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Coronainsanity

Flu peaks in Jan or Feb. This spike in deaths is going up when deaths per week should be going down. Have you seen charts of weekly deaths for this year compared to average years?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

From the CDC: "Certifiers are asked to use their best medical judgment based on the available information and their expertise. When a definitive diagnosis cannot be made, but the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty, certifiers may include the terms ?probable? or ?presumed? in the cause-of-death statement." I want to know WHAT THIS NUMBER IS. I want that subset. With the so-called precision of forensic science, it's incredulous that there is any guess work regarding COD ALLOWED.

Then I can assign credence to numbers the NYT prints to advance the pandemic narrative, which is good for its own business. I am not assigning any legitimacy to MSM stories on this topic.

But as for the theory that this is a government power grab, is it Trumps power grab or not? Is he a powerless freedom fighter unable to stop the lunacy or the diabolical mastermind behind it?

It's, IMO, a global NWO power grab. My theory. The US is the primary target, which answers your question below.

The theory has to mesh with the fact that reported stats are worse in the US than elsewhere - but it is reported everywhere. So how did the right parts of all the worlds' governments and press get on the same page, with the US leading the stats, at a time when the US is more divided than ever? Why is it the instinct of foreign dictators to deny its existence if it's a good way to secure power?

Delaying the virus is a great thing to do if you also ramp up testing capabilities while it's delayed.

Testing is not a cure; it's just a way to ID more people with the virus, which then offers more evidence for "mitigation." Delaying the spread of the virus will not minimize the casualties; it will just spread them out over a longer period of time. It makes sense with my power-grab theory.
 
I want to know WHAT THIS NUMBER IS. I want that subset. With the so-called precision of forensic science, it's incredulous that there is any guess work regarding COD ALLOWED.


That would require more testing than we've had the capability to do. I don't understand downplaying the significance of testing and at the same time complaining that there isn't enough definitive evidence.



Testing is not a cure; it's just a way to ID more people with the virus, which then offers more evidence for "mitigation." Delaying the spread of the virus will not minimize the casualties; it will just spread them out over a longer period of time. It makes sense with my power-grab theory.


Spreading illness out over time absolutely lessens casualties for a new virus if we learn about the virus and what meds help and which don't. Even more if we develop a vaccine.
 
Also, if you have gobs of testing, you can open up activities and quarantine the infected. It's working in other places.
 
That would require more testing than we've had the capability to do. I don't understand downplaying the significance of testing and at the same time complaining that there isn't enough definitive evidence.

My insufficient evidence concerns actual COD. My point is that the more people that can be found tested as positive, the more "evidence" for "mitigation" and "suppression" there is. So it makes sense to then slow the spread and keep people at home, even in the face of the inaccurate COD count.

Spreading illness out over time absolutely lessens casualties for a new virus if we learn about the virus and what meds help and which don't. Even more if we develop a vaccine.

In the meantime we're all "on hold" until the "experts" learn more about the virus. I am completely unconvinced a vaccine will be discovered, ever. As for meds that help, that apparently depends on who is advocating them.

And, CNN ? is still being its irresponsible self:

[HEADLINE] Doctors in Italy make a link between Covid-19 and rare 'Kawasaki-like' inflammatory disease in children

[GRAF TWELVE] "The study had some limitations, including that it was conducted among patients in Bergamo, Italy. More research is needed to determine whether similar findings would emerge among a much larger sample of people from other regions around the world."

[GRAF WAY DOWN THE PAGE] "This multisystem inflammatory syndrome is not directly caused by the virus(!)," Burns told CNN. "The leading hypothesis is that it is due to the immune response of the patient."

(Burns is a "critical care specialist at Boston Children's Hospital who has been coordinating a global group of doctors who compare notes on the condition.")

More FEAR PORN to scare younger parents and grandparents.
 
Also, if you have gobs of testing, you can open up activities and quarantine the infected. It's working in other places.

You are kinda of making my point for me. [EDIT] This will become an irreversible president for virtually any malady. [EDIT] HR 6666 is all about this.
 
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...and now Biden is calling him President Tweety? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?
 
That model got a lot of people's attention, but by the time lockdowns were being issued, most public figures, including the White House, were quoting other models. It definitely was not the model used to trigger all these lockdowns.



How long ago did I complain about people taking that study out of context and talk about how even the authors highlighted the unrealistic conditions they used in their calculations? But here you are, still pointing to the outlier as representative. Still ignoring the caveats and context included in that paper and pretending it applies under conditions it explicitly said that it didn't.

hmmmm, seems a bit inconsistent with the fact pattern. Neil Ferguson gave sworn testimony before parliament based on his model before the lockdown. The Stanford researchers I cited earlier in this thread have criticized his work and cited it as a major source for the lockdowns. A quick Google search of Neil Ferguson turns up these articles:

The Guardian UK says "Prof Neil Ferguson is the academic whose modelling evidence has been central to not just Boris Johnson’s coronavirus strategy, but for those strategies in France, Germany and the US too."

The Telegraph calls him The architect of the lockdown

The DailyBeast refers to him as The British Professor Who Spearheaded the Lockdown

Business Insider refers to him as One of the world's top lockdown advocates.

The UK slaughtered 11mm sheep and cattle based on his model for foot and mouth that set the 95% confidence interval for human deaths at between 50 and 50,000 for baseline scenario and upwards of 150k worst case. It's pretty clear people listen to this guy. By the way, foot and mouth killed 200 people so it's possible (unlikely, but possible) that his recommendation to cull 11mm head of livestock killed 4x more people than his model predicted might die if nothing was done.

Also, I feel it should be noted that Neil Ferguson was caught violating his own lockdown recommendations to carry on an affair with a married woman who was otherwise sheltering in-place with her family - oh, and he also contracted Covid19.

Edit: I have to say, it’s a real shame that a guy who got something so wrong is discredited and forced to resign because of an affair and not because the massive errors in his work had catastrophic consequences for the world.
 
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When we saw the clip where Trump says he’s taking the chloroquine, I said to my wife “he’s not really taking it.”

I’m not the only one who thinks this.
 
OK, back to the heavier issue between Trump and Pelosi. Do you think Pelosi will back off if pressed on the rudeness of the comment, or is this more of a 'in for a penny, in for a pound' situation?
 
OK, back to the heavier issue between Trump and Pelosi. Do you think Pelosi will back off if pressed on the rudeness of the comment, or is this more of a 'in for a penny, in for a pound' situation?

That?s a good question.

I think I?ll have to look at both sides of scale, and carefully weigh the situation before I come to a conclusion.
 
OK, back to the heavier issue between Trump and Pelosi. Do you think Pelosi will back off if pressed on the rudeness of the comment, or is this more of a 'in for a penny, in for a pound' situation?

Hopefully this will just melt away and illustrate that what Pelosi thinks and says is inconsequential. She, with the stockpile of exotic pints of ice cream in her Sub-Zero/Wolf refrigerator. The woman can barely direct words out of her head. It's like they are knocking around in her head and careening off the walls of her mouth before they finally stumble into our auditory range.
 
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