Congratulations B1G! F@CK ohio

[dubbsco]

I really don't give a damn who they play in the CCG, rival or no. It's important to win the thing.

And yeah it does. Michigan, MSU, OSU for the most part chase down a similar pipeline. When those direct rivals are doing better, Dantonio and Meyer can go into those houses and point out how much success they have, and how they are turning people into the NFL.

And after all is said and done, the pain from seeing the rivals win championships trumps any small pride that is gained on the national perspective. The B10 already did enough. Winning or losing the championship game doesn't suddenly catapult the conference. It catapults OSU.

 

[bphillips4gg]

No it doesn't. People are acting like the best recruits will only pick OSU now, which is not the case. For starters, OSU only has so many scholies. Now, UM can entice those who have tons of skill but were not offered OSU scholies and can use the added motivation of beating the team that turned them down. No team stays on top forever.

And if any of the non-rivals went undefeated into the CCG, that would somehow be a less enjoyable game for UM to play than beating winless MSU and winless OSU? Pretty sure in that situation the MSU and OSU games would be considered meaningless wins...which are just so fun to watch. Yeah, I won't watch that boring game between an undefeated UM vs undefeated opponent in the B1G CCG, it just won't compare to the thumping UM put on those winless Sparty and winless Bucknuts.

Yes, because picking through the scraps that your primary rival (who is current years ahead of you) doesn't want sounds like a winning formula.

 

[tinselwolverine]

And if any of the non-rivals went undefeated into the CCG, that would somehow be a less enjoyable game for UM to play than beating winless MSU and winless OSU? Pretty sure in that situation the MSU and OSU games would be considered meaningless wins...which are just so fun to watch. Yeah, I won't watch that boring game between an undefeated UM vs undefeated opponent in the B1G CCG, it just won't compare to the thumping UM put on those winless Sparty and winless Bucknuts.

If a team is going to be undefeated, no win is meaningless; winning every game is how a team ends up undefeated.

And...both MSU and OSU go winless?

In what year is this supposed to happen?

And beyond that, both teams couldn't end up with winless season anyway; they play each other...

 

[Gulo Blue]

And...both MSU and OSU go winless?

In what year is this supposed to happen?

The best year ever.

 

[zyxt9]

Yes, because picking through the scraps that your primary rival (who is current years ahead of you) doesn't want sounds like a winning formula.

since when are 4 and 5 stars considered scraps when MSU has been winning with 2 and 3 stars?

when did Alabama acquire every 5* at every position?

some will come to UM just because they have always been UM fans, maybe some will come just because they have a healthy dislike of OSU. some because they want to disprove the ranking system and show they are actually better than the recruit OSU took.

my god you guys are a bunch of doom and gloom, there is no silver lining, there is no sun, there is no hope for UM because OSU won the NC naysayers. maybe we should just go out and raze the Big House and sell off all the football gear. no reason to play football at UM anymore now that OSU won the NC. harbaugh no longer instills any hope so lets just move along, nothing more to see here anymore.

 

[tinselwolverine]

The best year ever.

A great year for sure, but the best year ever is the year I win $100,000,000 in the lottery.

That year will be better, and it's also going to happen sooner too.

 

[zyxt9]

If a team is going to be undefeated, no win is meaningless; winning every game is how a team ends up undefeated.

And...both MSU and OSU go winless?

In what year is this supposed to happen?

And beyond that, both teams couldn't end up with winless season anyway; they play each other...

if a team won every game but every win was against teams with losing records...that's pretty meaningless when looked at by pretty much everyone, especially those who are deciding on which 4 teams get to play in the playoffs.

an undefeated MAC (or other non-PC) team will likely not play in the 4 team playoffs even if the available nominees for the playoffs have 2 or even 3 losses. so despite the fact that every win has meaning, wins against inferior opponents have far less meaning.

 

[Gulo Blue]

A great year for sure, but the best year ever is the year I win $100,000,000 in the lottery.

That year will be better, and it's also going to happen sooner too.

OK. Best year ever can open the box up too much. Maybe it's every year, but in the right place.

Maybe if I say my prayers, live a good life, and do right by humanity in general, when I die, I'll go to a place where OSU and MSU always lose.

 

[zyxt9]

If a team is going to be undefeated, no win is meaningless; winning every game is how a team ends up undefeated.

And...both MSU and OSU go winless?

In what year is this supposed to happen?

And beyond that, both teams couldn't end up with winless season anyway; they play each other...

could be winless at the time UM plays them, and then MSU's only victory is against a winless OSU.

yeah, that just does not appeal to me. sorry. it's like watching a 5th grader beat up a 1st grader. even if that 1st grade kid is obnoxious as all hell and deserves to be beaten up by the 5th grader, the 5th grader looks worse for beating the kid up. when it isn't a fair fight, the fact you won it is...worthless at best.

