Delmas' deal pretty cap friendly

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I'm certainly not saying this is a world championship caliber team, but I am going to say that Eric Wright was no all-world CB either.

I have long advocated the idea that Cliff Avril was a hindrance to the team, not a help. It was his limited skill set that forced the Wide-9 rather than a standard 4-3 defense. Removing him for Jason Jones is an upgrade in my opinion. Of course, there is a reason I am just a fan and not a coach, so maybe my opinion means squat.

Let;s just say that our draft looks something like this:

#1 Eric Fisher, OT
#2 Jonathon Banks, CB
#3 Margus Hunt, DE
#4 Tyran Mathieu, CB/S

Now, I am no mock draft expert. I don't even read the mock sites. But to me, that's a realistic possibility. That shores up the secondary, the O-Line, and adds a pretty solid DE to start at the other side of the line to pair with Willie Young, assuming we don't sign a free agent or bring back Lo-Jack.

That looks pretty formidable to me.

I'm a believer in the rule of 150. When the total age of your offensive linemen has reached 150 combined years, you have a serious problem. Backus retired, Peterman is gone, and Gosder walked... all to be replaced by younger guys... we have a serious upgrade on the O-Line.

The Lions may not keep too many people off the scoreboard for a given quarter, but they will be able to win shootouts.

 

[LKP]

So now we're a 12 win team? Because they make less mistakes? Yet the other teams make the same?

The other teams made a normal out of mistakes. Maybe even less mistakes them normal. The Lions made an extraordinary extra number of mistakes. They'll cut the mistakes down by a lot and win a lot more games.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The other teams made a normal out of mistakes. Maybe even less mistakes them normal. The Lions made an extraordinary extra number of mistakes. They'll cut the mistakes down by a lot and win a lot more games.

Come on, really? They make normal mistakes and we're the only team that makes un-ordinarily amount?

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm certainly not saying this is a world championship caliber team, but I am going to say that Eric Wright was no all-world CB either.

I have long advocated the idea that Cliff Avril was a hindrance to the team, not a help. It was his limited skill set that forced the Wide-9 rather than a standard 4-3 defense. Removing him for Jason Jones is an upgrade in my opinion. Of course, there is a reason I am just a fan and not a coach, so maybe my opinion means squat.

Let;s just say that our draft looks something like this:

#1 Eric Fisher, OT
#2 Jonathon Banks, CB
#3 Margus Hunt, DE
#4 Tyran Mathieu, CB/S

Now, I am no mock draft expert. I don't even read the mock sites. But to me, that's a realistic possibility. That shores up the secondary, the O-Line, and adds a pretty solid DE to start at the other side of the line to pair with Willie Young, assuming we don't sign a free agent or bring back Lo-Jack.

That looks pretty formidable to me.

I'm a believer in the rule of 150. When the total age of your offensive linemen has reached 150 combined years, you have a serious problem. Backus retired, Peterman is gone, and Gosder walked... all to be replaced by younger guys... we have a serious upgrade on the O-Line.

The Lions may not keep too many people off the scoreboard for a given quarter, but they will be able to win shootouts.

Wright didn't even play for us last year. As far as the draft, what do you see in Mayhew's history that makes you think he'll draft well this season?

And OL, it might improve - I have hope. But one of those young guys you've mentioned hasn't played more than 10 minutes in his 3 years.

 

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The high amount of mistakes is not a reflection of talen. It's a reflection upon coaching.

This team lacks discipline on and off the field. It's going to be up to Schwartz to take control of that, and force his players to play a cleaner brand of football without losing the aggressiveness they want.

Tough line to tow, but that's what it's going to take. Know when to be viscous, and when to play clean. Know when to be aggressive and gamble on a play, and when to be safe and conservative.

They absolutely have the talent. So much so that Stafford makes more mistakes than he should because he knows he has the arm to pull it off and the receiver to make the play. And then it bites him in the ass.

If they can reign that in, they will improve vastly.

 

[inkfreq]

Wright didn't even play for us last year. As far as the draft, what do you see in Mayhew's history that makes you think he'll draft well this season?

And OL, it might improve - I have hope. But one of those young guys you've mentioned hasn't played more than 10 minutes in his 3 years.

No, I was comparing the talent of this year's team to the 2011 playoff team. Wright played then, and I would consider just about anything we put on the field this season an upgrade from him.

Mayhew's drafts have been suspect, no doubt about it. But it's produced talent as well. His 2nd round has been bad, but other than that, I think he's done well.

We will find out what he's managed to compile for talent this season when some of these later round picks start to see better playing time. Do we have studs or duds? He's drafted a lot of guys with the mindset of developing them, let's see if he pulled it off.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The high amount of mistakes is not a reflection of talen. It's a reflection upon coaching.

