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Ferguson, MO

Perfect...so your response to a drunk guy that is resisting arrest and takes a cops taser is is to shoot him 100 times out of 100. Its an opinion. Not a smart one and definitely doesnt move the conversation forward. Congrats...this is why BLM is a thing and will continue to be a thing forever without anything getting accomplished. good job!

no, that's not even close to my response. My response is when you drive drunk, resist arrest, steal a cops weapon and try to use it on him while attempting to avoid arrest and the cops fatally wound you, I don't blame the cops for your death. I'm not going to make an ass of myself making ridiculous claims about what the cops did or should have done after watching a video that shows they clearly showed restraint when appropriate and the escalation by the suspect justified if not necessitated their eventual use of force.

I would prefer that cops never have to shoot anyone, but 0 for 100 is just as unrealistic and stupid as 100 for 100. I also think it's beyond stupid to say this incident in any way lends any legitimacy to BLM or the protests going on right now.

So, please answer the question. What would you be saying about the cops if they let him go and he subsequently assaulted or robbed or injured or killed someone intentionally or in an accident? Would you be on here defending them for their discretion in deescalating and saying that's what they're supposed to do in confrontations with violent criminals - let them go as soon as they attempt to flee 100 out of 100 times?
 
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Hey, watch it.

This board is supposed to be a safe space.

No sports rivalry smack on the politics board.

I was just trying to provide a little perspective and couldn't think of any other analogs... comparing them to something like Florida State Ice Hockey would be taking it too far. Besides, I don't know if the Seminoles even have a club team.
 
I was just trying to provide a little perspective and couldn't think of any other analogs... comparing them to something like Florida State Ice Hockey would be taking it too far. Besides, I don't know if the Seminoles even have a club team.

FSU Hockey

Just about everywhere has at least rec league hockey.

The only time I ever got into anybody?s face on line was years ago, on the ESPN board when some absolute moron suggested that the NCAA should ?open up the hockey tournament a little,? and used UCLA as an example, and noted that hockey is played at every school in the SEC, and I asked him what he was smoking and told him ?they don?t play no hockey at UCLA.?

Boy, did that knit wit get his panties in a bunch and started posting links to UCLA club hockey, with no understanding that it had no connection to the UCLA AD or the NCAA.

Don?t know what it was, but something really made me go off on his dumb ass. He refused to understand that a rec team has nothing to do with the NCAA.

He really felt stupid when he figured it out, and chose to punish me by telling me that he was done posting with me forever.

Kinda not my style, but boy, it was funny.
 
You left out that he also used the taser...I agree with TD22 in #1034...this is a pretty dangerous guy...

As far as 100 out of 100... I‘ve never heard of this happening before EVER... I think I’ve heard of cops having their guns taken away before...

I asked you in #1031, I’ll ask you again...how much peril are the police supposed to allow themselves to be in before protecting themselves?

i actually agreed in my original post that he probably deserved to be shot. Im trying to move the conversation forward into this BLM type of new policing. What would that look like for a cop in this exact situation? What should the expectation of the cop in that situation be. I agree you cant let a drunk guy with a weapon comming off parole simply run into public. Ive seen videos on this from Trevor Noah insist that "why are armed cops being called to deal with drunk people sleeping in cars?" I think thats probably the wrong question to ask...its the cops job to protect the public. Ive seen a black former homicide detective, Ted Williams, ask why the cop was fired prior to an investigation even happening? The answer is more than likely a black mayor thats a strong candidate for vice president inserting her politics into policing.

In all honesty i dont think this conversation/instance belongs in the BLM conversation...but people are putting it there because of the time were in.

The 5 or 6 black people hanging from trees in the past week...thst probably more deserving of a BLM conversations. This...im guessing the white tweeker does this same thing and he gets shot in the back twice as well although theres statistics out there that shows he gets shot in the back a lot less than the black guy...come full circle...hence BLM.
 
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FSU Hockey

Just about everywhere has at least rec league hockey.

The only time I ever got into anybody?s face on line was years ago, on the ESPN board when some absolute moron suggested that the NCAA should ?open up the hockey tournament a little,? and used UCLA as an example, and noted that hockey is played at every school in the SEC, and I asked him what he was smoking and told him ?they don?t play no hockey at UCLA.?

Boy, did that knit wit get his panties in a bunch and started posting links to UCLA club hockey, with no understanding that it had no connection to the UCLA AD or the NCAA.

Don?t know what it was, but something really made me go off on his dumb ass. He refused to understand that a rec team has nothing to do with the NCAA.

He really felt stupid when he figured it out, and chose to punish me by telling me that he was done posting with me forever.

