Welcome to Detroit Sports Forum!

By joining our community, you'll be able to connect with fellow fans that live and breathe Detroit sports just like you!

Get Started
  • If you are no longer able to access your account since our recent switch from vBulletin to XenForo, you may need to reset your password via email. If you no longer have access to the email attached to your account, please fill out our contact form and we will assist you ASAP. Thanks for your continued support of DSF.

Brett Kavanaugh

And what's so terrible about changing the subject when you're already talking about the NRA in a Kavanaugh thread? You mentioned something that reminded me of a previous conversation. I don't think I resurrected that thread when the story came out about how everybody pointing to the single digit millions was painting an inaccurate picture. Maybe I did. I don't know. But either way, what's the big deal?
 
this is probably a good thing. People drink too much beer anyway. Climate change will save lives.
 
this is probably a good thing. People drink too much beer anyway. Climate change will save lives.

The studies show the impact will happen decades from now, and focuses on places like Ireland and the Czech Republic.

I almost only drink domestic beer, and by the time it's a problem I'll be safely dead anyway.
 
Kavablaaagh already making things worse.

was reading his opinion on government detention in a case about a week ago. He's just a shameless authoritarian, (as long as the authority isn't being used against him).

Even Gorsuch was skeptical of the government's position. supports my inkling that given his history, Kavanaugh is going to be uniquely bad and incompetent at his job.
 
Kavablaaagh already making things worse.

was reading his opinion on government detention in a case about a week ago. He's just a shameless authoritarian, (as long as the authority isn't being used against him).

Even Gorsuch was skeptical of the government's position. supports my inkling that given his history, Kavanaugh is going to be uniquely bad and incompetent at his job.

where incompetent = disagreeing with a bloviating partisan hack with a third tier law degree and no significant career accomplishments.
 
Late to this party since I haven't checked this board in a long time. Is there anyone who actually believes Kavanaugh didnt lie under oath? Theres really no incentive for Ford to lie, shes essentially ruined her life by coming forward, she doesnt seem like someone who craves the spotlight and shes been quiet since the hearings. Did she start to conjure up this story 6 years ago in cae Kavanaugh was nominated?

If she made the story up, why place mark judge in the room? It would be easier to fabricate a story if it was one on one, he said she said.

If you're believing the mistaken identity thing, she did say she was 100% certain. If you're buying this, then you're believing that she didnt just mistake one person but two.

Now Kavanaugh had huge incentive to lie, there was a lifetime achievement to one of the most important jobs in the country. He cant place himself at the party and in the room because thats a verbal minefield, so I believe hes just chosen to lie about it. Hes following the trump playbook on accusations, never apologize, deny, go on the offensive and attack other people to deflect.

I think it's highly likely that the incident in question wasn't anything criminal. Kavanaugh seems like a character out of animal house back when that was more acceptable, not a crime, he was just kind of a drunk prick when he was young. That shouldn't disqualify him but lying under oath certainly should.



Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
 
Late to this party since I haven't checked this board in a long time. Is there anyone who actually believes Kavanaugh didnt lie under oath? Theres really no incentive for Ford to lie, shes essentially ruined her life by coming forward, she doesnt seem like someone who craves the spotlight and shes been quiet since the hearings. Did she start to conjure up this story 6 years ago in cae Kavanaugh was nominated?

If she made the story up, why place mark judge in the room? It would be easier to fabricate a story if it was one on one, he said she said.

If you're believing the mistaken identity thing, she did say she was 100% certain. If you're buying this, then you're believing that she didnt just mistake one person but two.

Now Kavanaugh had huge incentive to lie, there was a lifetime achievement to one of the most important jobs in the country. He cant place himself at the party and in the room because thats a verbal minefield, so I believe hes just chosen to lie about it. Hes following the trump playbook on accusations, never apologize, deny, go on the offensive and attack other people to deflect.

I think it's highly likely that the incident in question wasn't anything criminal. Kavanaugh seems like a character out of animal house back when that was more acceptable, not a crime, he was just kind of a drunk prick when he was young. That shouldn't disqualify him but lying under oath certainly should.



Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

No but without collaborating proof we are all innocent until proven guilty! It’s not about what we think is true and false conviction isn’t based on opinion!

if it can be proven then they’d have right to impeech, until then the decision was proper
 
Last edited:
Late to this party since I haven't checked this board in a long time. Is there anyone who actually believes Kavanaugh didnt lie under oath? Theres really no incentive for Ford to lie, shes essentially ruined her life by coming forward, she doesnt seem like someone who craves the spotlight and shes been quiet since the hearings. Did she start to conjure up this story 6 years ago in cae Kavanaugh was nominated?

If she made the story up, why place mark judge in the room? It would be easier to fabricate a story if it was one on one, he said she said.

If you're believing the mistaken identity thing, she did say she was 100% certain. If you're buying this, then you're believing that she didnt just mistake one person but two.

Now Kavanaugh had huge incentive to lie, there was a lifetime achievement to one of the most important jobs in the country. He cant place himself at the party and in the room because thats a verbal minefield, so I believe hes just chosen to lie about it. Hes following the trump playbook on accusations, never apologize, deny, go on the offensive and attack other people to deflect.

