Ferguson, MO

[tinselwolverine]

Somewhere I heard that the average IQ of an American Citizen is 98. Google, I think. It knows all.

Various sources show the IQ of a Marine is somewhat higher.

I have my doubts the guy really was a Marine; they showed a blurred photo of a marine for a few seconds, don’t know if it was him or not.

The guy certainly was not thinking especially strategically, nor did it seem he was responding to commands all that well.

I have very little doubt that at least one cop told him to step the hell out of the way, get the hell out of there and go home.

If a cop tells you to leave a location and you don’t, you are now an agitator, I don’t care if you have your hands in the air or you’re using them to masturbate.

And if a cop shoots you with a rubber bullet and you don’t view that as a command to leave - again - you are now an agitator.

EDIT: People, let this be a lesson to us all – if you’re ever at what do you think is a peaceful protest and riot breaks out, and you’re in between rioters throwing shit at police and police firing rubber bullets back (I seriously doubt there was not a command to disperse before the police started firing, which would make anyone who did not disperse immediately no longer a peaceful protestor), take that as a sign to leave.

If you don’t leave and you happen to get hit by some of the shit that rioters are throwing or you happen to get hit by not just one not just two but several rubber bullets, again - take that as a sign to leave. Don’t take it as a sign to try to negotiate a peaceful resolution of the riot between the rioters and police – that’s just stupid.

And also don’t take it as a sign to take a little break and then go back into the middle of the crossfire of the riot – again – just stupid.

 

[tinselwolverine]

in Atlanta, another black guy shot and killed by police. Passed out drunk in a Wendy's drive through. Fought with police. Took their taser and fired it at them. Police shot him. Assholes in Atlanta riot and burn down the Wendy's.

In this it does look like they shot him in the back as he was running away...the guy looks like he might have been firing the taser from behind his back without looking while running away...

This is not going to help things.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hnRuWcgflaE

 

[tinselwolverine]

Uh oh! Secret service saying they did use pepper spray. Go figure...a bunch of people with burning eyes weren't wrong after all!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...w-says-it-did-use-pepper-spray-clear-n1231022

So what?

And yes, the Park Police are right - it WAS a mistake for the police to deny it was tear gas - sounds a little fishy.

But has any police agency said yes, it was, at least in part, to expedite the photo op?

Even if the cops are lying, as long as they say it wasn?t, then the police action being reported as being for the photo op as fact is shoddy reporting.

A lot of people may believe it - and it may be true - but anything that is legitimately disputed is not a fact. It?s an opinion.

 

[Monster]

In this it does look like they shot him in the back as he was running away...the guy looks like he might have been firing the taser from behind his back without looking while running away...

This is not going to help things.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hnRuWcgflaE

If people are being rational, this video proves the police had a reason to shoot him.

He was cooperating until he was being arrested. Then, he decided it was a good idea to fight two police officers. Making things worse, they warned him repeatedly he was about to get tased and being the coward that he was, he took the taser away and ran after punching the cops a few times. Honestly impressive that he could get away from them. His desperation not to go to jail gave him a lot of strength. After he ran, he turned, shot the taser at the pursuing officer.

Now imagine you're that cop. You're chasing a man that punched you and had the balls to steal one of your weapons. What do you do when the taser hits you and he takes your gun? You're about to die or one of the civilians is about to be carjacked and injured or killed - your partner possibly.

Unless you think (like some idiot on cnn said) that the officer sought revenge because he was embarrassed his taser was taken, I don't see any other possible reason he is dead. This man's actions lead to his death. And now because it's 2020 and there is zero accountability on suspects' part, both of these cops will be in jail or unemployed for the rest of their lives.

George Floyd was murdered. This man killed himself.

 

[byco42]

If this does not illustrate that these politicians are under some sort of spell, or are at least the facilitators of a clear agenda, nothing does:

https://youtu.be/0lis0f1AI0Y

The Agenda is as bald-faced as it can get, and COVID and this unrest is what will accelerate it. Solve et Coagula. That's what's in progress.

 

[Spartanmack]

Uh oh! Secret service saying they did use pepper spray. Go figure...a bunch of people with burning eyes weren't wrong after all!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...w-says-it-did-use-pepper-spray-clear-n1231022

LOLOLOL - from your article the secret service said "one of their agents used pepper spray." Ummm, you do realize that doesn't invalidate the claim that those cannisters in the video weren't tear gas, right? To call that a reversal is just a wee bit of a stretch.

 

[tinselwolverine]

If people are being rational, this video proves the police had a reason to shoot him.

He was cooperating until he was being arrested. Then, he decided it was a good idea to fight two police officers. Making things worse, they warned him repeatedly he was about to get tased and being the coward that he was, he took the taser away and ran after punching the cops a few times. Honestly impressive that he could get away from them. His desperation not to go to jail gave him a lot of strength. After he ran, he turned, shot the taser at the pursuing officer.

Now imagine you're that cop. You're chasing a man that punched you and had the balls to steal one of your weapons. What do you do when the taser hits you and he takes your gun? You're about to die or one of the civilians is about to be carjacked and injured or killed - your partner possibly.

