Coronainsanity

[tinselwolverine]

I wasnt talking about the people that are dying....nor is the poll. My Facts?...this is a poll. It has nothing to do with me. But if were pointing fingers at peoples facts here then your suggested fact that these people were going to die anyways....is probably the opposite of a fact. The Poll data clearly shows that republicans dont think a virus that is killing THAT many americans is a threat to the health of americans.

Were all going to die at some point. So the whole...they were going to die anyways argument doesnt really work. They are now dead sooner than they would have been otherwise. Republicans are dicks. God is a dick.

I know, right?

God sure does seem to love to screw with us.

 

[Gulo Blue]

That said, you do understand that the vast majority of those who died died of complications due to comorbidities that was soon going to kill them anyway don?t you?

I'm not sure if that's true. It might be true for the last 90k, but around the 1st 50k I checked what the CDC was calling prior conditions and it included a significant % of the population.


This could push towards a discussion of capitalism and the profit motive for maintaining a population of marginally healthy people reliant on some drug for years. It's pretty bad here. I'm not in this group of tinfoil hat wearers, but in a sociopathic way, it could make sense for pharma companies to buy influence with the nations fast food companies.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I'm not sure if that's true. It might be true for the last 90k, but around the 1st 50k I checked what the CDC was calling prior conditions and it included a significant % of the population.


This could push towards a discussion of capitalism and the profit motive for maintaining a population of marginally healthy people reliant on some drug for years. It's pretty bad here. I'm not in this group of tinfoil hat wearers, but in a sociopathic way, it could make sense for pharma companies to buy influence with the nations fast food companies.

I don?t get it - what has changed about what the CDC is calling prior conditions since the first 50 K people died?

I thought the first people who died were oldsters in nursing care facilities in NYC.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I don’t get it - what has changed about what the CDC is calling prior conditions since the first 50 K people died?

I thought the first people who died were oldsters in nursing care facilities in NYC.

I think in the early days, it was like a third of people had conditions that raised the death rate for that group to like 3%. I don't know if that's still true or not.


But the conditions they were talking about early wasn't just people on deaths door.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I think in the early days, it was like a third of people had conditions that raised the death rate for that group to like 3%. I don't know if that's still true or not.


But the conditions they were talking about early wasn't just people on deaths door.

From the beginning, it has seemed to me to be generally people with one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel.

 

[Michchamp]

From the beginning, it has seemed to me to be generally people with one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel.

and by slipping on the banana peel, they land outside the grave, right?

 

[Gulo Blue]

From the beginning, it has seemed to me to be generally people with one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel.

Make that 40%


https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattpe...ad-to-severe-covid-19-illnesses/#6295dbb71cbd

 

[sggatecl]

Updated numbers on the mysteriously unreported pneumonia epidemic:

Indiana: 2,476 COVID-19 deaths; 3,018 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 384)
Illinois: 6,139 COVID-19 deaths; 6,166 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 782)
Tennessee: 519 COVID-19 deaths; 2,404 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 611)
Ohio: 2,383 COVID-19 deaths; 3,537 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 820)
Virginia: 1,901 COVID-19 deaths; 2,019 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 451)
West Virginia: 95 COVID-19 deaths; 599 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 117)
Texas: 2,453 COVID-19 deaths; 6,911 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 2,512)
Florida: 3,133 COVID-19 deaths; 7,368 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 1,210)

From the beginning, it has seemed to me to be generally people with one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel.

Or people strangely susceptible to "pneumonia".

 

[tinselwolverine]

Or people strangely susceptible to "pneumonia".

Susceptible to getting it or dying of it?

Astonishingly, the same comorbidities that increase the lethality of the Covid also contribute to increasing lethality of pneumonia.

 

[sggatecl]

Susceptible to getting it or dying of it?

Or not actually getting it at all.

Astonishingly, the same comorbidities that increase the lethality of the Covid also contribute to increasing lethality of pneumonia.

Exactly why I've linked the crazy increase in 'pneumonia' deaths that aren't attributed to Covid multiple times. People want to go on about how Covid is attributed to too many deaths when an alarmingly large number of 'pneumonia' deaths just happen to coincide with Covid. I still maintain that there are more Covid deaths than reported, simply under the guise of pneumonia because we don't have proper testing.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Or not actually getting it at all.



Exactly why I've linked the crazy increase in 'pneumonia' deaths that aren't attributed to Covid multiple times. People want to go on about how Covid is attributed to too many deaths when an alarmingly large number of 'pneumonia' deaths just happen to coincide with Covid. I still maintain that there are more Covid deaths than reported, simply under the guise of pneumonia because we don't have proper testing.

What I can tell ya?

I didn’t go around counting pneumonia deaths amongst sick old people that happened before the year of the Covid.

Can you show me that link again that shows pneumonia deaths up this year as opposed to other years, independent of those recording the pneumonia deaths to the Covid? I somehow didn’t catch it before.

I also don’t that we don’t have “proper testing” - in fact, I don’t know what “we don’t have proper testing” even means.

