Avril Whoring Himself

[lionsFTW]

I'm with you Tony but I understand the logic of not ponying up what somebody else might offer. Lets look at the situation and assess it honestly and logically.

KVB is one year away from the glue factory and should only be our 3rd or 4th DE at this point.

I like Young a lot but I'm not necessarily ready to rely on him for 1/2 of the snaps at one of our DE positions. Hes a good situational rusher that has a really high ceiling for a 7th rounder, no more at this point.

LoJack is what he is. I see people thinking he can somehow blossom into some stud or something but hes an average to slightly better than average LE. Great guy to have in the rotation because he plays with a high motor but hes a mediocre athlete that's never going to dominate anybody physically.

And to those that say well hey, LoJack can play the run better! That's kind of an overblown point as the scheme we currently run (and aren't changing this coming year) requires our DE's to over pursue most every snap so Cliff in a lot of ways is a better fit schematically. He gets up field and causes the QB to step up in the pocket where the monster core of Suh, SLH, and Fairley ( I say these three cause I think Corey kinda has to be a cap casualty) is supposed to wreak havoc.

If Cliff really thinks he can get Tamba Hali money then let him try cause it shouldn't happen and if somebody is crazy enough to break the bank on him then woteva! If he is willing to accept a fair market contract though, to stay with this core of guys and take the 3-5 year, 7-9 million dollar a year deal then lets keep this thing progressing.

 

[lp4ever41]

Ok, i understand that but please don't tell me that the combination of Young and Jackson gets everybody all warm and fuzzy inside. That worries me actually.
What do we do then in the draft? KVB is good for what, 1-2 more years, right? Avril is maybe gone. Do we draft a stud DE at #23? Will there even be a 'stud' DE at #23? I'm just looking at the big picture, bro, because there is nobody even worth a spit in the FA pool of DE's, is there? Maybe i overlooked someone, idk, but i don't want to start over from scratch on that DL when finally it looks like they have something there. This is actually starting to make me worry.....

Convince me, my brother!!! Make this fn anxiety go away!!

I'm with you, the Avril situation is tricky. If we let Avril walk and Lojack/Young don't pan out then within the next couple years we'll have to somehow pick up 2 new DEs. That would set our D-line back quite a bit.

I don't really know a ton about contracts but would releasing Corey Williams be an option? I think we have enough other talent at the DT position that it'd be worth releasing him if it meant helping get Avril the contract he wants. I'd think that doing so and restructuring a couple contracts would give some wiggle room.

Then again, I'm really not interested in signing any big name FAs this year... focus more on consistency and resigning the guys we have (Tulloch and Avril especially). Hopefully try to build up the secondary/Oline through the draft and maybe a couple smaller signings.

Cutting Corey Williams saves $4.9 million. Decent chance it happens.

 

[lions2011]

I'm with you, the Avril situation is tricky. If we let Avril walk and Lojack/Young don't pan out then within the next couple years we'll have to somehow pick up 2 new DEs. That would set our D-line back quite a bit.

I don't really know a ton about contracts but would releasing Corey Williams be an option? I think we have enough other talent at the DT position that it'd be worth releasing him if it meant helping get Avril the contract he wants. I'd think that doing so and restructuring a couple contracts would give some wiggle room.

Then again, I'm really not interested in signing any big name FAs this year... focus more on consistency and resigning the guys we have (Tulloch and Avril especially). Hopefully try to build up the secondary/Oline through the draft and maybe a couple smaller signings.

Cutting Corey Williams saves $4.9 million. Decent chance it happens.

he is pretty much the only guy on the roster who makes anything worth a damn that doesn't hit our cap if let go...if they're looking to shed $$$ he is the #1 guy on the list.

 

[mhughes0021]

you can't pay everyone bro.....especially having a #1 pick and 2 number 2 picks so close to each other you are going to run into $$$$ problems sooner or later.

restructuring is going to pay a hug part in if they can afford to bring back Cliff at the $$$$ he is looking for.