I think it's highly likely that the incident in question wasn't anything criminal. Kavanaugh seems like a character out of animal house back when that was more acceptable, not a crime, he was just kind of a drunk prick when he was young. That shouldn't disqualify him but lying under oath certainly should.



Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

me, I believe he didn't lie under oath. Is there anyone who believes Ford told the truth? As a pussy hat wearing, open borders, Trump hating activist who deleted all her social media a few days before her name was released and who met w/ Dem strategists and their lawyers instead of law enforcement, she lied under oath about her fear of flying, about her knowledge and advice she'd given about lie detectors. She was prepped by her friend in the FBI who she coached on taking lie detector tests. She's not credible, at all.
 
Last edited:
No but without collaborating proof we are all innocent until proven guilty! It?s not about what we think is true and false conviction isn?t based on opinion!

if it can be proven then they?d have right to impeech, until then the decision was proper


it's "corroborating" proof.



Also, first person testimony isn't "opinion." It came down to her word versus his. And they railroaded him through, and then railroaded a bunch of other unqualified district court judges through because Chuck Schumer is a spineless weasel.
 
No but without collaborating proof we are all innocent until proven guilty! It?s not about what we think is true and false conviction isn?t based on opinion!

if it can be proven then they?d have right to impeech, until then the decision was proper


Innocent until proven guilty is a provision of criminal trials, the senate hearings amount to a job interview.

I'm not sure what impeachment has to do with the discussion, that isn't happening. Of course the Democrats could successfully impeach Trump if they win the house, but you need 60 votes to convict in the Senate, which will never happen.
 
me, I believe he didn't lie under oath. Is there anyone who believes Ford told the truth?

If you claim that she’s lying, not knowing much about a human being, what is the probability that someone would destroy their life by going public with a false accusation? Why would she choose to tarnish the reputation of two men by making a false accusation? What is there to gain? Where is the incentive to lie? You can make a claim that she’s seeking fame or a book deal, but this is an extraordinary unlikely thing to do. if you know more about the person, you could think she was a fame seeking person? Did she come across that way? She acted in the opposite manner, she couldn’t get away from the lights and camera fast enough. It seems strange that she would be talking about this problem for 6 years prior just in case Kavanaugh was lying. If you were going to lie about this, would you place a witness in the room? If you put Mark Judge in the room, that person would likely be hostile to these accusations, she encouraged the FBI to talk to him. If you’re going to make something up, this is a horrible way to go about it.

All of the incentives to lie are for Kavanaugh. It seems like he spent most of high school and college as a drunk, Christian, jock, a-hole. Everything he talked about in his yearbook and in other books is how much he drank when he was young, he was a binge drinker and a lot of us were, but it seemed central to his identity. Given the things we know about him from accounts and his yearbook, what’s the probability that he was inappropriate with girls? We know how drunk guys can find themselves in those situations in his frat house atmosphere. It’s not a low probability that he would behave badly with girls.

If she were lying, this would be astonishing given the lack of incentives and the consequences of coming forward. It would not be a reach to think that Kavanaugh would lie about things he did in his youth that would keep him off the court. All of the incentives align with Kavanaugh.

If you take the mistaken identity route, this is different than someone being attacked in an alley and picking someone out of a lineup like we’ve seen in movies. What is the likelihood of mis-identifying someone you already know in that situation? Much less two people? She was talking about making eye contact with the men, trying to read their demeanors, she knew who was on top of her and who was jumping off the bed. The idea that she would be mistaken seems farfetched.

Kavanaugh also said that he didn’t want further investigation of these charges, his behavior was incompatible with innocence. If you know this didn’t happen and this didn’t happen and she’s put another witness in the room, you want the FBI to talk to those people.

I think liberals and conservatives look at this a partisan fight. Liberals wanted to delay this nomination until after the mid terms where they have a small chance of re-taking the Senate, Conservatives wanted the opposite. Either way, it’s hard to really argue that Kavanaugh was telling the truth.
 
Last edited:
I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand.

I don't think I would compare congressional hearings to a job interview. I don't think you could go to jail if you lie in a job interview.

But I agree with the "innocent until proven guilty" part of it. That doesn't apply in those hearings.

Kavanaugh should not have been confirmed. There has to be 100's of conservative judges that could have been nominated that don't have the baggage.
 
I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand.

because people don't read or understand concepts, they just hear a sound byte from someone else. Accusations from 36 years ago aren't enough to put someone in jail, but it might keep you off the highest court. Doug Gisnberg withdrew his name from consideration for the Supreme court because he smoked marijuana 20 years prior.

Most people drank too much in college and did things in our past that would look bad in a senate hearing. The idea that we should abide by the criminal standard is ridiculous, it's not a criminal trial. the question isn't whether he should be put in jail for the rest of his life, there's little rational argument for that.

I think if you watched the hearing, no rational person should think that he belongs on the supreme court. All the stuff he said that he said about his yearbook appears to be a lie, he didn't have to lie about any of that stuff. What does "boof" mean? There's no situation where "boof" means flatulence, people who grew up in that era in that animal house culture knows what boof means. These lies aren't even close to believable.

This was a job interview, a bad one, but still an interview. it's entirely reasonable to believe that he didn't do anything illegal but he doesn't deserve the job based on his testimony and the blatant falsehoods.
 
Back
Top