If so many people are suddenly testing positive, as I’m hearing reported, how can that be happening at the same time as “not proper testing?”

 

[Michchamp]

What I can tell ya?

I didn?t go around counting pneumonia deaths amongst sick old people that happened before the year of the Covid.

You should have.

 

[tinselwolverine]

You should have.

I know, right?

 

[Michchamp]

Or not actually getting it at all.



Exactly why I've linked the crazy increase in 'pneumonia' deaths that aren't attributed to Covid multiple times. People want to go on about how Covid is attributed to too many deaths when an alarmingly large number of 'pneumonia' deaths just happen to coincide with Covid. I still maintain that there are more Covid deaths than reported, simply under the guise of pneumonia because we don't have proper testing.

My understanding - from reading more medical articles about COVID-19 is that "pneumonia" isn't actually an illness in and of itself, it's a condition caused by something else... viral or bacteria.



So it's even more bullshit categorizing deaths of COVID-19 as "pneumonia."

 

[Michchamp]

Watch the authorities use this "logic" to explain away why Americans are killed by cops at much higher rates than in civilized countries.

...All these victims of police shootings actually just bled to death! Police firing bullets into their bodies was... just an unrelated thing that happened.

 

[tinselwolverine]

My understanding - from reading more medical articles about COVID-19 is that "pneumonia" isn't actually an illness in and of itself, it's a condition caused by something else... viral or bacteria.



So it's even more bullshit categorizing deaths of COVID-19 as "pneumonia."

Covid probably makes a person - especially a person with comorbidities - susceptible to developing pneumonia, and dying from it.

But my understanding is those are being categorized as Covid related fatalities.

Here from the CDC.

 

[tinselwolverine]

...All these victims of police shootings actually just bled to death! Police firing bullets into their bodies was... just an unrelated thing that happened.

This is a good idea.

Although I think we?re going to have to note that many also suffered unrelated injuries to the heart and other vital organs in addition to the bleed out.

 

[sggatecl]

What I can tell ya?

I didn’t go around counting pneumonia deaths amongst sick old people that happened before the year of the Covid.

No worries, the CDC did.

Can you show me that link again that shows pneumonia deaths up this year as opposed to other years, independent of those recording the pneumonia deaths to the Covid? I somehow didn’t catch it before.

As referenced in post #741 and #939, these are the references I used to find the statistics I shared.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

https://wonder.cdc.gov/ucd-icd10.html

I also don’t that we don’t have “proper testing” - in fact, I don’t know what “we don’t have proper testing” even means.

If so many people are suddenly testing positive, as I’m hearing reported, how can that be happening at the same time as “not proper testing?”

Now =! Then

In the beginning and middle stages of this pandemic, you couldn't get a test unless your symptoms were severe, let alone post mortem. So if someone died of a respiratory illness resembling 'pneumonia', they called it pneumonia. I know that doesn't fit the narrative around here that Covid is being blamed when it shouldn't but the numbers don't lie.

'Pneumonia' deaths are up by 100-500% in most states, yet people are posting memes about skydiving and car accident deaths being blamed on Covid. You've all got it backwards in an attempt to diminish the severity of Covid.

 

[sggatecl]

My understanding - from reading more medical articles about COVID-19 is that "pneumonia" isn't actually an illness in and of itself, it's a condition caused by something else... viral or bacteria.



So it's even more bullshit categorizing deaths of COVID-19 as "pneumonia."

I've been posting about it for 2+ months. Someone finally gets it! :cheers:

 

[tinselwolverine]

No worries, the CDC did.



As referenced in post #741 and #939, these are the references I used to find the statistics I shared.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

https://wonder.cdc.gov/ucd-icd10.html





Now =! Then

In the beginning and middle stages of this pandemic, you couldn't get a test unless your symptoms were severe, let alone post mortem. So if someone died of a respiratory illness resembling 'pneumonia', they called it pneumonia. I know that doesn't fit the narrative around here that Covid is being blamed when it shouldn't but the numbers don't lie.

'Pneumonia' deaths are up by 100-500% in most states, yet people are posting memes about skydiving and car accident deaths being blamed on Covid. You've all got it backwards in an attempt to diminish the severity of Covid.

The first link from the CDC specifically says that pneumonia deaths related to Covid are being counted as related to Covid, and it is the EXACT SAME CDC report I used in #1136 to substantiate that.

Are you sure your claim that the pneumonia death increases are not being counted as Covid related?

Because the CDC report you posted to support that they’re not, in fact, again, specifically states that many pneumonia deaths actually ARE counted as Covid related.

THIS specifically identifies cases that were classified as Covid related that weren’t and why that would happen - I’ll give everyone a hint - it’s $.

As far as memes about skydiving and motorcycle deaths being counted as Covid related...really?

Think anyone who posted anything like that believed it was really supporting evidence?

Come on.

EDIT: “Counts of deaths involving pneumonia include pneumonia deaths that also involve Covid-19.”

Directly from the CDC report.


I don’t know how much more clear it could be.