Coronainsanity

[Spartanmack]

I believe that the people making the most noise about resisting this 'tyranny' would be silent in the face of real tyranny and the people that would resist an actual tyrant are doing their best to follow the recommended safety measures. Historic patriots fought tyranny at great risk to themselves to make a better life for others. This current wave of protest isn't driven by selflessness or need or anything like it. There's real hardship caused by the impact to the economy and I hope people don't become so calloused by the recent wave of crybabies that they can't see the difference.

Submission is defiance! This is an interesting opinion and even compelling or well worded argument for why the sheep are really the wolves and wolves are really the sheep but it's probably not even close to being true. The historic patriots fought for themselves as much as anyone else. Most of the people who wrote the books, papers, constitution, Declaration of Independence didn't do any of the actual fighting. It's true, they still took great personal risk and many who signed the Declaration of Independence were targeted by the Brits who remained one of our biggest trading partner and lost everything they had, but that doesn't mean they weren't motivated largely by their own personal interests.

While I'm not advocating for armed militias, they're arguably making the most noise but I don't see how they personally benefit from standing guard at a mid-Michigan barber shop to make sure it stays open. Also, from what I've seen and read the more sane factions of the new "resistance" are arguing for reopening with certain precautions like masks, hand washing, social distancing, capacity limits, etc, etc.

 

[Spartanmack]

But if it was a quantity, it would be equal to [round(2/3*10^X)] where X is a whole number representing the level of evil.


It's the 2/3 that sticks out as the unique part of it. Probably driven by envy. A loner envious of a couple. In those situations, the problem usually isn't the couple, it's the loner. It's probably a diabolical trick that we think 666 is the mark of the beast. It's actually 333.

Benny Binion and others who suffered a similar fate would probably disagree.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Benny Binion and others who suffered a similar fate would probably disagree.

He died of congestive heart failure 30 years ago.

Are you referring to something else?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Also, from what I've seen and read the more sane factions of the new "resistance" are arguing for reopening with certain precautions like masks, hand washing, social distancing, capacity limits, etc, etc.

The sane factions of each side are probably nearly entirely in agreement on how we address this.

 

[tigermud]

I think it’s like, super beast.

Like, beast on steroids.

Tinsel go knock some sense into your state

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...s-if-california-lockdown-extends-into-season/

 

[tigermud]

I believe that the people making the most noise about resisting this 'tyranny' would be silent in the face of real tyranny and the people that would resist an actual tyrant are doing their best to follow the recommended safety measures. Historic patriots fought tyranny at great risk to themselves to make a better life for others. This current wave of protest isn't driven by selflessness or need or anything like it. There's real hardship caused by the impact to the economy and I hope people don't become so calloused by the recent wave of crybabies that they can't see the difference.

You think whatever you'd like buttercup.

 

[tigermud]

https://www.infowars.com/video-offi...ts-man-defending-restaurant-defying-lockdown/


Warning bad language

 

[Gulo Blue]

You think whatever you'd like buttercup.

Cool. Us facemask-wearers love getting permission.

 

[tigermud]

Cool. Us facemask-wearers love getting permission.

You’re not one of those face mask deniers are ya. LOL

 

[sggatecl]

You?re not one of those face mask deniers are ya. LOL

What's that?

 

[tigermud]

What's that?

I can't decided between this one

Or this one

maybe both!?

 

[byco42]

Provisional "Death Counts"

From CDC:

As of April 14, 2020, CDC case counts and death counts include both confirmed and probable cases and deaths.

This change was made to reflect an interim COVID-19 position statement issued by the Council for State and Territorial Epidemiologists on April 5, 2020.

The position statement included a case definition and made COVID-19 a nationally notifiable disease.

A confirmed case or death is defined by meeting confirmatory laboratory evidence for COVID-19.

A probable case or death is defined by one of the following:

Meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19

Meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence

Meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID19​

Point: Provisional Deaths under ICD Code have changed: "1 Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1"

U07.1 used to be only lab-confirmed cases. No longer. And still the provisional deaths are 2/3 of the CDC Wuhan Virus deaths that are published on the Death Porn Sites

Where is ICD-10 code U07.2 vanish at? (sic) Link.

This is the worst of all worlds -- not shutting down the spread at the outset (if that was even possible) and now shutting down the economy for no reason, because the virus is loosed, and will spread as nature dictates (eventually). It cannot be contained. So let it run its course and use some common sense for once, in the way of hygiene and mitigation.

 

[sggatecl]

I can't decided between this one maybe both!?

Cute masks but my question stands: What is a face mask denier?

 

[Spartanmack]

He died of congestive heart failure 30 years ago.

Are you referring to something else?

Yes, his son Ted Binion. He was drugged then "burked" by his girlfriend and her lover. If I recall correctly, it's alleged that they had sex on top of him as he lay dying on the floor in his house.

