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The "Calvin bailing him out" argument doesn't hold water and never did. 41 TDs and 16 of those went to Calvin. He spread another 25 out to various targets.

A lot of QBs will never throw 25 in a season in a good year. That's what he threw to targets other than Calvin.

A lot of not very good QB's. 13 to be precise in 2014 threw 27 or more.
 
A lot of not very good QB's. 13 to be precise in 2014 threw 27 or more.

they threw 27. Now how many to their top target out of those 27.

I know Rivers had 12 to Gates. Tannehill 10 to Wallace. Romo to Dez. Big Ben to Brown?
 
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Yeah I don't really get what that means. About half the NFL QBs every season throw in the neighborhood of 22+ TDs.
 
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they threw 27. Now how many to their top target out of those 27.

I know Rivers had 12 to Gates. Tannehill 10 to Wallace. Romo to Dez. Big Ben to Brown?

Either I read Ink's post wrong or your message makes no sense.
 
Either I read Ink's post wrong or your message makes no sense.

Show me several QBs who threw 25 TDs to people which doesn't include their top weapons.

Rodgers had 38 this year. 13 went to Jordy. That leaves 25 others. 12 of those were Cobb.

Stafford was Burleson, Young, Pettigrew that year not Cobb
 
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Drop % by the way

Stafford 6% of attempts. Tannehill 4.9%. Stafford had to deal with more drops.

There lies the problem with drops. I know you love them, but different sites show different things. Stats Inc one of the leaders shows dolphins have more. PFF show something different...ok. So which one do you believe.

What did PFF rank Stafford as a total QB this year? What did they rate Tannehill?
 
Not that I want to sound like I agree with the crap LKP keeps leaking from his hole, but I do gotta say it's always struck me as odd the way the Stafford haters circle around the arguments to always be right.

When Stafford has played well, the argument is always "he doesn't win enough". And now we're using sacks, drops, etc... to argue why a QB who went .500 in his best season to date is the better QB.

Suddenly wins don't matter, all these other numbers do.

Two years ago Stafford was one of the least sacked QBs in the game, but after a year filled with offensive line injuries, suddenly we're talking about sacks like it's all on him.

To quote a popular internet saying... "haters gonna hate". No matter what the guy does, short of winning a Super Bowl (and maybe not even then) the people on this board that hate him are going to hate him, and are going to tailor every argument to whatever supports the conclusion that he sucks. And when that argument no longer works, they have a whole new argument that is a direct contradiction to the last argument.

He may be full of shit (he is) but at least LKP stays fairly consistent with his full of shit. I suppose it's not hard to do when you are always full of shit, but at least the guy maintains a cohesive argument and doesn't deviate every few months to change what is "relevant" to the conversation.

The thing is he is not consistent at all. Last year it was all about the PFF ranking, this year that is irrelevant and all that matters is a opinion on what is a true interception to him. What is that? One minute the team is crap around stafford, the next minute Mayhew has completed the best and deepest roster. For the Lions losing a RT is the biggest blow a QB/Team can have, but going through 5 centers or losing a LT before the season is no big deal? Stafford never benefits from great plays is only hurt by bad ones. Every other QB has WRs get wide open, but the Lions never do...blah blah blah. But we have a great roster always? Video and still frames posted on here prove there are numerous times a guy is wide open and he simply doesn't see him. Heck even the Pettigrew PI play, Calvin is wide open in the middle of the field.

Team wise wins is all that matters, but when comparing individual players it isn't nearly as important. Stafford has never had any stats beside yards and others you compile throwing the ball a shit ton. He is consistently has a 18-22 QB rating. The guy is what he is.

Do you honestly believe we would of only won 9 games with Russel Wilson or Tony Romo or even Tannehill as our QB?


What does Stafford do that is special? He has a cannon arm, great. He is the most inconsistent QB in the league. 6 Years have shown that. He can look elite, he can look like he doesn't belong in the league as a starter. That's what he is. He's a guy you can win with, but a guy you don't want to count on winning for you.
 
Show me several QBs who threw 25 TDs to people which doesn't include their top weapons.

Rodgers had 38 this year. 13 went to Jordy. That leaves 25 others. 12 of those were Cobb.

Stafford was Burleson, Young, Pettigrew that year not Cobb

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Mayhew built a great roster. 11-5 proves. Injuries caused weak links. And Stafford played outstanding. I'm right on both accounts.

There are reasons why Stafford's stats aren't higher. It's not Stafford's play. Stafford played great with two productive weapons.

Mayhew has addressed the protection and run game issues. Ebron is no longer a rookie. This team is in excellent shape and Stafford will have excellent numbers. Lions win 11+ again
 
Yes, there are a lot of QBs who threw 25 TDs this past season. And a whole bunch who didn't.

The argument in 2011 was that Calvin was the reason for Matt's production. I argued it then, and I'll argue it now.

Stafford threw 25 TDs to guys other than Calvin that year, but many people have tried to make it sound like Matt couldn't hit the broadside of a barn without Calvin. CJ caught 16.

Thats a whole bunch for one guy, and a whole bunch that hit other guys for a score. Who was #2 that year? Burleson with 5 or6 or something like that? He spread it around a lot and made good use of what he had.

No, it doesn't prove he's good or bad, I just hate this argument that he would have been nothing that season without Calvin.
 
What happened to Stafford post 2011? Did Brett Farve 'thinner' hex him and he got cured by making the playoffs? That year is where he got his gunslinger status from the fans. Nothing he's done since suggests gunslinger, he's been more Kyle Orton than Brett Farve. I'll take 2011 Stafford all day every day.
 
I don't care what he did before, or what he's done since, in the context of what I said.

I'm tired of hearing about how Calvin did it all for him in 2011. I'm not saying he's been elite since or before. I'm saying it's ludicrous to say a guy threw 41 TDs in a season, and it was all one single receiver getting it done with 16.

It's not an argument of who or what Matt is today. It's an argument of what he was that year.
 
Stafford was good in 2013 and 2014 too. Despite what the stats say. He moved the ball and scored points despite some tough circumstances due to injuries and protection (2014). Alot of ints weren't his fault.

Stafford deserves praise most of the time.
 
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