Ferguson, MO

[mhughes0021]

The cop obviously did several things wrong in the instance of the ATL shooting or else he wouldnt have been fired the very next day. Black former homicide detective, Ted Williams, brought up several key points:

He purposely takes his body cam off....its laying on the ground when he fires his gun.

During a national riot why the fuck are arresting a black guy in ATL for SLEEPING in his car...are you a fucking moron?

Theres obvious things the back dude did wrong as well...
running from police
stealing a taser
firing a taser at police

Does that justify being shot and killed? Probably in some states. But again...if the guy did everything right he probably wouldnt have been fired the next day.

 

[Spartanmack]

The cop obviously did several things wrong in the instance of the ATL shooting or else he wouldnt have been fired the very next day. Black former homicide detective, Ted Williams, brought up several key points:

He purposely takes his body cam off....its laying on the ground when he fires his gun.

During a national riot why the fuck are arresting a black guy in ATL for SLEEPING in his car...are you a fucking moron?

Theres obvious things the back dude did wrong as well...
running from police
stealing a taser
firing a taser at police

Does that justify being shot and killed? Probably in some states. But again...if the guy did everything right he probably wouldnt have been fired the next day.

Are you serious? So the rest of society has to be put at risk while drunk drivers and other criminals of color get free reign to break the law because there are riots happening all across the country? at least you admit they're riots.

 

[tinselwolverine]

kinda strange when you think about it - the senseless murder of a black man by an hangry Wendy's patron probably wouldn't stir the same level of outrage as a cop shooting an armed suspect who has already assaulted them while resisting arrest.

AND had weaponized everything he could to that point - he weaponized his body to fight off the polIce, then he weaponized his body get hold of the taser, then he weaponized the taser.

So why would anyone assume he WOULDN?T weaponize the firearm of an officer he managed to subdue with the taser, as Monster has already pointed out?

 

[mhughes0021]

Are you serious? So the rest of society has to be put at risk while drunk drivers and other criminals of color get free reign to break the law because there are riots happening all across the country? at least you admit they're riots.

He wasn't driving. He was sleeping. What risk? Im on the side of people living. Sleeping in your car shouldn't be a death sentence. Driving drunk shouldn't be a death sentence. Running from police shouldn't be a death sentence. Firing a non lethal taser at cops in my opinion shouldn't be a death sentence. Sure if he felt the need to defend himself he had that right.. and he did. It also got his ass fired.

 

[biggunsbob]

I agree with Hughes . This is a tricky one because he resisted arrest then pointed the Taser at the police. But Alas the Police had a real gun. But after what has happened to people of color over the years maybe he was afraid. For sure he was drunk and not thinking right. Man he talked so long with the police. It seems like these can all be prevented with better traing maybe. This should not have ended up in a death.

 

[Spartanmack]

He wasn't driving. He was sleeping. What risk? Im on the side of people living. Sleeping in your car shouldn't be a death sentence. Driving drunk shouldn't be a death sentence. Running from police shouldn't be a death sentence. Firing a non lethal taser at cops in my opinion shouldn't be a death sentence. Sure if he felt the need to defend himself he had that right.. and he did. It also got his ass fired.

He DROVE there and he was clearly drunk. He failed a breathalizer and a field sobriety test. And he didn't receive a death sentence for sleeping in his car or for driving drunk or for running from cops or for firing a non-lethal taser at cops - that's just moronic. He was being arrest for drunk driving because he was driving drunk. He died from gunshot wounds he received after resisting arresting, assaulting police officers and firing at them with their taser.

If the cops didn't arrest him and he got in his car, he could have easily killed someone. WHat should they have done? Just let him sleep in his car, maybe set up a road block and direct drive thru traffic to go around him? If you fall asleep behind the wheel of a running car while drunk, you're going to get charged with drunk driving. Everyone knows that.

The cop getting fired by an anti-cop mayor doesn't prove your case.

 

[Spartanmack]

I agree with Hughes.

This is not at all surprising. Unfortunately for Hughes, it actually hurts his argument.

 

[Polish-Hammer]

The cop obviously did several things wrong in the instance of the ATL shooting or else he wouldnt have been fired the very next day. Black former homicide detective, Ted Williams, brought up several key points:

He purposely takes his body cam off....its laying on the ground when he fires his gun.

During a national riot why the fuck are arresting a black guy in ATL for SLEEPING in his car...are you a fucking moron?