 

[Spartanmack]

Provisional "Death Counts"

From CDC:

As of April 14, 2020, CDC case counts and death counts include both confirmed and probable cases and deaths.

This change was made to reflect an interim COVID-19 position statement issued by the Council for State and Territorial Epidemiologists on April 5, 2020.

The position statement included a case definition and made COVID-19 a nationally notifiable disease.

A confirmed case or death is defined by meeting confirmatory laboratory evidence for COVID-19.

A probable case or death is defined by one of the following:

Meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19

Meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence

Meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID19​

Point: Provisional Deaths under ICD Code have changed: "1 Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, coded to ICD?10 code U07.1"

U07.1 used to be only lab-confirmed cases. No longer. And still the provisional deaths are 2/3 of the CDC Wuhan Virus deaths that are published on the Death Porn Sites

Where is ICD-10 code U07.2 vanish at? (sic) Link.

This is the worst of all worlds -- not shutting down the spread at the outset (if that was even possible) and now shutting down the economy for no reason, because the virus is loosed, and will spread as nature dictates (eventually). It cannot be contained. So let it run its course and use some common sense for once, in the way of hygiene and mitigation.

you've highlighted flaws with the "probable" deaths but aren't we also overcounting in the "confirmed" category? Like terminal cancer patients or heart attack victims, etc who also had the virus being counted as deaths from the virus.

 

[Gulo Blue]

This is the worst of all worlds -- not shutting down the spread at the outset (if that was even possible) and now shutting down the economy for no reason, because the virus is loosed, and will spread as nature dictates (eventually). It cannot be contained. So let it run its course and use some common sense for once, in the way of hygiene and mitigation.

The phrases we all use sound more black&white than reality. The economy isn't 'shut down' or 'opened up' like a switch and the 'lockdowns' aren't at all absolute. They aren't the same thing from state to state and I don't think people have the same thing in mind from person to person when they talk about them. There's been less traffic on the roads, not no traffic.



How I read what you wrote probably doesn't match what you intended no matter how good my good faith effort may be.


People started behaving differently before lockdown measures were taken officially and they don't uniformly follow them once issued. Do we give credit to politicians credit (or blame) for what happens or what we think would have happened if people actually did what they directed? Do we say it's not their fault if people don't follow lockdowns? Do we blame them for the extra impact that was prevented by people taking action before directed?


It all makes it tough to discuss.

 

[Spartanmack]

The sane factions of each side are probably nearly entirely in agreement on how we address this.

maybe, but if that's the case they're making no headway in places like NY, NJ, CA where the shutdown fanatics have control (for now).

 

[byco42]

The phrases we all use sound more black&white than reality. The economy isn't 'shut down' or 'opened up' like a switch and the 'lockdowns' aren't at all absolute. They aren't the same thing from state to state and I don't think people have the same thing in mind from person to person when they talk about them. There's been less traffic on the roads, not no traffic.

Ok. Things are really messed up. They could be a lot better. The politicians are not as capable of fixing it as they are of making it worse. A virus has properties that will not abide by "measures." Forcing people to remain at home has caused other consequences that are as or more harmful. This says there is no proof whatsoever that it has minimized deaths, or will. Link

People started behaving differently before lockdown measures were taken officially and they don't uniformly follow them once issued.

Makes me wonder why we need politicians and "experts" to direct us, if some people are going to do the "right" thing without them and others won't "abide" in any event.

Do we give credit to politicians credit (or blame) for what happens or what we think would have happened if people actually did what they directed? Do we say it's not their fault if people don't follow lockdowns? Do we blame them for the extra impact that was prevented by people taking action before directed?

We have little idea if the information we are being fed is real, if these measures are effective or not, whether the virus is simply waiting for its time to spread, or if it's already done so, or if was a big fraud all along, planned, or not.

It all makes it tough to discuss.

Because people who oppose or even question these measures such are vilified, but those who enact them them are not.

 

[byco42]

you've highlighted flaws with the "probable" deaths but aren't we also overcounting in the "confirmed" category? Like terminal cancer patients or heart attack victims, etc who also had the virus being counted as deaths from the virus.

I have zero confidence that these numbers are accurate, because, the CDC itself has none.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Ok. Things are really messed up. They could be a lot better. The politicians are not as capable of fixing it as they are of making it worse. A virus has properties that will not abide by "measures." Forcing people to remain at home has caused other consequences that are as or more harmful. This says there is no proof whatsoever that it has minimized deaths, or will. Link



Makes me wonder why we need politicians and "experts" to direct us, if some people are going to do the "right" thing without them and others won't "abide" in any event.



We have little idea if the information we are being fed is real, if these measures are effective or not, whether the virus is simply waiting for its time to spread, or if it's already done so, or if was a big fraud all along, planned, or not.



Because people who oppose or even question these measures such are vilified, but those who enact them them are not.

Whether we need experts to do the right thing or not, people changing their behavior either way also means some economic slowdown was inevitable too.