Ok, i understand that but please don't tell me that the combination of Young and Jackson gets everybody all warm and fuzzy inside. That worries me actually.
What do we do then in the draft? KVB is good for what, 1-2 more years, right? Avril is maybe gone. Do we draft a stud DE at #23? Will there even be a 'stud' DE at #23? I'm just looking at the big picture, bro, because there is nobody even worth a spit in the FA pool of DE's, is there? Maybe i overlooked someone, idk, but i don't want to start over from scratch on that DL when finally it looks like they have something there. This is actually starting to make me worry.....

Convince me, my brother!!! Make this fn anxiety go away!!

lojack and young will do fine but are a stop gap. Position needs to get better. I love mercilus at 23. Has the size and speed to be perfect along that line.

 

[lp4ever41]

Cutting Corey Williams saves $4.9 million. Decent chance it happens.

he is pretty much the only guy on the roster who makes anything worth a damn that doesn't hit our cap if let go...if they're looking to shed $$$ he is the #1 guy on the list.

I think they may ask him to take a pay cut first. Maybe shave off $3 million? The market is gonna be flooded with FAs this year, an aging, above-average DT who only fits 4-3 defenses is not gonna get more than $2 million.

 

[biggunsbob]

As Much as I like KVB should'nt the Lions save money and go with the younger guys.. I mean it is a deep postion for us.

 

[lionsFTW]

he has a pretty big cap hit for us weather hes on the roster or not and hes a good locker room guy who still plays decent. unless he's willing to walk away from $$$ hes probably gonna be here.

 

[tonyballs]

Ok, i understand that but please don't tell me that the combination of Young and Jackson gets everybody all warm and fuzzy inside. That worries me actually.
What do we do then in the draft? KVB is good for what, 1-2 more years, right? Avril is maybe gone. Do we draft a stud DE at #23? Will there even be a 'stud' DE at #23? I'm just looking at the big picture, bro, because there is nobody even worth a spit in the FA pool of DE's, is there? Maybe i overlooked someone, idk, but i don't want to start over from scratch on that DL when finally it looks like they have something there. This is actually starting to make me worry.....

Convince me, my brother!!! Make this fn anxiety go away!!

lojack and young will do fine but are a stop gap. Position needs to get better. I love mercilus at 23. Has the size and speed to be perfect along that line.

Do fine? I don't like the sound of that whatsoever. As for Mercilus? I keep hearing he's a freak of an athlete and has the potential to put up astronomical numbers. Kinda reminds me of Aldon Smith actually, who i was kind of hoping we'd go after in the draft but he was snatched up early.

 

[lions2011]

biggunsbob[/color]]As Much as I like KVB should'nt the Lions save money and go with the younger guys.. I mean it is a deep postion for us.

how do you save money by taking a 7.7 million dollar cap hit ?

 

[lp4ever41]

biggunsbob[/color]]As Much as I like KVB should'nt the Lions save money and go with the younger guys.. I mean it is a deep postion for us.

how do you save money by taking a 7.7 million dollar cap hit ?

Is it all guaranteed? I thought it was about a $2,5 million cap hit this year from that signing bonus he got last year. I remember thinking we'd save a little over $3 million by cutting him, and he's certainly worth more than that. Did anything change?

Either way, he's not going anywhere. Corey Williams is the man on cut-watch.

 

[lions2011]

how do you save money by taking a 7.7 million dollar cap hit ?

Is it all guaranteed? I thought it was about a $2,5 million cap hit this year from that signing bonus he got last year. I remember thinking we'd save a little over $3 million by cutting him, and he's certainly worth more than that. Did anything change?

Either way, he's not going anywhere. Corey Williams is the man on cut-watch.

everything I read is either 5 million or the full boat 7.7....Ifind differing numbers on different sites.

but I agree they won't cut him...they cant eat any money and he is still productive.

 

[biggunsbob]

biggunsbob[/color]]As Much as I like KVB should'nt the Lions save money and go with the younger guys.. I mean it is a deep postion for us.

how do you save money by taking a 7.7 million dollar cap hit ?

Thats why I ask the board Slick.. I don't know who has what contract.. If he is under contract then you don't cut them.. You could have just said... Bob he is still under contract. I don't follow contract figures like you do and that is why i trust you and other guys to set the record straight. If it was posted above i missed it... Sorry about that...

Then keep KVB and Tag Cliff.

 

[dannydiggler]

biggunsbob[/color]]

how do you save money by taking a 7.7 million dollar cap hit ?