This team lacks discipline on and off the field. It's going to be up to Schwartz to take control of that, and force his players to play a cleaner brand of football without losing the aggressiveness they want.

Tough line to tow, but that's what it's going to take. Know when to be viscous, and when to play clean. Know when to be aggressive and gamble on a play, and when to be safe and conservative.

They absolutely have the talent. So much so that Stafford makes more mistakes than he should because he knows he has the arm to pull it off and the receiver to make the play. And then it bites him in the ass.

If they can reign that in, they will improve vastly.

You do realize, for the most part, we have the same coaches. So why should it improve like LKP thinks it will? It's not just 2nd round, what later rounds have panned out, am I'm not talking about guys who we drafted that haven't played much like Whitehead or whatever his name is, Greenwood and the like. They're done done nothing. And that includes Bentley and Spievey, etc.

 

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You do realize, for the most part, we have the same coaches. So why should it improve like LKP thinks it will?

Why? Because when a man is working to keep his job, he knows he better make some changes. They have to put a boot in some asses if they want to keep their jobs, and they know it.

So I have hope.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Why? Because when a man is working to keep his job, he knows he better make some changes. They have to put a boot in some asses if they want to keep their jobs, and they know it.

So I have hope.

But trying to keep his job doesn't usually result in better discipline. You either know how to teach it or you don't.

I have hope to but its the off season, the time to be real.

 

[LKP]

It's not discipline it was ball security.

Stafford needs to tone down the picks or throw about 10 more TDs. He can do both. Not every pick was his fault, off Schefflers hands vs Pack, Durham running the wrong route twice(at Pack and vs Cards for Tolers pick 6), Patrick Peterson push off of Calvin, trying to make a play on 4th down against at the Bears.

The Robert Mathis pick was just a great play by him.

Shade too far against Philly on a deep ball and mistake down the seam against the Seahawks into double coverage , throwing behind Calvin vs Atlanta, telegraphing against the Rams 3 times and Reshad Johnson pick, pick at Vikings intended for Pettigrew, not seeing Heyward pick, ball slipping out of his hands at 49ers and throwing off his back foot and lofting it against the Bears.

I'd say 11 picks were his fault and 6 picks were not.

And some of the fumbles were just ridiculous. Stafford at Lambeau, both fumbles at the Bears. Logan is long gone. Pettigrew might lose 2 but not in the same manner. Calvin won't lose 3.

 

[Mitchrapp]

How do we know 2012 Staff isn't career Staff? He had a great year and a decent year. Too early to tell what the real Staff is, eh? And every QB has picks that weren't "their" fault? Oh I know, "but not 6".

 

[LKP]

Stafford is incredibly talented. 2010 he looked great as well. His non TD games he didn't have any weapons other than Calvin.

Lions were good in 3rd down % and they are good at moving the balls. Stafford proved the last 2 years he can put the Lions in a position to score consistently.

Lions add Broyles, Burleson, and Reggie Bush. Plus Calvin could have more TDs like 2011. Calvin I don't doubt having low TD totals again.

And I'm not talking about 40 TDs. I'm talking 30 which is pretty realistic.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Okay Sparky, if you say so. I'm sure last off season you were probably saying no way Detroit plays as bad at season's end like they did in 2011..

 

[cheeno]

But trying to keep his job doesn't usually result in better discipline. You either know how to teach it or you don't.

I have hope to but its the off season, the time to be real.

I'm with you Mitch, I had hope last year too. LKP and Ink nailed it, turnovers, discipline, and not being able to finish are huge problems on the field, (add gameplanning to that for me but that is a bit more subjective). Off the field, not getting anything out of drafts (for whatever reason, I'll put in that disclaimer for LKP) is a major problem. Is that going to change simply because the calendar did? I hope so. But realisitically there is no concrete reason why it will.

FA was a good start, I hated on Reggie but to grab him for a couple mil was a steal. I'm really big on Quinn, he's a do it all player. Jason Jones, Meh, Delmas, meh, I'm expecting Speivey in the line up by week three. If he stays healthy though it will really help us. Houston is a good player, glad to see him return.

What gilds the lilly for me is relying on guys everyone but the FO and coaching staff seems to knows sucks which pretty much sums up who is slotted in at everyone of our hole on the oline, dline, other corner, #2 wide out, olb, etc. Here's hoping for a good draft and a few Moore holes to be filled by someone other than the Tahir Whiteheads and Corey Greenwoods of the world.

 

[LKP]

Okay Sparky, if you say so. I'm sure last off season you were probably saying no way Detroit plays as bad at season's end like they did in 2011..

