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[dubbsco]

Phillips, the guys in the 9 and 10 spot have a much weaker case than the guys in the 5 and 6 spot.

Yeah, there are complaints from bubble teams about not making March Madness, but that usually fades away in a few days. TCU not making the last four is still being discussed. 8 teams is the perfect setup, not too high or low.

 

[bphillips4gg]

Phillips, the guys in the 9 and 10 spot have a much weaker case than the guys in the 5 and 6 spot.

Yeah, there are complaints from bubble teams about not making March Madness, but that usually fades away in a few days. TCU not making the last four is still being discussed. 8 teams is the perfect setup, not too high or low.

Correct. You and I agree on this.

 

[tomdalton22]

Phillips, the guys in the 9 and 10 spot have a much weaker case than the guys in the 5 and 6 spot.

Yeah, there are complaints from bubble teams about not making March Madness, but that usually fades away in a few days. TCU not making the last four is still being discussed. 8 teams is the perfect setup, not too high or low.

Let's say the 5 & 6 spots have the same record (similar resume) as the guy in the 4 spot. How is that different than the guys in the 9 & 10 spots having the same record (similar resume) as the guy in the 8 spot?

I don't want them to make it 6 or 8...just asking the question.

 

[dubbsco]

Tom, the overall value diminishes. We are talking about Ole Miss at 9 and Arizona at 10. Those aren't great teams. Baylor and TCU are.

 

[tomdalton22]

Tom, the overall value diminishes. We are talking about Ole Miss at 9 and Arizona at 10. Those aren't great teams. Baylor and TCU are.

but when / if a #8 seed wins the NC who is to say the #9 or #10 team couldn't win it?

 

[UMRules06]

but when / if a #8 seed wins the NC who is to say the #9 or #10 team couldn't win it?

The #8 seed has won the Stanley Cup. Nobody advocates for expanding the NHL playoffs. It waters it down too much.

 

[tomdalton22]

The #8 seed has won the Stanley Cup. Nobody advocates for expanding the NHL playoffs. It waters it down too much.

I agree. I think 4 is plenty. My only point was that when you expand it the next in line is going to have a bitch. This year it was #5 because #4 won. If #8 wins #9 will bitch.

As far as the NHL...don't 50% of the teams get in?

 

[UMRules06]

March Madness really needs to be reduced down to 32 teams or smaller in my opinion. What's the lowest seed that's ever won it all like #8 Villanova? There's no reason to keep it at 64 except for those feel good Cinderella stories in the first round or two. They never actually win it all though. Simple statistics would say with that many games going on, there's bound to be a couple huge upsets and that's what keeps people watching.

 

[UMRules06]

I agree. I think 4 is plenty. My only point was that when you expand it the next in line is going to have a bitch. This year it was #5 because #4 won. If #8 wins #9 will bitch.

As far as the NHL...don't 50% of the teams get in?

Yep..they should reduce their playoffs too But I love the NHL playoffs so being selfish I would not support that haha.

 

[bphillips4gg]

but when / if a #8 seed wins the NC who is to say the #9 or #10 team couldn't win it?

Then they should win more games in the regular season. They shouldn't lose two games in a given year. If they don't want their destiny being determined by someone else, don't lose.

 

[TheVictors]

I doubt the playoffs get expanded any time soon.

 

[zyxt9]

I doubt the playoffs get expanded any time soon.

I'd not bet on that Vic. When considering not only the TCU/Baylor controversy from this year and the fact there are 5 Power Conferences trying to compete for 4 playoff spots while not often playing the direct competition at any point in the year, there is one MAJOR reason why the NCAA will soon expand to 8 teams.

Money. They set records this year from the playoffs, and we all know how greedy these guys get, but in fairness part of that is due to the demands to achieve growth every year.

http://www.businessweek.com/article...playoff-money-machine-is-just-getting-started

Going to 8 teams won't exactly double their revenue from the 4 team setup, but I'm guessing it would increase it at worst by 40%. Every company in that situation does whatever it takes to push the right buttons to get that increased revenue and will utilize any and all excuses as to why it is better to do so. In this case they will talk about how there is always a team from a power conference being left out and how unfair that is, specifically even pointing to OSU winning despite almost being left out in favor of TCU.

8 teams is coming within 5 years, potentially within 3. There is too much money being left out, and it doesn't look like any of the 5 PCs are willing to break up and become swallowed by the other 4. (Most likely that would be the Big 12 disbanding and joining the PAC, B1G, and SEC while having a couple SEC and B1G teams move to the ACC. ) Then the 8 team playoff would still be done, but with the first round being the conference championships. Regardless, 8 team playoff is not far away because the $$$ is there to force it into existence...just like $$$ has been behind all of the conference and bowl shakeups the past 10 years.

 

[dubbsco]

Total guess, but there will be 8 teams after next season.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Total guess, but there will be 8 teams after next season.

I don't know; it 16 years to go from a 2 team playoff to a 4 team playoff.

Might take a few years before it goes to 8 teams.

 

[zyxt9]

I don't know; it 16 years to go from a 2 team playoff to a 4 team playoff.

Might take a few years before it goes to 8 teams.

