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Bust Alert: Lions submitted claim for Pats/Bucs TE Tim Wright

Rivers had 4 guys to go to is the point. Stafford had 2 and only for 11 games, 5 games it was 1 reliable guy.

SD had better protection. It's a fact.

Both had alot of offensive injuries to the starters.

And Stafford had the better year with more wins too.

Much better defense and better run game for Stafford too. Can't deny or spin that.

Poor management and development of players for the Lions? Can't seem to develop weapons in house. Hmm..wonder if the quality of QB influences success of 3rd and 4th options. Like perhaps completely missing the read or even missing the throw when wide open...
 
I still can't believe one person tries this hard to be a troll. It's really quite amazing.
 
Much better defense and better run game for Stafford too. Can't deny or spin that.

Poor management and development of players for the Lions? Can't seem to develop weapons in house. Hmm..wonder if the quality of QB influences success of 3rd and 4th options. Like perhaps completely missing the read or even missing the throw when wide open...

Great development in Detroit. Just had some rookies playing at RT and TE and RG/C.

And I'm glad SD has a terrible D. We'll beat them by double digits in San Diego.
 
I still can't believe one person tries this hard to be a troll. It's really quite amazing.

Not trolling. Explaining to them what actually happened. They are clueless to who is out, who is important, the impact of WR 3 and TE, the impact of protection and run game and how everything is interrelated in football.

Comp % and QB rating is more a team stat.

Stafford had a great 2014. Mayhew didn't say it just to say it or give Stafford confidence. Mayhew watched the game tape and KNOWS Stafford played great.

Room for improvement for any QB. Year 2 of the offense, give him more WR 3 and TE production, give him more protection and give him run support, reduce the drop %. Adding Abdullah, Laken/Ramirez, year 2 Swanon, year 2 Ebron and better health should do this.

Could Stafford have one or two less misfires a game sure. But the misfires aren't the stat problem. Every QB has some misfires.

He won 11 with just defensive support. Image if he has the proper offensive support too.
 
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On 602 attempts, 29 more completions than he had gets him to 65%

Those 29 more completions can come from better protection, better down and distance for easier throws, more weapon separation, less drops or 2 less misfires/decisions a game. Or all of the above.

70% is 3.5 more completions per game.
 
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65% is another 200 yards at his 7 YPA. Up to 91 QB rating. I'd put 29 incompletions on the protection, run game, separtion (especially Cards, at Pats, at Packers games) and drops more than Stafford misfires.

6 ints that aren't his fault. Up to 95 QB rating.

Say he passed instead of Bell punching it in for 3 more. 96 QB rating.

Say our weapons didn't drop two TDs (can think of 3 alone in the Pats game). 98 QB rating.

QB rating is a team stat.
 
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65% is another 200 yards at his 7 YPA. Up to 91 QB rating. I'd put 29 incompletions on the protection, run game, separtion (especially Cards, at Pats, at Packers games) and drops more than Stafford misfires.

6 ints that aren't his fault. Up to 95 QB rating.

Say he passed instead of Bell punching it in for 3 more. 96 QB rating.

Say our weapons didn't drop two TDs. 98 QB rating.

QB rating is a team stat.

Cool story bro.

Lets go the other way.

Let's say he had Andrew Luck drop %. There is 12 less completions and 85 less yards, could kill a drive so less say 1 less TD.

He has Calvin who bails him out on easily 5 catches, especially on deep poorly thrown balls, so lets assume he misses out on those deep passes there goes another 135 yards and 5 catches.

Tate was ridiculous at YAC and has amazing hands. Lets assume 3 less catches for the average #2 and 125 YAC.

Now instead of having bell pound it in, lets say stafford throws it and goes 0-3. Based on his redzone % not that unlikely.

Defense won a lot of games, if they weren't so good he would have to force more on offense, so lets say forcing him gets him 10 more comletions on 30 attempts (Due to tight windows). But gives him an extra 70 yards. Lets be generous and say he scores two more TDs, however pressing causes him to throw 3 more ints.

That gets him a final stat line of 353/635 55.6%, 3982 Yards, 21 TDs, 15 Ints a 75.7 rating. Making him the 31st ranked QB....behind Hoyer but above McCown and Bortles.
 
Every completion was earned and Stafford drop % is one of the worst in the league. Not to mention WR 3 and TE issues and protection issues. Luck had multiple weapons (more than 2).

Stafford is not bailed out more than any other QB. You don't take away anything from Stafford.

