Bust Alert: Lions submitted claim for Pats/Bucs TE Tim Wright

[inkfreq]

It's not bullshit. You game plan to stop Miami's run game. Lamar Miller had 5.1 YPC. You stack the box because Tannehill can't go deep. Nobody cares about Tannehill.

Miami won 8 with timely turnovers deep in opp territory and run game. Lions won 11 with Stafford/two WRs and good defense overall.

Why don't you take yourself to some OTAs and camps and see if you can get a minute with TA. Ask him if he game plans for Tannehill.

That face he makes like you have a third eye growing out of your forehead is saying "What are you, stupid? It's my JOB!".

 

[LKP]

Why don't you take yourself to some OTAs and camps and see if you can get a minute with TA. Ask him if he game plans for Tannehill.

That face he makes like you have a third eye growing out of your forehead is saying "What are you, stupid? It's my JOB!".

Not the main game plan. Main game plan is stop Miami run. Stack the box.

Main game plan is stop Stafford from torching you with Calvin and Tate.

I'm right on this. You just didn't understand what I said.

 

[brewer229]

Not the main game plan. Main game plan is stop Miami run. Stack the box.

Main game plan is stop Stafford from torching you with Calvin and Tate.

I'm right on this. You just didn't understand what I said.

Main game plan against Detroit is to try and take away Calvin and pressure the QB. Try and make Stafford make smart plays and be accurate consistently. Until he shows he can not panic under pressure teams will continue to try and make Stafford beat them by being consistent.

If we had the Lions 2013 defense and not an easy schedule we would of been a 5-11 team.

 

[LKP]

Main game plan against Detroit is to try and take away Calvin and pressure the QB. Try and make Stafford make smart plays and be accurate consistently. Until he shows he can not panic under pressure teams will continue to try and make Stafford beat them by being consistent.

If we had the Lions 2013 defense and not an easy schedule we would of been a 5-11 team.

You are so full of hater and shit.

We had an NFL tough schedule. And Stafford makes great decision. 600 attempts only 6 ints his fault with Calvin doubled and tripled. That is outstanding.

We have no WR 3 and Ebron was a rookie and Fauria hurt and Pettigrew unused. Stafford did a great job for someone with only two weapons, one of which only played 11 games and was doubled and tripled.

You are blind when it comes to game tape. Earned 11-5 and truly a 12-4 or 13-3 team.

2015 is very similar schedule. 3 true road games with teams over .500. 8 teams .500 or under. KC neutral. And then 4 home over .500 from last year. Which is subject to change. Eagles, Cards, KC, SD might not be over .500 teams in 2015 especially when Detroit clobbers them. Lions clearly a double digit win team again and more.

 

[LKP]

Drop % by the way

Stafford 6% of attempts. Tannehill 4.9%. Stafford had to deal with more drops.

 

[dubbsco]

What's that, like an 8th of a drop more a game Stafford had to deal with? Big deal. That's an irrelevant stat when comparing the two.

 

[LKP]

What's that, like an 8th of a drop more a game Stafford had to deal with? Big deal. That's an irrelevant stat when comparing the two.

Stafford's comp % would be 1.1 higher if had Tannehill's drop rate.

Stafford>Tannehill (Mr. lucky we get turnovers inside the opponents 20 and have a run game)

 

[dubbsco]

Tannehill completed 66 percent of his passes. Stafford completed 60. That massive 1.1 isn't going to make a sam hill bit of difference when comparing the two.

Drops, coverage, lineman took a dump on the field, 1st year coach, blah blah blah. Just get it out of your system so we can move forward.

 

[LKP]

Tannehill completed 66 percent of his passes. Stafford completed 60. That massive 1.1 isn't going to make a sam hill bit of difference when comparing the two.

Drops, coverage, lineman took a dump on the field, 1st year coach, blah blah blah. Just get it out of your system so we can move forward.

Run game makes up for the rest. Down and distance. And multiple weapons and how teams defend Detroit. They defend the pass against Detroit's two weapons, they defend the run against Miami. Wallace, Clay and Landry could exploit stacked boxes. Tannehil YPA was very low too.

 

[dubbsco]

Thank you.

 

[LKP]

Thank you.

I shouldn't have to tell you this. You should pick up on this by now and be praising Stafford for being outstanding.

