him to look Aaron Rodgers contract right now and get back to us.

he is playing on a contract he signed in 2008....Rodgers is going to get PAID very very soon.

And Stafford already made a boat load on a ridiculous rookie year deal unlike Rodgers who is playing on a discount still and not complaining even after a Super Bowl. Brady took a discount his first big contract to help the Pats. If Stafford wants the Lions to be competitive well, 20 million is not on the table.

 

[lions2011]

he is playing on a contract he signed in 2008....Rodgers is going to get PAID very very soon.

And Stafford already made a boat load on a ridiculous rookie year deal unlike Rodgers who is playing on a discount still and not complaining even after a Super Bowl. Brady took a discount his first big contract to help the Pats. If Stafford wants the Lions to be competitive well, 20 million is not on the table.

watch and see what Brees gets....then we'll talk Stafford.

dont compare him to a guy who signed his contract before Stafford was even drafted...lol

doesn't work that way.

 

[lp4ever41]

People should remember that new contracts are usually light early on.

Lets say Avril signs a 5 year, $40 million dollar deal with a $20 million dollar signing bonus. The salaries, by year, would probably be something like $1 mil, $3 mil, $4 mil, $5 mil, $7 mil. Add a $4 mil cap hit per year for the signing bonus, and you see that his first year only hits $5 million, even though he's getting $8 million per year.

Deals usually work something like this. Houston counted $2 million last year, and $4 million this year.

This hurts the Lions in the future, but the cap should go up a lot in the future, and teams prepare for that.

So, signing guys like Avril and Tulloch won't hurt the Lions this year as much as people think. Both can easily be brought back if Calvin is restructured. Its not all gloom and doom.

gimme the pep talk next year when Staffords agent wants 20 million a year.

He'll get paid. No doubt. But thats next year. Isn't the cap going to go up like $20 million? They'll deal with it then.

 

[lionsFTW]

Wright,Hill,Harris and Coleman are already off the books. They are part of the 15 million under starting point so they offer no addition savings. One of Coleman,Harris is a possibility or a draft pick or if Ricardo Silva developed enough. Draft pick and Silva would be 500 K cheaper. However, I don't think any of them will be back. Shaun Hill depending how much he wants to be a backup. Stanton no thanks.

Calvin is priority number 1 and they are working on it. And it's a good thing for many reasons, helps with the cap and secures Calvin long term which is huge.

I understand their off the books. What I meant was that a guy like Wright made ~3.5mill this year and will want to come back at at least that next year. We go the route of signing a serviceable vet for ~1.5-2mill and that saves us ~2mill to be put somewhere else.

Same for Hill. He made ~3mill last year and will want at least that. Stanton knows Lenehan's system very well and we could have him back for half that price. Draft a rookie late on day 3 and now your talking about having ~2mill total in your backup QB positions as opposed to having 3+ mill just signing Hill and that saves us money.

I just did a quick check on Chris Harris and you're right. I thought he still had two years left when we picked him up be he only had one. Him or Coleman back at the minimum is fine IMO.

 

[lp4ever41]

Wright,Hill,Harris and Coleman are already off the books. They are part of the 15 million under starting point so they offer no addition savings. One of Coleman,Harris is a possibility or a draft pick or if Ricardo Silva developed enough. Draft pick and Silva would be 500 K cheaper. However, I don't think any of them will be back. Shaun Hill depending how much he wants to be a backup. Stanton no thanks.

Calvin is priority number 1 and they are working on it. And it's a good thing for many reasons, helps with the cap and secures Calvin long term which is huge.

I understand their off the books. What I meant was that a guy like Wright made ~3.5mill this year and will want to come back at at least that next year. We go the route of signing a serviceable vet for ~1.5-2mill and that saves us ~2mill to be put somewhere else.

Same for Hill. He made ~3mill last year and will want at least that. Stanton knows Lenehan's system very well and we could have him back for half that price. Draft a rookie late on day 3 and now your talking about having ~2mill total in your backup QB positions as opposed to having 3+ mill just signing Hill and that saves us money.

I just did a quick check on Chris Harris and you're right. I thought he still had two years left when we picked him up be he only had one. Him or Coleman back at the minimum is fine IMO.

Nobody is giving Eric Wright $3.5 million a year after he had a terrible year and there are plenty of other options in FA. He had more value last year. 2 bad seasons in a row is much worse than just 1.

Also, doubt Hill gets $3 million. He's a ways down on the FA QB list, and thats before the draft. I think he signs for about $1.5 with Detroit.

Harris is gone. Coleman might be back if he looks healthy, but I could see the Lions looking for an upgrade in the draft of FA and rolling with him + Delmas + Spivey + Wendling.

 

[lionskillpack]

I agree I don't think Wright and Shaun Hill were worth what they were paid last year. Hill is iffy on being back, Lions are talking to him so we shall see. I dont' want him back at 3 million.

I think the Lions draft a corner in Round 1 or Round 2. Sick of these short term options. If they don't have the money for Finnegan or Carr don't bother.

 

[lionsFTW]

Well to steal a line from Slick, you come find me when the combination of Hill + Wright gets less than 5 mill next year.

Players salaries trend up for the most part. While I agree with you Wright doesn't deserve a pay increase hes not going to come back here and potentially be a starter again for less than he made last year. Just wont happen. If he takes less it will be to go somewhere else and start fresh.

Hill on the other hand may take a slight pay reduction but not because his skill set is declining. He is one of the better back ups in the league. The only reason we might get lucky is because him and Lenehan are boys and hes very very familiar with his system. The average salary for a backup NFL QB was a shade under 2 mill last year. On the open market Hill gets his 3 mill easily.