The point was

Stafford playing exactly the same as 2014 could have 65% completoin in 2015. Drops become normal, healthier weapons, better protection, better down and distance, all could accomplish this for the measly 2 completions more a game. It doesn't have to be 2 less Stafford misfires. His amount of misfires are fine.

And TDs are sometimes situational. If Bell runs it in and it hurt Staffords' QB rating, so be it.

Stafford earned every TD, completion and yard he got.

Stafford is a HUGE reason we won 11 games. HUGE. Anything good with this offense was Stafford to Calvin or Stafford to Tate. Riddick had some clutch catches in there. Bell had a nose for the endzone and good second half of the season (4.4 YPC). Reiff and Warford could block. Waddle was solid. Lucas got better over time. Sims/Raiola are gone for a reason.
 
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Lions were in the bottom half of the league in Drops. Average was 4.4% Lions ranked 20th (Lower is better) at 4.1%.


Defend how Stafford is better than say Tannehill. Higher drop %, Sacked more often, Worse weapons (unless you want to argue that).
 
Not trolling. Explaining to them what actually happened. They are clueless to who is out, who is important, the impact of WR 3 and TE, the impact of protection and run game and how everything is interrelated in football.

Comp % and QB rating is more a team stat.

Stafford had a great 2014. Mayhew didn't say it just to say it or give Stafford confidence. Mayhew watched the game tape and KNOWS Stafford played great.

Room for improvement for any QB. Year 2 of the offense, give him more WR 3 and TE production, give him more protection and give him run support, reduce the drop %. Adding Abdullah, Laken/Ramirez, year 2 Swanon, year 2 Ebron and better health should do this.

Could Stafford have one or two less misfires a game sure. But the misfires aren't the stat problem. Every QB has some misfires.

He won 11 with just defensive support. Image if he has the proper offensive support too.

Yes you are trolling. You can drop your gibberish routine with me, as I don't buy it at all and you know I don't. Here's why I know you're full of it:

1. You post the same sort of nonsense over and over again as if you believe people here are actually buying into it. Clearly nobody on earth supports your "true" stats whatsoever, yet you continue to post them as fact. Why continue to post it if you know it's not helping you win your argument? You do this because you know it agitates people, not because you really believe it.

2. You show no ability whatsoever to compromise on anything. Everything is absolutes with you, there are no shades of gray. I never see you acknowledging anybody else's points that are made against you. This is further evidence that you're not having a real argument, that you just enjoy stirring crap up. In a real debate there is give and take.

3. You hijack every thread. You don't care what the subject matter is, if you can somehow spin it into your endless cycle of nonsense you seize that opportunity. You enjoy it, and that's what trolls enjoy.

4. Your constant use of hyperbole when describing anything related to the Lions, especially Matt Stafford. All I read are things like "great throw," "amazing read," "unbelievable clutchness," "tremendous handoff," "spectacular audible," etc etc. Again no shades of gray. You use that sort of language because you know it riles people up. More troll behavior.

5. Your gimmick has apparently been going on for years, with no sign of changing. Obviously you have a sound mind (at least I think you do), and you have shown the ability to make sensible posts when you put your mind to it. The fact that you choose not to more often than not tells me it is deliberate.

Maybe you really think there is too much negativity among the Lions fanbase. You might be right. At least the difference is, with the negative posters they are at least being genuine. You are nothing but a fraud who gets his giggles by starting nonsensical arguments. And for that I have no respect for you.

Carry on.
 
Lions were in the bottom half of the league in Drops. Average was 4.4% Lions ranked 20th (Lower is better) at 4.1%.


Defend how Stafford is better than say Tannehill. Higher drop %, Sacked more often, Worse weapons (unless you want to argue that).

Not per PFF. I use that one. Which site did you use?

Tannehill had run game support. Tannehill had the most possession last year starting inside the opponents 20 (inflates the TDs). Almost double the second place team actually. 13 drives.

And Stafford had more yards, YPA and the same ints despite more attempts. No wonder Tannehill had 5 more TDs with 13 drives starting inside opponents 20.

Stafford>Tannehill.

I would need to hits/hurries too. Comp % more affected by that.
 
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Not per PFF. I use that one. Which site did you use?

Tannehill had run game support. Tannehill had the most possession last year starting inside the opponents 20 (inflates the TDs). Almost double the second place team actually. 13 drives.

And Stafford had more yards, YPA and the same ints despite more attempts. No wonder Tannehill had 5 more TDs with 13 drives starting inside opponents 20.

Stafford>Tannehill.