Unless you think (like some idiot on cnn said) that?s the officer sought revenge because he was embarrassed his taser was taken, I don't see any other possible reason he is dead. This man's actions lead to his death. And now because it's 2020 and there is zero accountability on suspects' part, both of these cops will be in jail or unemployed for the rest of their lives.

George Floyd was murdered. This man killed himself.

What I bolded is what I think when I hear people talking about this, saying that a taser is not a deadly weapon.

 

[Spartanmack]

Are you serious?

This is the worst example you could use.

?The protest started peacefully, but became increasingly violent when some people started throwing bottles and other objects at officers.?

?The 24 year old said he tried to tell those who were throwing objects at the police to stop, but to no avail.?

DUDE, YOU?RE NOT PARTICIPATING IN A PEACEFUL PROTEST ANYMORE! NOW YOU?RE PART OF A RIOT! GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE!

Hughes, do you even read the shit you post to support your arguments?

EDIT: After watching the video, I have come to the conclusion that the guy has got to be about the stupidest motherfucker who ever walked.

Peops, watch the vid Hughes posted, and ask yourself this question - if you had been shot by rubber bullets, in between the crossfire of rioters throwing shit at police and police firing rubber bullets back, would you walk away to the side to take a short break, catch a breath, and then go back into the crossfire?

What a stupid, dumbass motherfucker!

He's not the only stupid, dumbass motherfucker. would anyone watch that video and them claim the police targeted him as a peaceful protestor and it's their fault for not differentiating him from the assholes throwing rocks and frozen water bottles at them?

 

[Spartanmack]

Various sources show the IQ of a Marine is somewhat higher.

I have my doubts the guy really was a Marine; they showed a blurred photo of a marine for a few seconds, don?t know if it was him or not.

The guy certainly was not thinking especially strategically, nor did it seem he was responding to commands all that well.

I have very little doubt that at least one cop told him to step the hell out of the way, get the hell out of there and go home.

If a cop tells you to leave a location and you don?t, you are now an agitator, I don?t care if you have your hands in the air or you?re using them to masturbate.

And if a cop shoots you with a rubber bullet and you don?t view that as a command to leave - again - you are now an agitator.

EDIT: People, let this be a lesson to us all ? if you?re ever at what do you think is a peaceful protest and riot breaks out, and you?re in between rioters throwing shit at police and police firing rubber bullets back (I seriously doubt there was not a command to disperse before the police started firing, which would make anyone who did not disperse immediately no longer a peaceful protestor), take that as a sign to leave.

If you don?t leave and you happen to get hit by some of the shit that rioters are throwing or you happen to get hit by not just one not just two but several rubber bullets, again - take that as a sign to leave. Don?t take it as a sign to try to negotiate a peaceful resolution of the riot between the rioters and police ? that?s just stupid.

And also don?t take it as a sign to take a little break and then go back into the middle of the crossfire of the riot ? again ? just stupid.

but definitely expect the cops to differentiate between you and the guys throwing the rocks and frozen water bottles amid all the chaos and expect them to politely ask you to step aside before they begin to defend themselves. /sarcasm

 

[tinselwolverine]

He's not the only stupid, dumbass motherfucker. would anyone watch that video and them claim the police targeted him as a peaceful protestor and it's their fault for not differentiating him from the assholes throwing rocks and frozen water bottles at them?

His actions do make it seem like he was kinda askin? for it:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ORPeCXiJwyM

 

[Spartanmack]

So what?

And yes, the Park Police are right - it WAS a mistake for the police to deny it was tear gas - sounds a little fishy.

But has any police agency said yes, it was, at least in part, to expedite the photo op?

Even if the cops are lying, as long as they say it wasn?t, then the police action being reported as being for the photo op as fact is shoddy reporting.

A lot of people may believe it - and it may be true - but anything that is legitimately disputed is not a fact. It?s an opinion.

the article says pepper spray was used by one officer "on one assaultive individual." They haven't walked back the claim that the cannisters used on the crowd at large were smoke and not tear gas or pepper spray. The idea that this is some kind of "gotcha" moment seems off the mark.

 

[tinselwolverine]

the article says pepper spray was used by one officer "on one assaultive individual." They haven't walked back the claim that the cannisters used on the crowd at large were smoke and not tear gas or pepper spray. The idea that this is some kind of "gotcha" moment seems off the mark.

I misread it. I read it again; on the second read they seem to be saying some people broadly view the pepper ball agent they used as tear gas, and they acknowledge it does have some of the same effects of CN or CS, which they still contend they didn?t use.

Some view their saying it wasn?t tear as an attempt to be misleading, and that wasn?t their intent.

Splitting hairs at this point. I still say ?so what??

If you?re at a peaceful protest and violence is starting - now you?re in a riot. Get the hell out of there now.

If the police order the crowd to disperse, now the crowd is a mob and refusing to comply with the order to disperse is a crime. So get the hell out of there.