Theres obvious things the back dude did wrong as well...
running from police
stealing a taser
firing a taser at police

Does that justify being shot and killed? Probably in some states. But again...if the guy did everything right he probably wouldnt have been fired the next day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT01znN_PiU
Yup, look at him purposefully take off the body camera @1:45

With both hands trying to restrain the suspects arm, he cleverly uses the suspect's elbow (on purpose) to remove the body camera. :hehe:

What kind of a retarded fantasy world are you living in?



He was fired because in an attempt to quell the protests. That never works btw.

They aren't arresting a guy for sleeping in his car. They are arresting a guy for a DUI.

But yah, the police shouldn't enforce the laws at all when protests are happening. That's a very valid point you bring up. :clap:

Sorry to tell you that but this moron resisting arrest is why he is dead.

Didn't wanna go back to jail for violating his parole.

 

[Polish-Hammer]

I agree with Hughes . This is a tricky one because he resisted arrest then pointed the Taser at the police. But Alas the Police had a real gun. But after what has happened to people of color over the years maybe he was afraid. For sure he was drunk and not thinking right. Man he talked so long with the police. It seems like these can all be prevented with better traing maybe. This should not have ended up in a death.

He didn't wanna go back to jail for violating his parole.


He didn't just point the taser, he shot the taser. Even after the initial shot you can easily remove the cartridge and use it for dry stunning.



But yes, that incident could have been prevented had those two officers been proficient in hand-to-hand grappling.

 

[biggunsbob]

He didn't wanna go back to jail for violating his parole.


He didn't just point the taser, he shot the taser. Even after the initial shot you can easily remove the cartridge and use it for dry stunning.



But yes, that incident could have been prevented had those two officers been proficient in hand-to-hand grappling.

So what. I am sure he was scared of both of those police officers.

Last I checked Taser they are suppose to be non Lethal. If the police is trained well enough maybe he didn’t need to plug him 2 times in the back why he was running away. I guess the taser could have hit a eye or bounced off body armor.
Look I never said the police couldn’t defend themselves. I never said this wasn’t a gray area either. Nothing like the murder of Floyd. But it is still pretty bad.

 

[biggunsbob]

This is not at all surprising. Unfortunately for Hughes, it actually hurts his argument.

I find it strange how you are the only one that can have a opinion.
No wonder we don?t have any members on this board.

Seriously what the heck is wrong with you ?

 

[Spartanmack]

I find it strange how you are the only one that can have a opinion.
No wonder we don’t have any members on this board.

Seriously what the heck is wrong with you ?

Nothing at all, I'm totally fine. Who said you can't have an opinion? Am I not allowed to have an opinion of your opinion? Isn't that the point of the board? If anyone has quit the board, it's most likely because they don't like fact that not everyone thinks or believes the same things they do and because they hate being fact-checked. If you're thinking of who I think you are, I have no doubt he's retreated to some safe space echo chamber where everyone talks about things like how evil and racist America is and write-in votes for Bernie Sanders.

 

[Polish-Hammer]

So what. I am sure he was scared of both of those police officers.

Last I checked Taser they are suppose to be non Lethal. If the police is trained well enough maybe he didn?t need to plug him 2 times in the back why he was running away. I guess the taser could have hit a eye or bounced off body armor.
Look I never said the police couldn?t defend themselves. I never said this wasn?t a gray area either. Nothing like the murder of Floyd. But it is still pretty bad.

So lets address both points.

While tasers are classified as 'less than' lethal, fatalities still occur. Also because a fatality does not occur does not mean an injury does not occur.


A taser can still be used after the cartridge has been spend by using the dry stun. So him shooting the taser does not immediately remove the thread he posed with the weapon.

Also as an off-shoot, under the police use of force continuum. Most agencies are trained to go 1 level above what the suspect is wielding.

Ex. They want to use hands you use baton or the baton's replacement the taser.

Ex. Suspect has a knife you use your gun.


I should also point out that any object could be considered a 'deadly' weapon if you had the intent to do harm with it. Shoe, pencil, scissors etc. Depending on local laws of course, but that is the general case in Canadian/US judicial systems.



The second point.

Running away does not mean someone is not a threat. The suspect is still armed with a weapon that can cause harm to the officer or others.

The suspect has also demonstrated his willingness to commit harm.

 

[tinselwolverine]

So what. I am sure he was scared of both of those police officers.