I'm pretty sure that was more due to the contractual agreements that were made at that time coupled with resistance from the grey hairs to even have a 2 team playoff. Now, everyone has bought into the playoff system, they will want to maximize it soon. The entire goal of the playoff system is to crown a true champion and greatly reduce any controversy. Well when you have 5 PCs and only 4 spots, there is going to be huge controversy that is warranted every year. With an 8 team playoff, far less warranted controversy. Each conference has a CG, the winner will go to the playoff plus 3 at large teams. Maybe an undefeated team loses in the CCG, it gives them a shot at redemption. Maybe a non-PC team gets a shot too. Or maybe a team that was in same division as a CCG team gets a shot since their 1 loss was to that team. There will always be arguments for/against a given team getting one of the 3 at large slots, but it absolutely allows the CCG winners of all 5 a chance.

Then the major controversy will likely be how those teams get seeded, because one of them will be playing a top 4 as the "road" team. This year it likely would have been TCU vs OSU...which absolutely would have settled that controversy on the field...and won't that be a nice refreshing change.

***Edit: The above are all part of the excuses that will be given to achieve the real goal of getting more $$$. It is one thing to get the money through questionable methods, but to provide sound reasoning and justification as to why they money is deserved...well, that just increases the revenue stream even more.

 

[bphillips4gg]

I don't know; it 16 years to go from a 2 team playoff to a 4 team playoff.

Might take a few years before it goes to 8 teams.

It did take a while to change the way the champion was selected, but they tweaked the process along the way to generate more revenue. If you remember, it used to be 4 BCS games with one of them serving as the championship game. Then they expanded it to what it's been the past 8 years to the 4 BCS bowl games with a fifth game for the title.

They'll tweak it. The problem with 8 teams is that every single BCS bowl would lose their affiliations. That might be a sticking point for some people.

 

[zyxt9]

It did take a while to change the way the champion was selected, but they tweaked the process along the way to generate more revenue. If you remember, it used to be 4 BCS games with one of them serving as the championship game. Then they expanded it to what it's been the past 8 years to the 4 BCS bowl games with a fifth game for the title.

They'll tweak it. The problem with 8 teams is that every single BCS bowl would lose their affiliations. That might be a sticking point for some people.

I don't see the issue that you do with that. The affiliations can still apply in the round of 4 and up, keeping the bigger traditional / BCS bowls at the top of the food chain where they want...and I guess deserve...to be. they would just rotate them as they always have. the round of 8 opens the door for some of those mid-tier bowls...say the Citrus or Outback which has more seating than Citrus???...to get a slice of the pie. It also opens up other locations like Detroit and Indianapolis to get a shot, and those places will jump at that opportunity and poor money into the mix if they get a chance. the round of 8 could be an open bid every year, increasing the revenue stream even more. tons of ways to get $$$$$$ out of the bump from 4 to 8.

 

[dubbsco]

Just take a team like Marshall for instance, or Tulane awhile back, or the occasional Northern Illinois schools that go 11-0 or 12-0 and don't get a chance to eat at the big table. Getting an 8 playoff system might allow someone from the MAC to win a national title. How freaking cool would that be? It would go against everything that is known and understood about CFB.

 

[tomdalton22]

Just take a team like Marshall for instance, or Tulane awhile back, or the occasional Northern Illinois schools that go 11-0 or 12-0 and don't get a chance to eat at the big table. Getting an 8 playoff system might allow someone from the MAC to win a national title. How freaking cool would that be? It would go against everything that is known and understood about CFB.

Those teams shouldn't even be in division 1. Division 1 should consist of only the power 5 conferences.

 

[TheVictors]

I'd not bet on that Vic. When considering not only the TCU/Baylor controversy from this year and the fact there are 5 Power Conferences trying to compete for 4 playoff spots while not often playing the direct competition at any point in the year, there is one MAJOR reason why the NCAA will soon expand to 8 teams.

Money. They set records this year from the playoffs, and we all know how greedy these guys get, but in fairness part of that is due to the demands to achieve growth every year.

http://www.businessweek.com/article...playoff-money-machine-is-just-getting-started

Going to 8 teams won't exactly double their revenue from the 4 team setup, but I'm guessing it would increase it at worst by 40%. Every company in that situation does whatever it takes to push the right buttons to get that increased revenue and will utilize any and all excuses as to why it is better to do so. In this case they will talk about how there is always a team from a power conference being left out and how unfair that is, specifically even pointing to OSU winning despite almost being left out in favor of TCU.

8 teams is coming within 5 years, potentially within 3. There is too much money being left out, and it doesn't look like any of the 5 PCs are willing to break up and become swallowed by the other 4. (Most likely that would be the Big 12 disbanding and joining the PAC, B1G, and SEC while having a couple SEC and B1G teams move to the ACC. ) Then the 8 team playoff would still be done, but with the first round being the conference championships. Regardless, 8 team playoff is not far away because the $$$ is there to force it into existence...just like $$$ has been behind all of the conference and bowl shakeups the past 10 years.

That's all speculation on your part and plays into the fantasy aspect of fans thinking what they imagine will happen.

NCAA has said it's not expanding and the agreement in place currently does too. For all the whining about the BCS it lasted a long time and so will the current format.

Nobody really gives a shit about TCU and Baylor but their fans and Big12 whiners.

You want to bet me $100 it doesn't expand beyond four teams for 5yrs?

(And if somehow Conf champ games are pulled in, that's entirely different ...I'm saying there won't be a three week, eight team playoff outside of existing Conf champ games)