Ferguson, MO

[Polish-Hammer]

There are 1,300+ members here. How many post is a different question, I suppose.

Most the users are bots.

As I mentioned a few years ago, this is the Detroit Politics Forum.

 

[tomdalton22]

Youve been speaking with the guy for 30 minutes.....you have his fucking car. You obviously know who he is. Ending his life should have been the VERY last option....and it ended up being the first. Let him run. Arrest him later after it deescalates. Tack on a bunch of charges and throw his ass in jail for longer than you would have initially.

so, you think a guy that is willing to fight two cops, steal and shoot at them with a taser over a DUI is going to willingly let cops arrest him later on even more severe charges? :tup:

 

[mhughes0021]

Again, you are 100% correct. Police shouldn't run after armed suspects if they are already identified, they can always find them later. :hehe:


Had he ranaway without a weapon he wouldn't have been shot.

Im trying to realistically think through other options rather than killing someone. So thanks for continuing to laugh and not offer any of your own. Offer some input and i can laugh at your dumb ass ideas too.

When you ask the cop why he did it... he will say to defend myself cause he had a weapon. Then don't put yourself in that situation is the only realistic option i can come up with or else the result will be to shoot the guy in the back twice 100% of the time. And guess what... if that's the answer the issues at the root of BLM wil never go away.

 

[Spartanmack]

Look, i said in my original post he probably deserved to get shot. But, i also think thats why things need to change. Youre afraid for your life as the cop..how about you stop running after him? You think a taser is going to get you from 100 yards away? Theres other options. Youve been speaking with the guy for 30 minutes.....you have his fucking car. You obviously know who he is. Ending his life should have been the VERY last option....and it ended up being the first. Let him run. Arrest him later after it deescalates. Tack on a bunch of charges and throw his ass in jail for longer than you would have initially. This is exactly what BLM is all about because every single one of us has seen a white crack head do the exact same thing on live PD and not get shot in the back twice.

For the record i do not think the cop acted based on race and he handled him self very well until he lost control and fucked up the arrest. Unfortunately, you have millions of protestors around the country setting cities on fire that want to make everything about race right now.

It was not even close to the first option - the first option was to politely and professionally engage with him and assess the situation, which they did. They then came to the proper conclusion that the violated the law and chose their next option which was to peacefully arrest him for the safety of both him and the public at large. He resisted that option physically and the police attempted yet a third option, which was to subdue him by wrestling him to the ground, gain control and effect the arrest. When that didn't work, they then tried a 4th option which was to use non-lethal force by tasing him. He resisted that too and actually took the cops taser away from him. He then tried to use the taser on the cop as he was attempting to flee at which point the cops chose their 5th option and correctly escalated to another level of force and shot him. Tragically, he didn't survive those wounds but to say that the cops skipped right to that as their first option is completely off base - it's either a lie to impugn innocent cops and/or a flout out stupid assessment of the situation. It's difficult to understand how someone could watch that video and make that statement.

If BLM is all about forcing police to give up and let criminals resist arrest and flee the scene with weapons they've taken off the cops, then BLM is a completely illegitimate movement.

 

[Spartanmack]

so, you think a guy that is willing to fight two cops, steal and shoot at them with a taser over a DUI is going to willingly let cops arrest him later on even more severe charges? :tup:

yeah, because he'll be sober and realize the prospect of facing a parole violation with a bunch of other charges heaped on top would be in his best interests. He'd probably just turn himself in - maybe even tase himself first to show how ashamed he was of his behavior.

 

[Spartanmack]

Im trying to realistically think through other options rather than killing someone. So thanks for continuing to laugh and not offer any of your own. Offer some input and i can laugh at your dumb ass ideas too.

When you ask the cop why he did it... he will say to defend myself cause he had a weapon. Then don't put yourself in that situation is the only realistic option i can come up with or else the result will be to shoot the guy in the back twice 100% of the time. And guess what... if that's the answer the issues at the root of BLM wil never go away.

don't put yourself in that situation? are you saying cops shouldn't answer calls from civilians needing help or are you saying just don't be a cop? Because these situations are what cops are needed for. Maybe they should have told the Wendy's manager to provide a field sobriety test, get his name and address so the cops could arrest him when he was sobered up - assuming he didn't kill himself or worse, someone else driving drunk around Atlanta. The cops didn't put themselves in that situation, Brooks put them in that situation.

 

[mhughes0021]

don't put yourself in that situation? are you saying cops shouldn't answer calls from civilians needing help or are you saying just don't be a cop? Because these situations are what cops are needed for. Maybe they should have told the Wendy's manager to provide a field sobriety test, get his name and address so the cops could arrest him when he was sobered up - assuming he didn't kill himself or worse, someone else driving drunk around Atlanta. The cops didn't put themselves in that situation, Brooks put them in that situation.