Thats why I ask the board Slick.. I don't know who has what contract.. If he is under contract then you don't cut them.. You could have just said... Bob he is still under contract. I don't follow contract figures like you do and that is why i trust you and other guys to set the record straight. If it was posted above i missed it... Sorry about that...

Then keep KVB and Tag Cliff.

A few others have said the same thing you did and it's been talked about quite a bit. Not a big deal though, I'm sure he loves being a smart ass anytime he's given the opportunity.

 

[lions2011]

Danny Diggler[/color]]
[quote="biggunsbob":sgurykf1]


Thats why I ask the board Slick.. I don't know who has what contract.. If he is under contract then you don't cut them.. You could have just said... Bob he is still under contract. I don't follow contract figures like you do and that is why i trust you and other guys to set the record straight. If it was posted above i missed it... Sorry about that...

Then keep KVB and Tag Cliff.

A few others have said the same thing you did and it's been talked about quite a bit. Not a big deal though, I'm sure he loves being a smart ass anytime he's given the opportunity. [/quote:sgurykf1]


it's been talked about to much actually....the only guy on the DLINE that can be cut without a hit is Williams.

KVB restructured unless he does it again which wont happen , he will be here in 2012 and most likely be gone in 2013.

to sign Avril , CJ has to be re-done.

it was posted in an article the other day...the Lions have without restructuring anyone about 16 million to sign all their Free Agents and add any they'd like to shop for

 

[lp4ever41]

Danny Diggler[/color]]

A few others have said the same thing you did and it's been talked about quite a bit. Not a big deal though, I'm sure he loves being a smart ass anytime he's given the opportunity.

it's been talked about to much actually....the only guy on the DLINE that can be cut without a hit is Williams.

KVB restructured unless he does it again which wont happen , he will be here in 2012 and most likely be gone in 2013.

to sign Avril , CJ has to be re-done.

it was posted in an article the other day...the Lions have without restructuring anyone about 16 million to sign all their Free Agents and add any they'd like to shop for

And people don't realize how much we have to do:
Tulloch, Backus, Hill need to be re-signed. Levy and SLH will get tendered. Kevin Smith will probably be back. All of that, plus filling out the roster + draft picks, pretty much eats up that money.

If CJ isn't re-structured, Avril is not coming back. And if Avril is back, we have no room to grab other FAs (like a corner) unless Corey Williams is cut.

I feel like we have about 10 threads talking about all of this. Endless.

 

[tonyballs]

Then re-structure Avril.

 

[lionsFTW]

The truth is were not going to be a very different team from last year in terms of personal aside from like maybe swapping out Wright for another vet corner or maybe Cliff not coming back and that would free up a little money but besides that its gonna look very similar plus whatever rooks we draft.

That's why I keep making little comments about us progressing. We either get better with the players we have in the scheme we run or we're gonna be in this little 10-6 bubble where we bust out of the playoffs in the wild card for the next couple years because we're not good enough to run with the big dogs until we flush a couple of them retarded max rookie contracts out of our cap system from drafting in the top 5 for a decade.

Mayhew can only do so much this year and imo hes been a fucking genius in terms of turning this roster over from where we were in 2008, so I trust him to make the right calls.

 

[lionsFTW]

A side note is we can let Shaun Hill walk, resign Stanton because he knows the system well and then go with a late round rookie to groom as the back-up and that would save us ~3 mill. Its just a question of weather the front office and Lenehan are comfortable enough with Stanton but its def an option to saving a few $$$.

 

[lions2011]

A side note is we can let Shaun Hill walk, resign Stanton because he knows the system well and then go with a late round rookie to groom as the back-up and that would save us ~3 mill. Its just a question of weather the front office and Lenehan are comfortable enough with Stanton but its def an option to saving a few $$$.

ya that isn't happening....Stanton didn't get out of street clothes this year.

Hills the 2012 back-up

 

[lionsFTW]

I agree its very likely they want Hill back as imo hes arguably one of the best back-ups in the league and he has a great rapport with Lenehan. Like I said though, that call comes down to Mayhew and Lenehan. If Lenehan says he can swing it with Stanton and Martin thinks the money can be better spent then its def an option.