 

[inkfreq]

Not that I want to sound like I agree with the crap LKP keeps leaking from his hole, but I do gotta say it's always struck me as odd the way the Stafford haters circle around the arguments to always be right.

When Stafford has played well, the argument is always "he doesn't win enough". And now we're using sacks, drops, etc... to argue why a QB who went .500 in his best season to date is the better QB.

Suddenly wins don't matter, all these other numbers do.

Two years ago Stafford was one of the least sacked QBs in the game, but after a year filled with offensive line injuries, suddenly we're talking about sacks like it's all on him.

To quote a popular internet saying... "haters gonna hate". No matter what the guy does, short of winning a Super Bowl (and maybe not even then) the people on this board that hate him are going to hate him, and are going to tailor every argument to whatever supports the conclusion that he sucks. And when that argument no longer works, they have a whole new argument that is a direct contradiction to the last argument.

He may be full of shit (he is) but at least LKP stays fairly consistent with his full of shit. I suppose it's not hard to do when you are always full of shit, but at least the guy maintains a cohesive argument and doesn't deviate every few months to change what is "relevant" to the conversation.

 

[grandy]

Ultimately, winning games is the only thing that matters. Whether Stafford is average or great, top 20 or top 5, it doesn't matter.

Nobody in the Lions FO will ever read any of this. Unfortunately this also defeats the purpose of a message board.

Carry on.

 

[LKP]

Ebron targeted 8 times over 20 yards. Jimmy Graham 10 times. Gronk 13. Ertz 16. The NFL high was 18 for Coby Fleener.

We'll give Ebron a few more deep shots this year but not way more.

Since I clearly won, we'll move on to the TE.

 

[LKP]

Ultimately, winning games is the only thing that matters. Whether Stafford is average or great, top 20 or top 5, it doesn't matter.

Nobody in the Lions FO will ever read any of this. Unfortunately this also defeats the purpose of a message board.

Carry on.

The Lions FO knows he is really good. They agree with me.

 

[dubbsco]

Ink, I've always been consistent with how I feel about Matt Stafford. I don't think he's that great of a QB, and I haven't been spinning arguments depending on the situation. He had a very good year in 2011. And sadly enough, his best year doesn't stack up against the elite QBs best year's. There was a large component in 2011 with Calvin bailing him out time and time again with freakish catches.

His standard year is getting a good amount of yards, but having subpar completion percentages and an average QBR.

And through all the bullshit excuse making, the dust will always settle. And nothing's changed, he's still a slightly above average starting QB making a ridiculous amount of money. The part that bothers me the most is that people on here are telling me to scale back my expectations and just be happy when he does "good." I expect greatness out of where he was drafted and what he's being paid. And he's been ANYTHING but.

The sack argument is lame. Two years ago, when he had one of the best offensive lines, his numbers were actually worse than last year.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Tannehill completed 66 percent of his passes. Stafford completed 60. That massive 1.1 isn't going to make a sam hill bit of difference when comparing the two.

Drops, coverage, lineman took a dump on the field, 1st year coach, blah blah blah. Just get it out of your system so we can move forward.

Lol.

 

[LKP]

Calvin bailing him out is pure bullshit. Stafford finds him in tight coverage. It's tough to throw in double coverage. In fact, jump balls have been a hindrance on Stafford.

Stafford is a good borderline top 5 QB no matter what the stats say. Healthy weapons, run support and decent protection and he was elite in 2011.

2013 and 2014 he was good despite the weapons (2013) and run game/protection and drops both years skewing his stats negatively.

Rodgers and Luck are the only QBs I take over him right now given the age of Brady, Brees and Manning.

 

[inkfreq]

The "Calvin bailing him out" argument doesn't hold water and never did. 41 TDs and 16 of those went to Calvin. He spread another 25 out to various targets.

A lot of QBs will never throw 25 in a season in a good year. That's what he threw to targets other than Calvin.

 

[LKP]

64% of Rodgers first downs go to Nelson/Cobb. Only 55% of Stafford went to Calvin/Tate.

Packers had 43 20+ yard plays to Cobb/Nelson. Lions 33 to Calvin/Tate.

Teams don't respect Nelson and Cobb as much and they roam free. Teams respect the hell out of Calvin making it tougher.