Kinda not my style, but boy, it was funny.

his fatal error was choosing UCLA instead of Penn State - they went from club to B1G contender instantly. They were one of the top club programs in the nation for a long time though. Not sure how competitive they are now - I kinda lost interest with the Spartans being perennial basement dwellers.
 
i actually agreed in my original post that he probably deserved to be shot. Im trying to move the conversation forward into this BLM type of new policing. What would that look like for a cop in this exact situation? What should the expectation of the cop in that situation be. I agree you cant let a drunk guy with a weapon comming off parole simply run into public. Ive seen videos on this from Trevor Noah insist that "why are armed cops being called to deal with drunk people sleeping in cars?" I think thats probably the wrong question to ask...its the cops job to protect the public. Ive seen a black former homicide detective, Ted Williams, ask why the cop was fired prior to an investigation even happening? The answer is more than likely a black mayor thats a strong candidate for vice president inserting her politics into policing.

In all honesty i dont think this conversation/instance belongs in the BLM conversation...but people are putting it there because of the time were in.

The 5 or 6 black people hanging from trees in the past week...thst probably more deserving of a BLM conversations. This...im guessing the white tweeker does this same thing and he gets shot in the back twice as well although theres statistics out there that shows he gets shot in the back a lot less than the black guy...come full circle...hence BLM.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/us/nakia-crawford-akron-ohio-shooting-death-trnd/index.html

This black girl too. She was shot killed while sitting at a red light.

I guess if they were to get rid of the police, this wouldn't have happened. All of the criminals would be rehabilitated and be productive members of society.
 
his fatal error was choosing UCLA instead of Penn State - they went from club to B1G contender instantly. They were one of the top club programs in the nation for a long time though. Not sure how competitive they are now - I kinda lost interest with the Spartans being perennial basement dwellers.

2007...thought it was more recent than that.

I remember everybody on the M board saying they were going to watch the game and root for MSU. Guess rooting the Spartans in hockey isn?t the same heresy as rooting for them in football or basketball.
 
i actually agreed in my original post that he probably deserved to be shot. Im trying to move the conversation forward into this BLM type of new policing. What would that look like for a cop in this exact situation? What should the expectation of the cop in that situation be. I agree you cant let a drunk guy with a weapon comming off parole simply run into public. Ive seen videos on this from Trevor Noah insist that "why are armed cops being called to deal with drunk people sleeping in cars?" I think thats probably the wrong question to ask...its the cops job to protect the public. Ive seen a black former homicide detective, Ted Williams, ask why the cop was fired prior to an investigation even happening? The answer is more than likely a black mayor thats a strong candidate for vice president inserting her politics into policing.

In all honesty i dont think this conversation/instance belongs in the BLM conversation...but people are putting it there because of the time were in.

The 5 or 6 black people hanging from trees in the past week...thst probably more deserving of a BLM conversations. This...im guessing the white tweeker does this same thing and he gets shot in the back twice as well although theres statistics out there that shows he gets shot in the back a lot less than the black guy...come full circle...hence BLM.

the statistics don't show that though - not even close. The statistic, adjusting for crime rates because police interactions happen because of crimes, show that white suspects are more likely to victims of deadly force than black suspects (4 deaths per 100k interactions with police for white suspects involving violent crimes vs. 3 per 100k for black suspects). Black suspects are more likely to be shot by black and Hispanic officers than by white officers. Police officers are 18.5x more likely to be murdered by a black suspect than an unarmed black person is to be shot by a cop. There were a total of 9 unarmed black people killed by police in 2019 in over 60mm police/civilian interactions. BLM itself is largely base lies - there is no evidence to suggest there is systemic racism in policing, black people aren't being targeted for murder by cops of any race. Systemic police brutality isn't a real thing.

None of this is to say there aren't problems - literally everyone thinks what happened to George Floyd is horrific. But the guy who did it has been fired, charged and will be tried for the crime. What happened to the woman in Louisville is horrible, everyone agrees with that. When you have the wrong diagnosis, you get the wrong cure - and that wrong cure will make urban America worse if not completely destroy it. What we need is reform, like body cams, training, one Minnie cop said Minnie police are specifically taught that Chauvin's actions are dangerous and prohibited so there needs to be accountability as well when cops violate their own rules of engagement, unions need to be reformed so they can't protect bad cops like Chauvin - the guy should have been fired years ago, but instead he was a training officer because his union is so powerful.

BLM has it wrong and if they get what they want, it's going to get a whole lot worse for people who live poor communities in America because they need more and better police, not less and certainly not none.
 
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Again, you are 100% correct. Police shouldn't run after armed suspects if they are already identified, they can always find them later. :hehe:


Had he ranaway without a weapon he wouldn't have been shot.

Damn, can you imagine if he had gotten away, carjacked someone, killed someone while driving because he's drunk? Or maybe he actually hits the cop, takes his gun, the cop's partner approaches and he pulls a little kid out of one of those cars and holds the gun to her head? So many bad things could have happened if they let him go. I hope both cops sue the department and win millions of dollars.