 

[lions2011]

Hill will be back...the Lions love him , he's a good soldier , knows his role , doesn't make waves , knows the offense and players and is capable.

 

[lionsFTW]

Impending free agent QB Shaun Hill would like to return to the Lions, but the two sides have yet to talk contract.
Turning 32 next week, this could be Hill's last opportunity to compete for a starting job on the open market. "I told myself I would decide that after this year," said Hill. "I haven't put any thought into it."

Basically if hes content to be a backup our staff loves him and hopefully he'll come back on the cheap. If he wants to go somewhere he can compete, welp, that's certainly not here and we can't pay him what somebody else in that situation can. If he wants the money its there though.

 

[lions2011]

Impending free agent QB Shaun Hill would like to return to the Lions, but the two sides have yet to talk contract.
Turning 32 next week, this could be Hill's last opportunity to compete for a starting job on the open market. "I told myself I would decide that after this year," said Hill. "I haven't put any thought into it."

Basically if hes content to be a backup our staff loves him and hopefully he'll come back on the cheap. If he wants to go somewhere he can compete, welp, that's certainly not here and we can't pay him what somebody else in that situation can. If he wants the money its there though.

dude they aren't going into 2012 with Drew Stanton as the #2...I will GUARANSHEED that with my life.

 

[lp4ever41]

Well to steal a line from Slick, you come find me when the combination of Hill + Wright gets less than 5 mill next year.

Players salaries trend up for the most part. While I agree with you Wright doesn't deserve a pay increase hes not going to come back here and potentially be a starter again for less than he made last year. Just wont happen. If he takes less it will be to go somewhere else and start fresh.

Hill on the other hand may take a slight pay reduction but not because his skill set is declining. He is one of the better back ups in the league. The only reason we might get lucky is because him and Lenehan are boys and hes very very familiar with his system. The average salary for a backup NFL QB was a shade under 2 mill last year. On the open market Hill gets his 3 mill easily.

YOU come find ME when Eric Wright signs a deal worth $3.5+ million per year. If he couldn't get it last year, how is he going to get it when the market for FAs is worse, the cap isn't going up, and his stock has dropped further? Plus, with the draft AFTER FA this year, teams won't be as desperate to fill their remaining holes in FA. Not even the Raiders are stupid enough to give Wright the money you're suggesting.

 

[lp4ever41]

Impending free agent QB Shaun Hill would like to return to the Lions, but the two sides have yet to talk contract.
Turning 32 next week, this could be Hill's last opportunity to compete for a starting job on the open market. "I told myself I would decide that after this year," said Hill. "I haven't put any thought into it."

Basically if hes content to be a backup our staff loves him and hopefully he'll come back on the cheap. If he wants to go somewhere he can compete, welp, that's certainly not here and we can't pay him what somebody else in that situation can. If he wants the money its there though.

dude they aren't going into 2012 with Drew Stanton as the #2...I will GUARANSHEED that with my life.

+1

 

[lionsFTW]

Look I'm not some sparty fan clamoring for Stanton. I hated the pick. The only reason hes even in the equation is because hes been in the system and knows how to run it. I could give a fuck less if its Kurt Warners wife who we sign as long as they know the playbook and aren't going to be a liability on the field.

This whole discussion is based on either Hill taking less than he made last year or finding somebody else who we can sign for less to run our system in case Staff gets hurt. That's it. Weather its Stanton or anybody else, I could give a shit!

As far as Wright goes I AGREE. I think the dude is trash and wouldn't want him back irregardless. I'm just saying he's very unlikely to return here for less money than last year and I certainly don't want to pay him what we payed last year.

 

[lions2011]

Look I'm not some sparty fan clamoring for Stanton. I hated the pick. The only reason hes even in the equation is because hes been in the system and knows how to run it. I could give a fuck less if its Kurt Warners wife who we sign as long as they know the playbook and aren't going to be a liability on the field.

This whole discussion is based on either Hill taking less than he made last year or finding somebody else who we can sign for less to run our system in case Staff gets hurt. That's it. Weather its Stanton or anybody else, I could give a shit!

As far as Wright goes I AGREE. I think the dude is trash and wouldn't want him back irregardless. I'm just saying he's very unlikely to return here for less money than last year and I certainly don't want to pay him what we payed last year.

there ya go then...if it isn't Hill expect the anybody else.

 

[lionskillpack]

Look I'm not some sparty fan clamoring for Stanton. I hated the pick. The only reason hes even in the equation is because hes been in the system and knows how to run it. I could give a fuck less if its Kurt Warners wife who we sign as long as they know the playbook and aren't going to be a liability on the field.

This whole discussion is based on either Hill taking less than he made last year or finding somebody else who we can sign for less to run our system in case Staff gets hurt. That's it. Weather its Stanton or anybody else, I could give a shit!

As far as Wright goes I AGREE. I think the dude is trash and wouldn't want him back irregardless. I'm just saying he's very unlikely to return here for less money than last year and I certainly don't want to pay him what we payed last year.

there ya go then...if it isn't Hill expect the anybody else.

Kirk Cousins in Round 4 to satisfy Sparty nation lol

 

[cheeno]

there ya go then...if it isn't Hill expect the anybody else.

Kirk Cousins in Round 4 to satisfy Sparty nation lol

He'll be gone before then.

 

[lions2011]

Cousins had a real good week in Mobile and if he trends upwards at the combine as expected he'll be a for sure Day 2 pick.

 

[Mitchrapp]

If Hill is gone, go with a late round QB that has good measurable's. Size and a big arm that could be the #2. Stanton is no better than a number 3, anywhere.

 

[martmay]

what are the tender amounts? I see Levy and SLH are RFA.