Coronainsanity

[byco42]

I don't think that's clear at all.

Not unrelated to the whole chicom thread, you can be in favor of free speech, but acknowledge that with social media it can lead many to unfortunate behaviors. In that discussion, a lot of what you say can sound anti-free speech out of context.

Well, I'll trust my own judgement to determine what is and is not true, without Gates informing me what is "incorrect" and "titillating."

I am curious why this guy gets any airtime at all, or why he wants to appear in the media.

Bill Gates told CNBC that ?titillating? misinformation has a tendency to spread faster than the truth on social media services.

Gates also weighed in on Wednesday?s highly anticipated antitrust hearing featuring CEOs from Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Google.

Gates also touched on Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk?s controversial comments about Covid-19, telling the automaker entrepreneur to stay in his lane.​

Of what else does the media want this guy to opine?

 

[tomdalton22]

While i agree with this...its not really the peoples fault that they get paid more to sit at home than go to work. If anything that should accent the problem that wages are too low and rich people are selfish morons that probably deserve to have half their staff sitting at home not wanting to go back to work.

I think a more logical conclusion is that people are lazy and would rather be given something for free than work for it.

 

[byco42]

I think a more logical conclusion is that people are lazy and would rather be given something for free than work for it.

Certain people, it seems. Not all people. Certainly not me.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I am curious why this guy gets any airtime at all, or why he wants to appear in the media.

Money = Speech.
Celebrity = Speech.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Of what else does the media want this guy to opine?

They should ask him about toilets.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Certain people, it seems. Not all people. Certainly not me.

I don't think most people are like that. I think that's a myth. People quit trying when they feel powerless, not when they have some small amount of stuff.

 

[byco42]

Money = Speech.
Celebrity = Speech.

Money = influence. And no one gains either in this abundance ethically.

 

[tomdalton22]

Certain people, it seems. Not all people. Certainly not me.

agree, I should have clarified it and said "some people"

 

[sggatecl]

I think a more logical conclusion is that people are lazy and would rather be given something for free than work for it.

If the free thing is more than the thing you're busting your ass for, why wouldn't you? Pride? In the words of Marcellus Wallace: "Fuck pride."

I'd say it's a bit of column A and a bit of column B. I doubt there are many people that are taking less (not working) because it's free. If a job pays $12.50/hr and the unemployment benefits pay $9.50/hr, I find it highly unlikely that the average person decides to sit home. Lower that $12.50 though and I'm sure most would jump at it. There's little tangible reason not to.

 

[Gulo Blue]

...also if we're in a situation where you help too little and you hurt the needy, help too much and you enable the lazy, there is probably overlap in the 2 group. By the time you're helping so little you've cut out most the lazy, you're probably hurting too many needy. Which direction is erring to the side of caution?

 

[tomdalton22]

If the free thing is more than the thing you're busting your ass for, why wouldn't you? Pride? In the words of Marcellus Wallace: "Fuck pride."

exactly...that's why they need to get rid of the extra $600 per week.

They are getting $15 per hour (based on a 40 hour work week) plus whatever the state is kicking in to sit at home.

 

[mhughes0021]

I think a more logical conclusion is that people are lazy and would rather be given something for free than work for it.

I dont think thats the logic right now. I think thats the logic prior to covid....and i agree thats the typical american for ya.

But post covid you have a lot of people that consider:
1) needed to be at home with their kids
2) actually care about not going out unless its essential
3) dont want to be out in public with a bunch of morons that dont care about other peoples health

 

[Gulo Blue]

exactly...that's why they need to get rid of the extra $600 per week.

They are getting $15 per hour (based on a 40 hour work week) plus whatever the state is kicking in to sit at home.

What's the right balance? How many people that want a job and can't find one because of shutdowns is it worth foreclosing on to make sure we don't pay someone that could be working? What's the appropriate screwed-unfortunate-per-deadbeat-prevented ratio?

 

[mhughes0021]

exactly...that's why they need to get rid of the extra $600 per week.

They are getting $15 per hour (based on a 40 hour work week) plus whatever the state is kicking in to sit at home.

Ya, most are getting that plus a partial wage from their company. I would say the easiest change to implement would be youre not allowed to double dip. If you take the $600 then let the company save the money. Then we can stop adding the companies into a stimulus/bail out every couple months.

 

[Michchamp]

I don't think most people are like that. I think that's a myth. People quit trying when they feel powerless, not when they have some small amount of stuff.

It is a myth.

Most people - like the overwhelming majority of human beings - want to do something meaningful with their lives. Few get to.

if the choice is printing some extra money so thousands of low-income Americans can stay home and safe with their families and not spread COVID-19 around, or have those benefits cut (so Steve Mnuchin can hand it to some rich Trump campaign donor instead?) and have to go work at Applebees where they spread COVID around and prolong the pandemic... I'm in favor of the former right now.

Kens and Karens (like TomDalton... ha!) don't like this, because they aspire to be the "Rich Trump Donor" some day, and so identify with that. They want low-income Americans back at work at their Applebees, so they can boss them around, yell at them and tip them badly for putting too much ice in their happy hour margarita. This makes them feel better about themselves.

Ironically... most white collar workers' jobs are bullshit, non-essential ones. We sit in offices and move paper around and tick boxes for a few hours a day, and surf the internet and comment on bullshit.

It's a very screwed up society, unsustainable, and heading toward collapse. Rightfully so, I suppose...

 

[tomdalton22]

It is a myth.

Most people - like the overwhelming majority of human beings - want to do something meaningful with their lives. Few get to.

if the choice is printing some extra money so thousands of low-income Americans can stay home and safe with their families and not spread COVID-19 around, or have those benefits cut (so Steve Mnuchin can hand it to some rich Trump campaign donor instead?) and have to go work at Applebees where they spread COVID around and prolong the pandemic... I'm in favor of the former right now.

Kens and Karens (like TomDalton... ha!) don't like this, because they aspire to be the "Rich Trump Donor" some day, and so identify with that. They want low-income Americans back at work at their Applebees, so they can boss them around, yell at them and tip them badly for putting too much ice in their happy hour margarita. This makes them feel better about themselves.

I don't drink margaritas and I'm very generous tipper. I would never donate my money to a campaign unless I personally knew them.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I don't drink margaritas and I'm very generous tipper. I would never donate my money to a campaign unless I personally knew them.

I would never donate $ to a campaign, all politicians blow.

Except for Tulsi Gabbard.

But she won?t be a politician that much longer.

 

[sggatecl]

all politicians blow.

Except for Tulsi Gabbard.

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Tinsel's greatest disappointment of this election cycle.

 

[sggatecl]

exactly...that's why they need to get rid of the extra $600 per week.

They are getting $15 per hour (based on a 40 hour work week) plus whatever the state is kicking in to sit at home.

I don't like the idea of getting rid of it. Slash the amount, maybe.

I think the Republicans floated the idea of $200. I think $5/hr is a bit egregious even for the staunchest of welfare haters. Maybe $350-400 will be the sweet spot.

To be honest, I hate that this is what gets the most attention. The PPP loans seemed to be far less effective and cost much more money than the 'Trump bucks' checks.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Tinsel's greatest disappointment of this election cycle.

Hmmmm...I thought she would have a little better showing, that?s all.

She could have another day though.