Tired of seeing so much emotional bias going on. Especially for scumbags like him and george floyd! This guy was a child abuser and floyd was a drug addict that holds a gun to pregnant women's bellies while his friends rob her. George floyd murdered, but the guy has never been a hero. This guy was killed after fighting police, fully justified killing in the heat of the moment and was also scum. Time to stop making heroes out of zeroes.
 
2007...thought it was more recent than that.

I remember everybody on the M board saying they were going to watch the game and root for MSU. Guess rooting the Spartans in hockey isn?t the same heresy as rooting for them in football or basketball.

it was a great year, but the unintended consequence of it was Rick Comley who didn't recruit any of those players, got all the credit for it and was kept around way longer than he should have been. That resulted in him driving the program into the gutter and it hasn't been able to recover since.
 
the statistics don't show that though - not even close. The statistic, adjusting for crime rates because police interactions happen because of crimes, show that white suspects are more likely to victims of deadly force than black suspects (4 deaths per 100k interactions with police for white suspects involving violent crimes vs. 3 per 100k for black suspects). Black suspects are more likely to be shot by black and Hispanic officers than by white officers. Police officers are 18.5x more likely to be murdered by a black suspect than an unarmed black person is to be shot by a cop. There were a total of 9 unarmed black people killed by police in 2019 in over 60mm police/civilian interactions. BLM itself is largely base lies - there is no evidence to suggest there is systemic racism in policing, black people aren't being targeted for murder by cops of any race. Systemic police brutality isn't a real thing.

None of this is to say there aren't problems - literally everyone thinks what happened to George Floyd is horrific. But the guy who did it has been fired, charged and will be tried for the crime. What happened to the woman in Louisville is horrible, everyone agrees with that. When you have the wrong diagnosis, you get the wrong cure - and that wrong cure will make urban America worse if not completely destroy it. What we need is reform, like body cams, training, one Minnie cop said Minnie police are specifically taught that Chauvin's actions are dangerous and prohibited so there needs to be accountability as well when cops violate their own rules of engagement, unions need to be reformed so they can't protect bad cops like Chauvin - the guy should have been fired years ago, but instead he was a training officer because his union is so powerful.

BLM has it wrong and if they get what they want, it's going to get a whole lot worse for people who live poor communities in America because they need more and better police, not less and certainly not none.

Black lives matter but I will never support Black Lives Matter. The lies, exaggerations, and cherry picking of stats to make white people look like greedy racists is stomach turning. Yes, what happened to George Floyd was horrible, but what about the mentally ill white guy from Dallas last summer that nobody knows about? Those police actually mocked him as he was dying and laughed at him. Didn't hear a single mother fucker nationally call this to attention. This shit happens to everyone in America, but it's never talkee about when it's a white guy because that ruins CNN, MSNBC, BLM, and liberal politicians' narrative if they aren't promoting an unfair and oppressed black community.

Plenty of racists out there. I've seen many and they disgust me. No denying that, but I'm sick of the lies being told. Racism is in everything now.
 
Black lives matter but I will never support Black Lives Matter. The lies, exaggerations, and cherry picking of stats to make white people look like greedy racists is stomach turning. Yes, what happened to George Floyd was horrible, but what about the mentally ill white guy from Dallas last summer that nobody knows about? Those police actually mocked him as he was dying and laughed at him. Didn't hear a single mother fucker nationally call this to attention. This shit happens to everyone in America, but it's never talkee about when it's a white guy because that ruins CNN, MSNBC, BLM, and liberal politicians' narrative if they aren't promoting an unfair and oppressed black community.

Plenty of racists out there. I've seen many and they disgust me. No denying that, but I'm sick of the lies being told. Racism is in everything now.

Agreed - black lives matter as much as any other, anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly racist. But the BLM movement is way off base and if they get what they want, poor black people in urban America will be the losers, not the winners in that bargain.

unfortunately for that white guy, he was mentally ill. If instead, he was a crackhead who did what Brooks did, he'd be alive because according to Hughes, we've all seen white crackheads do exactly what Brooks did and they never get shot.
 
Hes being charged with Felony Murder. Pictures of the 2 cops...1 standing on his shoulders while the other kicks him. The dude was shot twice in the back and dead...and the cops were kicking him? Anyones mind changed?
 
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Black lives matter but I will never support Black Lives Matter. The lies, exaggerations, and cherry picking of stats to make white people look like greedy racists is stomach turning. Yes, what happened to George Floyd was horrible, but what about the mentally ill white guy from Dallas last summer that nobody knows about? Those police actually mocked him as he was dying and laughed at him. Didn't hear a single mother fucker nationally call this to attention. This shit happens to everyone in America, but it's never talkee about when it's a white guy because that ruins CNN, MSNBC, BLM, and liberal politicians' narrative if they aren't promoting an unfair and oppressed black community.