Immediately move away from the crowd in a speedy but orderly manner.

Don?t look back.

Go home.

You?re very unlikely to get gassed or peppered or hit by any rubber bullets if you do this.

Go to the next peaceful protest and if that one gets violent, same dispersal protocol applies.

Wash, rinse and repeat.

 

[tinselwolverine]

but definitely expect the cops to differentiate between you and the guys throwing the rocks and frozen water bottles amid all the chaos and expect them to politely ask you to step aside before they begin to defend themselves. /sarcasm

Well, with a riot clearly underway the police understandably saw this knucklehead as part of the assault and if his hands were raised at that point they were just a visual impediment to the police; all he was doing functionally was giving cover to the rioters.

I absolutely would have shot the bastard had I been a cop, and after he left and came back, I would have started aiming for his head.

Which is what I guess they did.

 

[Polish-Hammer]

Pepper balls and tear gas are very different.


Tear gas indiscriminately affects a large sized area.

Pepper balls are targetted against a single target with a very small and limited 'spray' area. It is also largely ineffective.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Pepper balls and tear gas are very different.


Tear gas indiscriminately affects a large sized area.

Pepper balls are targetted against a single target with a very small and limited 'spray' area. It is also largely ineffective.

So the pepper balls are the riot control equivalent of wearing nose and mouth coverings in public to prevent the spread of the Covid?

 

[Spartanmack]

I misread it. I read it again; on the second read they seem to be saying some people broadly view the pepper ball agent they used as tear gas, and they acknowledge it does have some of the same effects of CN or CS, which they still contend they didn’t use.

Some view their saying it wasn’t tear as an attempt to be misleading, and that wasn’t their intent.

Splitting hairs at this point. I still say “so what?”

If you’re at a peaceful protest and violence is starting - now you’re in a riot. Get the hell out of there now.

If the police order the crowd to disperse, now the crowd is a mob and refusing to comply with the order to disperse is a crime. So get the hell out of there.

Immediately move away from the crowd in a speedy but orderly manner.

Don’t look back.

Go home.

You’re very unlikely to get gassed or peppered or hit by any rubber bullets if you do this.

Go to the next peaceful protest and if that one gets violent, same dispersal protocol applies.

Wash, rinse and repeat.

I interpreted the article to say one officer sprayed one assaultive protestor - to me that means he/she sprayed him/her/xe with a hand held pepper spray device, kinda like what chicks (and maybe hughes) have on their keychains, not that the cannisters fired into the crowd were actually pepper spray or tear gas. And I think there is a clear attempt to mislead in the article - the headline reads:

Secret Service now says it did use pepper spray to clear protesters during the Trump church photo op

the implication is they used it on multiple protestors, like the cannisters actually were tear gas and not smoke. Then about half way down they say one officer used it on a single assaultive protestor. They're clever enough to know most people will just read the headline then run to twitter, facebook (and DSF) to tell everyone they were right all along and the administration lied again. And of course Snopes will confirm this if they pick it up.

 

[tomdalton22]

It keeps happening. Protesters get tear gassed near the St Cloud MN police station after police shoot 2 black men.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/us/st-cloud-police-shooting-minnesota/index.html

oops...the story was wrong. It was a police officer that got shot by a black man. Nobody died. End of story...nothing to see here.

 

[Spartanmack]

It keeps happening. Protesters get tear gassed near the St Cloud MN police station after police shoot 2 black men.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/us/st-cloud-police-shooting-minnesota/index.html

oops...the story was wrong. It was a police officer that got shot by a black man. Nobody died. End of story...nothing to see here.

shocking! it's getting even less coverage than the fact that the Wendy's where Brooks was shot has been burned down. What does the restaurant or it's owner have to do with any of it? Is it because an employee called police because a drunk was passed out and blocking the drive through?

Maybe it's not being covered because a couple protestors said they didn't think the woman suspected of starting the blaze wasn't actually with the protest - apparently she's a pyromaniac who just happened to target a Wendy's where a protest was happening.

 

[tinselwolverine]

shocking! it's getting even less coverage than the fact that the Wendy's where Brooks was shot has been burned down. What does the restaurant or it's owner have to do with any of it? Is it because an employee called police because a drunk was passed out and blocking the drive through?

Maybe it's not being covered because a couple protestors said they didn't think the woman suspected of starting the blaze wasn't actually with the protest - apparently she's a pyromaniac who just happened to target a Wendy's where a protest was happening.

It?s a little surprising the police actually got there before somebody behind the guy hungry for their big hot Dave?s Double (ooh-make a note - great name for a porno) didn?t get out of their car and shoot the drunk motherfucker themself.

 

[Spartanmack]

It’s a little surprising the police actually got there before somebody behind the guy hungry for their big hot Dave’s Double (ooh-make a note - great name for a porno) didn’t get out of their car and shoot the drunk motherfucker themself.

kinda strange when you think about it - the senseless murder of a black man by a hangry Wendy's patron probably wouldn't stir the same level of outrage as a cop shooting an armed suspect who has already assaulted them while resisting arrest.