Last I checked Taser they are suppose to be non Lethal. If the police is trained well enough maybe he didn?t need to plug him 2 times in the back why he was running away. I guess the taser could have hit a eye or bounced off body armor.
Look I never said the police couldn?t defend themselves. I never said this wasn?t a gray area either. Nothing like the murder of Floyd. But it is still pretty bad.

Yes.

Virtually nothing any singular atrocity anyone has ever seen compares to the murder of Floyd.

It is universally viewed as abhorrent and the murderer is charged and as I understand is in custody (I?ve heard bail was set but not heard he?s been released on bail).

The other three are charged with accessory to murder.

The Floyd bar stands alone.

It is not evidence of systemic racism.

The response of police to Brooks resisting arrest and weaponizing everything he could is not evidence of systemic racism.

 

[tomdalton22]

running from police
stealing a taser
firing a taser at police

If I did these three things, I would expect to get shot.

 

[Spartanmack]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT01znN_PiU
Yup, look at him purposefully take off the body camera @1:45

With both hands trying to restrain the suspects arm, he cleverly uses the suspect's elbow (on purpose) to remove the body camera. :hehe:

maybe BLM should add requiring cameras permanently fixed to the bodies of all officers to their list of demands.

 

[Spartanmack]

So lets address both points.

While tasers are classified as 'less than' lethal, fatalities still occur. Also because a fatality does not occur does not mean an injury does not occur.


A taser can still be used after the cartridge has been spend by using the dry stun. So him shooting the taser does not immediately remove the thread he posed with the weapon.

Also as an off-shoot, under the police use of force continuum. Most agencies are trained to go 1 level above what the suspect is wielding.

Ex. They want to use hands you use baton or the baton's replacement the taser.

Ex. Suspect has a knife you use your gun.


I should also point out that any object could be considered a 'deadly' weapon if you had the intent to do harm with it. Shoe, pencil, scissors etc. Depending on local laws of course, but that is the general case in Canadian/US judicial systems.



The second point.

Running away does not mean someone is not a threat. The suspect is still armed with a weapon that can cause harm to the officer or others.

The suspect has also demonstrated his willingness to commit harm.

and as Tinsel pointed out earlier - if he was able to taser the cop (or is it "tase" the cop?), he could have easily upgraded his weapon to the cops pistol. He's already demonstrated a willingness to fight cops, take one weapon and use it against them, who is to say that's where he draws the line.

 

[byco42]

I find it strange how you are the only one that can have a opinion.
No wonder we don?t have any members on this board.

There are 1,300+ members here. How many post is a different question, I suppose.

 

[mhughes0021]

Look, i said in my original post he probably deserved to get shot. But, i also think thats why things need to change. Youre afraid for your life as the cop..how about you stop running after him? You think a taser is going to get you from 100 yards away? Theres other options. Youve been speaking with the guy for 30 minutes.....you have his fucking car. You obviously know who he is. Ending his life should have been the VERY last option....and it ended up being the first. Let him run. Arrest him later after it deescalates. Tack on a bunch of charges and throw his ass in jail for longer than you would have initially. This is exactly what BLM is all about because every single one of us has seen a white crack head do the exact same thing on live PD and not get shot in the back twice.

For the record i do not think the cop acted based on race and he handled him self very well until he lost control and fucked up the arrest. Unfortunately, you have millions of protestors around the country setting cities on fire that want to make everything about race right now.

 

[Polish-Hammer]

Look, i said in my original post he probably deserved to get shot. But, i also think thats why things need to change. Youre afraid for your life as the cop..how about you stop running after him? You think a taser is going to get you from 100 yards away? Theres other options. Youve been speaking with the guy for 30 minutes.....you have his fucking car. You obviously know who he is. Ending his life should have been the VERY last option....and it ended up being the first. Let him run. Arrest him later after it deescalates. Tack on a bunch of charges and throw his ass in jail for longer than you would have initially. This is exactly what BLM is all about because every single one of us has seen a white crack head do the exact same thing on live PD and not get shot in the back twice.

For the record i do not think the cop acted based on race and he handled him self very well until he lost control and fucked up the arrest. Unfortunately, you have millions of protestors around the country setting cities on fire that want to make everything about race right now.

Again, you are 100% correct. Police shouldn't run after armed suspects if they are already identified, they can always find them later. :hehe:


Had he ranaway without a weapon he wouldn't have been shot.