Brett Kavanaugh

[Gulo Blue]

I remember once-it was years ago, maybe even going up to a decade ago-Thumb made a list of the conservatives on the board and it didn?t include you. I think he might have been responding to a T Smith question, ?are there any conservatives on this board?? or ?is this a completely liberal board??

You damn near ripped him a new asshole for that.

Ripping Tsmith sounds a lot more like me than ripping Thumb. I think I remember that thread. I do think of myself as conservative in a way, AI and tech progress is shifting some of my expectations about the long term, but I would still like to see less power concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. That used to mean just smaller government, but now I see big business and big government working together as the big scary force chipping away at our freedoms.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It's like Hollywood its not always good if you say you're a conservative. People come out of the wood works and say shit. Apparently saying you're a conservative or Christian is a bad thing. Plus it always leads to arguments.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Ripping Tsmith sounds a lot more like me than ripping Thumb. I think I remember that thread. I do think of myself as conservative in a way, AI and tech progress is shifting some of my expectations about the long term, but I would still like to see less power concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. That used to mean just smaller government, but now I see big business and big government working together as the big scary force chipping away at our freedoms.

You didn’t rip Thumb - was being tongue in cheek.

You did make a kind of make a humorous protestation though, for not being included on the list.

 

[sggatecl]

It's like Hollywood its not always good if you say you're a conservative. People come out of the wood works and say shit. Apparently saying you're a conservative or Christian is a bad thing. Plus it always leads to arguments.

Get the fuck out of here with the 'persecuted conservative Christian' bullshit. You're delusional.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Get the fuck out of here with the 'persecuted conservative Christian' bullshit. You're delusional.

I'm sorry but it was a conversation and was about an old thread I was referring to. You don't have to agree but you also don't need to be so nasty.

 

[Gulo Blue]

In 1958, people wanted their daughters to marry:
18%: a Democrat
10% a Republican
72%: didn't care


In 2016, people wanted their sons and daughters to marry:
28% Democrat
27% Republican
45% don't care


If I had similar numbers for religion, my guess would be that there's more preference flexibility with political party than with religion, but it feels to me like there's a lot more hostility right now associated with political party.

 

[tinselwolverine]

It's like Hollywood its not always good if you say you're a conservative. People come out of the wood works and say shit. Apparently saying you're a conservative or Christian is a bad thing. Plus it always leads to arguments.

sgg did kinda prove your point though - almost too well.

Did you guys set that up?

 

[Mitchrapp]

sgg did kinda prove your point though - almost too well.

Did you guys set that up?

No but I did see what you saw. No worries though.. Sgg is still a good guy in my book.

 

[Gulo Blue]

So here's something that sounds liberal, but I think it's relatively conservative: universal income.

Like half the country already isn't paying federal taxes (they do pay SS and medicare), people on disability is on the rise, and Obamacare feels unsustainable to me (and price hikes seems to be accelerating). If automation continues to put downward pressure on labor and breaks into the service industries in a significant way, I think we'll see more pressure decade after decade to roll out more safety nets and subsidies to help various parts of the economy and people that are are struggling. More big government.

To me, if you take the same amount of money out of a ton of subsidies and benefit programs and put it into universal income, that's a conservative move. The government has less say in where those dollars go and isn't picking winners and losers. It's a shift in decision making power from the government to the people. Feels socialist and socialists sometimes talk about it, but it's not (and socialists that think it is are wrong). The money isn't distributed according to need if it's just distributed evenly and the means of production is not determined or owned collectively. Blind universal income distributes economic power to the population without any of the mechanisms socialism promotes and without upsetting free market capitalism. I wouldn't push for it today, but I'm open to the idea if wealth concentration continues. If conservative means a desire for things to keep working the way they used to, any more wealth concentration beyond where we currently are isn't conservative. I think universal income could help us to get back to a more historic balance of power between special interests and the general population without upsetting free market principles or empowering the government to pick winners and losers.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Christian bashing feels very strong to me online and almost non-existent offline.


Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, it's feel very strong anywhere online that's anonymous, and it exists, but is more weak on facebook.

 

[tinselwolverine]

No need to quote the entirety of post 329.

I hear economists and futurists talking about this often - automation outproducing employment to meet the needs of a society.

So yes, we already have a whole huge social safety net, so I suppose if one day the needs of society are produced with an abundance with production requiring full employment, I would imagine people are not going to starve in the streets.

EDIT: Even though a person applies for unemployment to their state governments, unemployment is actually funded not by taxes but privately by employers through pooled unemployment insurance.

So I imagine that if it comes to it that automation produces abundantly for an entire society yet the society Simply cannot provide employment for everybody, probably something like unemployment distributions/unemployment insurance would be expanded.

 

[Gulo Blue]

No need the entirety of Text 329.

I hear economists and futurists talking about this often - AutoNation outproducing employment to meet the needs of a society.

So yes, we already have a whole huge social safety net, So I suppose if one day the needs of society are produced with an abundance Without production of requiring full employment, I would imagine people are not going to starve in the streets.

The short version is that it's conservative. Socialists that endorse it as socialist are wrong.

 

[tinselwolverine]

The short version is that it's conservative. Socialists that endorse it as socialist are wrong.

You quoted me before I got my edit up but you probably read it.

Makes sense it would be an expansion of unemployment insurance compensation, which is actually funded by private sector employers and not the government.

Pragmatically conservative, like Governor Kasich.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Pragmatically conservative, like Governor Kasich.

That guy is a jerk because he got me to vote for a buckeye.

 

[tinselwolverine]

He wanted to go to Michigan but his dad made him go to Ohio State.

Oh, wait… I’m thinking of Chris Spielman, who I’m listening to on television calling the Detroit Lions Green Bay Packers game right now.

 

[sggatecl]

I'm sorry but it was a conversation and was about an old thread I was referring to. You don't have to agree but you also don't need to be so nasty.

You're right, I didn't. Sorry.

Christian bashing feels very strong to me online and almost non-existent offline.


Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, it's feel very strong anywhere online that's anonymous, and it exists, but is more weak on facebook.

I would agree with that.

 

[tigermud]

No need to quote the entirety of post 329.

I hear economists and futurists talking about this often - automation outproducing employment to meet the needs of a society.

So yes, we already have a whole huge social safety net, so I suppose if one day the needs of society are produced with an abundance with production requiring full employment, I would imagine people are not going to starve in the streets.

EDIT: Even though a person applies for unemployment to their state governments, unemployment is actually funded not by taxes but privately by employers through pooled unemployment insurance.

So I imagine that if it comes to it that automation produces abundantly for an entire society yet the society Simply cannot provide employment for everybody, probably something like unemployment distributions/unemployment insurance would be expanded.

they call it the living wage, I call it equally assured misery

What is what is everybody to do after the robots take over.

 

[Gulo Blue]

they call it the living wage, I call it equally assured misery

What is what is everybody to do after the robots take over.

It's not about living wage. Robots keep getting cheaper either way. Higher labor costs can speed things up, but it's not going to have that big an impact. Trucking is one of the most common occupations in most states. #1 in a lot of states.

 

[Michchamp]

Christian bashing feels very strong to me online and almost non-existent offline.


Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, it's feel very strong anywhere online that's anonymous, and it exists, but is more weak on facebook.

What are you talking about?

 

[Gulo Blue]

What are you talking about?

Mostly, I'm talking about reddit and facebook. On facebook, I've got one friend that regularly posts things about religion being a mental illness and maybe a dozen that make suggestions, when they see something political they don't like, that it's the fault of religion. Meanwhile there are tons of people that say nothing about religion or say things celebrating their own. That's the middle ground.


Reddit has tons of people and tons of people that hate religions and their posts are often popular.