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[LKP]

And the fact that we are comparing Rivers to Stafford shows that Stafford is a better QB than you all think he is.

 

[tomdalton22]

Lions have a better number 1 and 2 clearly. Chargers have a good number 1 and 2 though with Floyd and Allen and also they had Royal and Gates. A very good slot WR and a HOF TE. 19 TDs from Royal and Gates (7 and 12).

4 dependable weapons helps. 2 great weapons is nice but in 2015 we'll reach full weapon potential with Ebron break out. Abdullah in the mix over hurt Bush will help too.

You need to start following along better and not mix arguments. Especially when you know I already beat you in this one. I think it was the scoring drives that clinched it for giving me the win.

You haven't won an argument on this board since you started posting here...you just continue to spew the same excuses and bullshit over and over again until we just stop.

 

[LKP]

You haven't won an argument on this board since you started posting here...you just continue to spew the same excuses and bullshit over and over again until we just stop.

It's called facts that i give you. I haven't lost an argument on here. But I noticed you changed the subject since you lost.

 

[tomdalton22]

Rivers: 95.7 career QB rating, 64.7 comp %; 7.84 YPA, 0.054 TD / attempt, 0.017 INT / attempt

Stafford: 836. career QB rating, 59.6 comp %, 7.01 YPA, 0.042 TD/attempt, 0.027 INT / attempt

Rivers beats Stafford in every meaningful statistical category and it isn't even close. You lose again!

 

[LKP]

Rivers: 95.7 career QB rating, 64.7 comp %; 7.84 YPA, 0.054 TD / attempt, 0.017 INT / attempt

Stafford: 836. career QB rating, 59.6 comp %, 7.01 YPA, 0.042 TD/attempt, 0.027 INT / attempt

Rivers beats Stafford in every meaningful statistical category and it isn't even close. You lose again!

Team stats you just gave. Run game, protection, weapons (after injuries), drops all need to be factored in.

Factor it all in and Stafford is the better QB. And we were comparing 2014.

Stafford is much better than his numbers indicate.

Last 4 years, Rivers better in 2013 only but it was close since many of the Stafford 19 picks weren't his fault and Stafford had weapon injuries to deal with and lack of number 2 and 3 at times. 2011, 2012 and 2014 the nod definitely goes to Stafford. 2014 Stafford was outstanding.

And Rivers got to sit for two years and doesn't have rookie stats on a Millen mess rebuild.

 

[brewer229]

Team stats you just gave. Run game, protection, weapons (after injuries), drops all need to be factored in.

Factor it all in and Stafford is the better QB. And we were comparing 2014.

Stafford is much better than his numbers indicate.

Last 4 years, Rivers better in 2013 only but it was close since many of the Stafford 19 picks weren't his fault and Stafford had weapon injuries to deal with and lack of number 2 and 3 at times. 2011, 2012 and 2014 the nod definitely goes to Stafford. 2014 Stafford was outstanding.

And Rivers got to sit for two years and doesn't have rookie stats on a Millen mess rebuild.

So how many of the INTs were Rivers fault?

 

[LKP]

So how many of the INTs were Rivers fault?

More than were Staffords fault. And Rivers has less attempts so less int opportunities.

Any way you slice it, 600 attempts and only 6 ints truly Stafford's fault in 2014 is outstanding. Especially in a new offense without protection, run game or TE/WR 3 production.

 

[brewer229]

More than were Staffords fault. And Rivers has less attempts so less int opportunities.

Any way you slice it, 600 attempts and only 6 ints truly Stafford's fault in 2014 is outstanding. Especially in a new offense without protection, run game or TE/WR 3 production.

Who has a better o-line? Who has better weapons?

Your Rivers True Ints is just an assumption right? You have no idea as usual? Does "Great" plays by defense count as True Ints?

 

[LKP]

Who has a better o-line? Who has better weapons?

Your Rivers True Ints is just an assumption right? You have no idea as usual? Does "Great" plays by defense count as True Ints?

In 2014. Rivers had more weapons (4) and better Oline protection. This was due to some injuries for Detroit (to Oline and Calvin and TEs) and a new scheme. Detroit passes them in weapons when Ebron breaks out this year and Detroit has upgraded the Oline and get health so they can protect Stafford this year.

I've watched all 16 Chargers games from last year. 13 of 18 were his fault. Only 6 of 12 were Stafford's fault. So it was close in knocking off ints but Stafford was still way better in the int category. And again, Stafford led more scoring drives with bigger mountains to climb.

 

[brewer229]

In 2014. Rivers had more weapons (4) and better Oline protection. This was due to some injuries for Detroit (to Oline and Calvin and TEs) and a new scheme. Detroit passes them in weapons when Ebron breaks out this year and Detroit has upgraded the Oline and get health so they can protect Stafford this year.

I've watched all 16 Chargers games from last year. 13 of 18 were his fault. Only 6 of 12 were Stafford's fault. So it was close in knocking off ints but Stafford was still way better in the int category. And again, Stafford led more scoring drives with bigger mountains to climb.