Both stats and sportingcharts show Dolphins at 28 drops, Lions at 24. What does PFF state on this subjective stat?

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-receiver-drops-percentage/2014/


Redzone stats:

Tannehill: 56/89 62.9%, 24 TDs, 2 INTS, 101.8 Rating
Stafford: 39/76 51.3%, 15 TDs, 3 INTs, 82.0 Rating

One guy is rather good, one leaves you wanting more.
 
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Both stats and sportingcharts show Dolphins at 28 drops, Lions at 24. What does PFF state on this subjective stat?

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-receiver-drops-percentage/2014/


Redzone stats:

Tannehill: 56/89 62.9%, 24 TDs, 2 INTS, 101.8 Rating
Stafford: 39/76 51.3%, 15 TDs, 3 INTs, 82.0 Rating

One guy is rather good, one leaves you wanting more.

Tannehill had the run support. Teams worried about running the ball inthe redzone. Teams double Calvin like crazy and Tate is a small WR. Fauria was hurt (7 TDs the previous year) in a 29 TD season for Stafford.

Stafford is better than Tannehill in the redzone. And Tannehill got the sudden changes (13 of them). Those are hard on a defense.

And Tannehil doesn't give the big play with only 3 TDs outside the redzone.
 
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So I have proved Stafford had a better season than Rivers and Tannehill. Anyone else you want to throw at me.
 
Tannehill had more run support (better down and distance), better TE and 3rd WR in Landry plus Wallace is good and not doubled like Calvin (10 TDs), hits/hurries could be better for Miami, the most short fields (explains 5 more TDs).

And drops are up to PFF.

Stafford>Tannehill.
 
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Tannehill had the run support. Teams worried about running the ball inthe redzone. Teams double Calvin like crazy and Tate is a small WR. Fauria was hurt (7 TDs the previous year) in a 29 TD season for Stafford.

Stafford is better than Tannehill in the redzone. And Tannehill got the sudden changes (13 of them). Those are hard on a defense.

And Tannehil doesn't give the big play with only 3 TDs outside the redzone.


Tannehill is far better at the throws 1-30 yards from the line of scrimmage, where the Majority of the game is. I'll take that over a few deep throws to a 6'5" freak of a WR

Y3Tannehill: 279/430 64.9%, 3142 Yards, 23 TDs, 8 INTs. 96.7 Rating
Y6Stafford: 240/410 58.5%, 2937 Yards, 11 TDs, 8 INTs, 81.5 Rating
 
Tannehill is far better at the throws 1-30 yards from the line of scrimmage, where the Majority of the game is. I'll take that over a few deep throws to a 6'5" freak of a WR

Y3Tannehill: 279/430 64.9%, 3142 Yards, 23 TDs, 8 INTs. 96.7 Rating
Y6Stafford: 240/410 58.5%, 2937 Yards, 11 TDs, 8 INTs, 81.5 Rating

Down and distance from his run game. Hits/hurries. PFF drops. WR 3 and TE production on the short stuff.

Stafford>Tannehill. Nobody game plans for Tannehill. They game plan for Stafford.
 
Down and distance from his run game. Hits/hurries. PFF drops. WR 3 and TE production on the short stuff.

Stafford>Tannehill. Nobody game plans for Tannehill. They game plan for Stafford.

Oh bullshit.

Every DC in the league game plans for every QB they face. I don't care if it's the worst QB ever to play the game, you game plan for him and make him play worse.

Just an overall stupid statement.
 
And again

71 scoring drives, only 6 ints his fault on 602 attempts without protection, run game, having drop problems (PFF), separation issues in big games (Cards, Pats, Packers), no WR 3 or TE production, Calvin out 5 really and first year in a complex new offense.

Outstanding job by Stafford.
 
Oh bullshit.

Every DC in the league game plans for every QB they face. I don't care if it's the worst QB ever to play the game, you game plan for him and make him play worse.

Just an overall stupid statement.

It's not bullshit. You game plan to stop Miami's run game. Lamar Miller had 5.1 YPC. You stack the box because Tannehill can't go deep. Nobody cares about Tannehill.

Miami won 8 with timely turnovers deep in opp territory and run game. Lions won 11 with Stafford/two WRs and good defense overall.

And Stafford vastly outplayed Tannehill head to head. Again the only Tannehill TD, Dolphins started at our 3 after a blocked FG. 3 Stafford points turns to 7 Tannehill points. Lions crushed Dolphins because they couldn't run on us. Take away the run and they are toast.
 
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