 

[tinselwolverine]

could be winless at the time UM plays them, and then MSU's only victory is against a winless OSU.

yeah, that just does not appeal to me. sorry. it's like watching a 5th grader beat up a 1st grader. even if that 1st grade kid is obnoxious as all hell and deserves to be beaten up by the 5th grader, the 5th grader looks worse for beating the kid up. when it isn't a fair fight, the fact you won it is...worthless at best.

Okay.

Like I said in post #66, I'm going to win megamillions in the lottery before such an unappealing thing as Michigan clown stomping both MSU and OSU when each is winless happens.

 

[Mitchrapp]

If it's Iowa, Northwestern, Indiana, any other B10 team, sure root for them. But MSU, OSU, no. It directly hurts you when your rival is doing huge things.

When UM because relevant again..and at season's end, what helps UM more: That OSU lost 3 games or is undefeated? I get rooting against OSU and its easy to root against when UM isn't any good but if UM gets in the title picture I want OSU to be highly ranked when we play them.

 

[zyxt9]

which fans had more fun during their domination.

UM beating the undefeated Cooper-led Buckeyes.
OSU beating the RR and Hoke led Wolverines.

UM fans should not be on par with Sparty fans who have been bragging about beating RR and Hoke led Wolverine teams. When did UM ever enjoy beating MSU during MSU's down years? Hell, even Hoke's victory over the 6 win Buckeyes felt hollow other than it broke the losing streak...but outside of that it was basically expected that year so...meh. Victories over rivals have far more meaning when those rivals have winning records. To flaunt wins over terrible rivals is pretty sad and pathetic.

 

[zyxt9]

When UM because relevant again..and at season's end, what helps UM more: That OSU lost 3 games or is undefeated? I get rooting against OSU and its easy to root against when UM isn't any good but if UM gets in the title picture I want OSU to be highly ranked when we play them.

yeah but, that would mean OSU wins a bunch of games. you are such a Bucknut fan!!!

/sarcasm

 

[dubbsco]

Oh come on man, UM enjoys beating MSU no matter what. Don't pretend you didn't get happy and loved rubbing it in. They are rivals, whether or not they suck. And MSU should enjoy beating down Michigan teams, average Michigan teams, or good Michigan teams. A win is a win.

We aren't talking about the regular season Mitch. This argument is about the Big Ten winning the national title and how it helps the conference. I argue that the conference already did enough, and seeing your rival win the title trumps any small benefit of media props. In fact, this does more to help OSU than the conference as a whole.

If Michigan does what they are supposed to, they'll get in.

 

[Gulo Blue]

When UM because relevant again..and at season's end, what helps UM more: That OSU lost 3 games or is undefeated? I get rooting against OSU and its easy to root against when UM isn't any good but if UM gets in the title picture I want OSU to be highly ranked when we play them.

Of course. That's why you have to be torn on the subject. Always want them to lose in the present and future, but be glad they were winning in years we ruin their season.

 

[zyxt9]

Okay.

Like I said in post #66, I'm going to win megamillions in the lottery before such an unappealing thing as Michigan clown stomping both MSU and OSU when each is winless happens.

ok, then how about 3 or 4 win MSU and OSU?

or what about the difference between beating a .500 OSU vs beating an undefeated OSU?

I get far more enjoyment from beating them when they are a team that ends up with 2 or fewer losses than when they are a middle of the road team barely getting enough wins to enter a bowl game. and if they win their bowl game, that just makes the in-season victory over them a little sweeter for me.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Of course. That's why you have to be torn on the subject. Always want them to lose in the present and future, but be glad they were winning in years we ruin their season.

It's not easy .. :nod:

 

[Gulo Blue]

Oh come on man, UM enjoys beating MSU no matter what. Don't pretend you didn't get happy and loved rubbing it in. They are rivals, whether or not they suck. And MSU should enjoy beating down Michigan teams, average Michigan teams, or good Michigan teams. A win is a win.

MSU is kind of a special case. It's not that beating them is so great, it's that losing to them is completely unbearable. There's way more downside than upside. You, lose, you hear about it forever. You, win, you keep your mouth shut or you're an ass.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Oh come on man, UM enjoys beating MSU no matter what. Don't pretend you didn't get happy and loved rubbing it in. They are rivals, whether or not they suck. And MSU should enjoy beating down Michigan teams, average Michigan teams, or good Michigan teams. A win is a win.

We aren't talking about the regular season Mitch. This argument is about the Big Ten winning the national title and how it helps the conference. I argue that the conference already did enough, and seeing your rival win the title trumps any small benefit of media props. In fact, this does more to help OSU than the conference as a whole.

If Michigan does what they are supposed to, they'll get in.

Fair enough. I thought it was about reg season too. I would never root for OSU at that point though it was a bit of a conundrum when they played the Bama team which I have a whole lot of hate too..

 

[dubbsco]

If OSU and MSU are down, there will naturally be other teams in the conference that surprise and step up. I think this whole 'wanting to see the B10 do well' holds water in the BCS era, but not anymore. If you win the conference, win the title game, and have 1 loss (2 when the thing expands), you are in.