Wow. Rivers got worse run support. 33 year old Malcom Floyd was his best WR. Allen missed a couple games. Pass protection was equally bad, Rivers is just better at making quicker decisions and doesn't panic as much and doesn't take as many sacks.

There is no way Stafford is better than Rivers. Lions defense was much better than San Diego and Lions forced 10 more turnovers.

 

[LKP]

Wow. Rivers got worse run support. 33 year old Malcom Floyd was his best WR. Allen missed a couple games. Pass protection was equally bad, Rivers is just better at making quicker decisions and doesn't panic as much and doesn't take as many sacks.

There is no way Stafford is better than Rivers. Lions defense was much better than San Diego and Lions forced 10 more turnovers.

Rivers had more weapons. WR 1 and 2 are good and WR 3 and HOF Te. Rivers had less hits and hurries and less sacks. Much better protection than Stafford. And drop % was better for Rivers.

Rivers had more support around him but Stafford still had the better season. More scoring drives and less ints his fault.

Can't wait for week one when we destroy San Diego.

 

[dubbsco]

Hey come on, Rivers had Brandon Oliver (??) to give the ball to. That keeps the defenses honest.

 

[LKP]

Hey come on, Rivers had Brandon Oliver (??) to give the ball to. That keeps the defenses honest.

Our run game was bad too and Calvin missed plenty of games. Teams constantly play two deep safety against us. Stafford has more difficult coverages to pass against. And with a 3rd WR and rookie TE not stepping up either.

Mayhew should have won GM of the year for adding Tate.

 

[brewer229]

Again Less hurries and sacks can be influenced greatly by the QB. That isn't a strictly O-line stat. Where does PFF rank each of them for passing in 2014?

So LKP who was better last year. Andrew Luck or Matt Stafford?

 

[LKP]

Again Less hurries and sacks can be influenced greatly by the QB. That isn't a strictly O-line pass. Where does PFF rank each of them for passing in 2014?

So LKP who was better last year. Andrew Luck or Matt Stafford?

Luck was better in 2014.

Rodgers, Brady, Luck, Manning then Brees/Stafford/Romo/Ryan/Big Ben category.

Stafford argument for top 5 for sure given the circumstances he must overcome.

71 scoring drives and only 6 ints his fault in 600 attempts. Outstanding season by Stafford given the circumstances.

 

[brewer229]

Rivers had more weapons. WR 1 and 2 are good and WR 3 and HOF Te. Rivers had less hits and hurries and less sacks. Much better protection than Stafford. And drop % was better for Rivers.

Rivers had more support around him but Stafford still had the better season. More scoring drives and less ints his fault.

Can't wait for week one when we destroy San Diego.

Adjusted games lost. Lions middle of the Pack, San Diego 2nd most injured team overall...The most injured offensive team.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/2014-adjusted-games-lost

 

[LKP]

Adjusted games lost. Lions middle of the Pack, San Diego 2nd most injured team overall...The most injured offensive team.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/2014-adjusted-games-lost

Gates and Royal were there. Allen and Brown were there. for the most part. San Diego had better protection.

Lions had concentrated injuries at RT and Calvin/Bush/Warford injuries were huge. Sprinkle in Fauria and Ebron.

Raiola and Sims just regressed. That was not injury related. We've addressed that issue.

Lions injuries were more important and SD had better protection. Rivers had more weapons. That is no longer the case.

Stafford in year 2 of offesne with protection and Calvin/Tate/Ebron healthy will have a great year on tape and with stats this year. 5,000 yards 35 TDs and 12 ints most likely for Stafford.

And again Stafford had the better year. More scoring drives and less ints his fault.

 

[brewer229]

Gates and Royal were there. Allen and Brown were there. for the most part. San Diego had better protection.

Lions had concentrated injuries at RT and Calvin/Bush/Warford injuries were huge. Sprinkle in Fauria and Ebron.

Raiola and Sims just regressed. That was not injury related. We've addressed that issue.

Lions injuries were more important and SD had better protection. Rivers had more weapons. That is no longer the case.

Stafford in year 2 of offesne with protection and Calvin/Tate/Ebron healthy will have a great year on tape and with stats this year. 5,000 yards 35 TDs and 12 ints most likely for Stafford.

More important...Rivers had 5 centers. 5 different guys snapping him the ball. 5 different guys protecting the inside rush.

 

[LKP]

More important...Rivers had 5 centers. 5 different guys snapping him the ball. 5 different guys protecting the inside rush.

We had Raiola regressed. Trickery after a good 2013. Give me the five centers.

And those five centers, many of them who suck after 2nd string jack up the adjusted games lost stat.

Lions had four different Right Tackles a more important position. They only had the same starting lineup twice on the Oline. Warford injury was huge. Reiff injury when playing the Pats. And Calvin/Bush injuries. Lions injuries were more important. Don't care their 3rd and 4th centers got hurt.

 

[LKP]

Rivers had 4 guys to go to is the point. Stafford had 2 and only for 11 games, 5 games it was 1 reliable guy.

SD had better protection. It's a fact.

Both had alot of offensive injuries to the starters.

And Stafford had the better year with more wins too.