Plenty of racists out there. I've seen many and they disgust me. No denying that, but I'm sick of the lies being told. Racism is in everything now.

Thats not what Black live Matter is though...Thats what BLM is for a select few and for people that want to inject politics into it. Here is the BLM for Idiots version (so Spartan can read it too) from Reddit. Jk Spartan lol.

Imagine that you're sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don't get any. So you say "I should get my fair share." And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, "everyone should get their fair share." Now, that's a wonderful sentiment -- indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad's smart-ass comment just dismissed you and didn't solve the problem that you still haven't gotten any!

The problem is that the statement "I should get my fair share" had an implicit "too" at the end: "I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else." But your dad's response treated your statement as though you meant "only I should get my fair share", which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that "everyone should get their fair share," while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.

That's the situation of the "black lives matter" movement. Culture, laws, the arts, religion, and everyone else repeatedly suggest that all lives should matter. Clearly, that message already abounds in our society.

The problem is that, in practice, the world doesn't work the way. You see the film Nightcrawler? You know the part where Renee Russo tells Jake Gyllenhal that she doesn't want footage of a black or latino person dying, she wants news stories about affluent white people being killed? That's not made up out of whole cloth -- there is a news bias toward stories that the majority of the audience (who are white) can identify with. So when a young black man gets killed (prior to the recent police shootings), it's generally not considered "news", while a middle-aged white woman being killed is treated as news. And to a large degree, that is accurate -- young black men are killed in significantly disproportionate numbers, which is why we don't treat it as anything new. But the result is that, societally, we don't pay as much attention to certain people's deaths as we do to others. So, currently, we don't treat all lives as though they matter equally.

Just like asking dad for your fair share, the phrase "black lives matter" also has an implicit "too" at the end: it's saying that black lives should also matter. But responding to this by saying "all lives matter" is willfully going back to ignoring the problem. It's a way of dismissing the statement by falsely suggesting that it means "only black lives matter," when that is obviously not the case. And so saying "all lives matter" as a direct response to "black lives matter" is essentially saying that we should just go back to ignoring the problem.

TL;DR: The phrase "Black lives matter" carries an implicit "too" at the end; it's saying that black lives should also matter. Saying "all lives matter" is dismissing the very problems that the phrase is trying to draw attention to.
 
Thats not what Black live Matter is though...Thats what BLM is for a select few and for people that want to inject politics into it. Here is the BLM for Idiots version (so Spartan can read it too) from Reddit. Jk Spartan lol.

Imagine that you're sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don't get any. So you say "I should get my fair share." And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, "everyone should get their fair share." Now, that's a wonderful sentiment -- indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad's smart-ass comment just dismissed you and didn't solve the problem that you still haven't gotten any!

The problem is that the statement "I should get my fair share" had an implicit "too" at the end: "I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else." But your dad's response treated your statement as though you meant "only I should get my fair share", which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that "everyone should get their fair share," while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.

That's the situation of the "black lives matter" movement. Culture, laws, the arts, religion, and everyone else repeatedly suggest that all lives should matter. Clearly, that message already abounds in our society.

The problem is that, in practice, the world doesn't work the way. You see the film Nightcrawler? You know the part where Renee Russo tells Jake Gyllenhal that she doesn't want footage of a black or latino person dying, she wants news stories about affluent white people being killed? That's not made up out of whole cloth -- there is a news bias toward stories that the majority of the audience (who are white) can identify with. So when a young black man gets killed (prior to the recent police shootings), it's generally not considered "news", while a middle-aged white woman being killed is treated as news. And to a large degree, that is accurate -- young black men are killed in significantly disproportionate numbers, which is why we don't treat it as anything new. But the result is that, societally, we don't pay as much attention to certain people's deaths as we do to others. So, currently, we don't treat all lives as though they matter equally.

Just like asking dad for your fair share, the phrase "black lives matter" also has an implicit "too" at the end: it's saying that black lives should also matter. But responding to this by saying "all lives matter" is willfully going back to ignoring the problem. It's a way of dismissing the statement by falsely suggesting that it means "only black lives matter," when that is obviously not the case. And so saying "all lives matter" as a direct response to "black lives matter" is essentially saying that we should just go back to ignoring the problem.

TL;DR: The phrase "Black lives matter" carries an implicit "too" at the end; it's saying that black lives should also matter. Saying "all lives matter" is dismissing the very problems that the phrase is trying to draw attention to.

So what about the people waiting in the drive through line behind Brooks?

What about them getting their fair share?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex2r86G0sdc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wgrD-8b53AM
 
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