Detroit won 3 out of 4 to end 2011 regular season and make the playoffs. I hope they play that well again.

 

[LKP]

I'm with you Mitch, I had hope last year too. LKP and Ink nailed it, turnovers, discipline, and not being able to finish are huge problems on the field, (add gameplanning to that for me but that is a bit more subjective). Off the field, not getting anything out of drafts (for whatever reason, I'll put in that disclaimer for LKP) is a major problem. Is that going to change simply because the calendar did? I hope so. But realisitically there is no concrete reason why it will.

FA was a good start, I hated on Reggie but to grab him for a couple mil was a steal. I'm really big on Quinn, he's a do it all player. Jason Jones, Meh, Delmas, meh, I'm expecting Speivey in the line up by week three. If he stays healthy though it will really help us. Houston is a good player, glad to see him return.

What gilds the lilly for me is relying on guys everyone but the FO and coaching staff seems to knows sucks which pretty much sums up who is slotted in at everyone of our hole on the oline, dline, other corner, #2 wide out, olb, etc. Here's hoping for a good draft and a few Moore holes to be filled by someone other than the Tahir Whiteheads and Corey Greenwoods of the world.

How do you know they suck at all times? Are you at practice? Week 17 Bartell looked pretty good shutting down Brandon Marshall. Palmer did really well in Levy's place. Schwartz specifically mentioned that recently. I've seen Hilliard fill in for Gosder before and I've seen Reiff do well filling in for Backus when the Lions put up 30 points on a good Texans D on Thanksgiving.

My whole point is, just because they underachieved in 2012, doesn't mean they will in 2013. And if it's Stafford getting back to his potential. Look out.

 

[cheeno]

This was me as the clock struck midnight on NYE 2012.

3...2...1...No more turnovers! "Should old aquaintence be forgot and never brought to mind" "Should old aquaintence be forgot and old lang syne!"

 

[LKP]

This was me as the clock struck midnight on NYE 2012.

3...2...1...No more turnovers! "Should old aquaintence be forgot and never brought to mind" "Should old aquaintence be forgot and old lang syne!"

Auld lang syne.

It is realistic to think Detroit can cut down on back breaking turnovers. 17 picks and 16 lost fumbles won't happen in 2013. Sing away.

 

[cheeno]

How do you know they suck at all times? Are you at practice? Week 17 Bartell looked pretty good shutting down Brandon Marshall. Palmer did really well in Levy's place. Schwartz specifically mentioned that recently. I've seen Hilliard fill in for Gosder before and I've seen Reiff do well filling in for Backus when the Lions put up 30 points on a good Texans D on Thanksgiving.

My whole point is, just because they underachieved in 2012, doesn't mean they will in 2013. And if it's Stafford getting back to his potential. Look out.

Dude we have major holes, I heard this story about how Willie Young and LoJack are better players than Avril and KVB and how Peterman rule but his foot is injured, there is a reason why some guys are back ups and there is a reason why some guys suck and it is not because of untapped potential or a litany list of excuses. And btw the guys that did see them in practice everyday kept them as backups and got us 4 wins. Bottom line not everyone is full of untapped potential or is waiti g for their shot. IMO those holes are going to be adequately fill by most of the garbage on the roster. I do like Palmer and am holding out hope on Reiff the rest of the scuba though is like betting on 99-1 shots. So you're saying there's a chance.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm with you Mitch, I had hope last year too. LKP and Ink nailed it, turnovers, discipline, and not being able to finish are huge problems on the field, (add gameplanning to that for me but that is a bit more subjective). Off the field, not getting anything out of drafts (for whatever reason, I'll put in that disclaimer for LKP) is a major problem. Is that going to change simply because the calendar did? I hope so. But realisitically there is no concrete reason why it will.

FA was a good start, I hated on Reggie but to grab him for a couple mil was a steal. I'm really big on Quinn, he's a do it all player. Jason Jones, Meh, Delmas, meh, I'm expecting Speivey in the line up by week three. If he stays healthy though it will really help us. Houston is a good player, glad to see him return.

What gilds the lilly for me is relying on guys everyone but the FO and coaching staff seems to knows sucks which pretty much sums up who is slotted in at everyone of our hole on the oline, dline, other corner, #2 wide out, olb, etc. Here's hoping for a good draft and a few Moore holes to be filled by someone other than the Tahir Whiteheads and Corey Greenwoods of the world.

That's never been the point though. LKP assumes all those bad plays won't rear it's ugly head in 2013. They played bad in 2012, call it injuries if you want but pointing to - "well they have to be better" or point to the draft when Mayhew doesn't draft well.

That's all I was trying to say..