Youre a fucking idiot if thats what you think i meant...especially since i clearly explained it in the post. If you think the man with a non lethal taser is a threat to your life where you are going to shoot him. You have 2 options:
1) dont chase after him so your life will no longer be in danger.
2) chase after him and shoot him in the back twice.

Im waiting for you dumbasses to contribute to the conversation by coming up with more options....but it seems youre too fucking stupid to do anything other than use laugh emojis.

 

[mhughes0021]

It was not even close to the first option - the first option was to politely and professionally engage with him and assess the situation, which they did. They then came to the proper conclusion that the violated the law and chose their next option which was to peacefully arrest him for the safety of both him and the public at large. He resisted that option physically and the police attempted yet a third option, which was to subdue him by wrestling him to the ground, gain control and effect the arrest. When that didn't work, they then tried a 4th option which was to use non-lethal force by tasing him. He resisted that too and actually took the cops taser away from him. He then tried to use the taser on the cop as he was attempting to flee at which point the cops chose their 5th option and correctly escalated to another level of force and shot him. Tragically, he didn't survive those wounds but to say that the cops skipped right to that as their first option is completely off base - it's either a lie to impugn innocent cops and/or a flout out stupid assessment of the situation. It's difficult to understand how someone could watch that video and make that statement.

If BLM is all about forcing police to give up and let criminals resist arrest and flee the scene with weapons they've taken off the cops, then BLM is a completely illegitimate movement.

It was clearly the first thing he did once he began the chase. Stop being a moron.

 

[Spartanmack]

Youre a fucking idiot if thats what you think i meant...especially since i clearly explained it in the post. If you think the man with a non lethal taser is a threat to your life where you are going to shoot him. You have 2 options:
1) dont chase after him so your life will no longer be in danger.
2) chase after him and shoot him in the back twice.

Im waiting for you dumbasses to contribute to the conversation by coming up with more options....but it seems youre too fucking stupid to do anything other than use laugh emojis.

I haven't posted a single emoji, not one. I've directly addressed everything you've said, and explained why the cops actions were proper and justified. I think this you've pretty well established who the idiot is here (it's you). What you "explained" is not an explanation, it's moronic drivel and you keep digging yourself deeper and deeper with dumber and dumber posts. Quit while you're behind.

I've gone over the options already - the cops used all of them and he kept resisting. Running away with a stolen weapon doesn't mean he no longer posed a threat - it actually means he then posed a threat to more than just the cops trying to arrest him - he posed a danger to himself, the police and the public at large. Criminals on the run, don't suddenly become peaceful once the police stop pursuing them. What would you be saying about the cops if he tased a civilian, stole their car and then ended up causing a wreck where he or worse, others were killed? Would you be on here defending the cops for deescalating? If you say yes, you're either a liar or the dumbest person every to post here - it's not necessarily one or the other though, you could easily be both.

 

[Spartanmack]

It was clearly the first thing he did once he began the chase. Stop being a moron.

Awesome, so the first option after the first four options were exhausted was to use deadly force? Or does everything starts over once he starts to flee? They have to go through the same options again because it's now a whole new situation - he wasn't attempting to flee when the cops went through the first four options, he just wanted to have a friendly wrestle before being arrested? Makes sense when you put it like that (that's sarcasm).

Seriously, you're an idiot and you're trying way to hard to absolve Brooks of any responsibility for his own actions. His death is not because of any malpractice or excessive force by the police. He's dead because of his own actions and the threat he posed to police, the public and himself, period.

 

[tinselwolverine]

It was clearly the first thing he did once he began the chase.

Except it wasn?t.

The first thing he did was watch the still dangerously aggressive suspect attempt to use the police weapon he had acquired in the fight against the police.

That by all appearances looks to be what initiated the response that ended up in the fatality.

Had the suspect just run without firing off the weapon, in all likelihood there would have been a less tragic outcome.

So...is that when the clock starts now? After the initial attempt to use the police?s own weapon against them?

And what would then justify what ultimately resulted?

One dead cop?

Two?

Seems to be a whole lot of changing rules.

 

[byco42]

While you all dwell on the minutia …

"Although the United States is now on the brink of the sudden phase of institutional collapse after three and a half years of gradual decay, Trump has not yet freed himself from all constraints. There are still federal judges willing to block his unlawful executive orders and at least some bureaucrats willing to stand up to his most abhorrent behavior. The armed forces may be able to restrain him as well, as evidenced by the forceful rebuke he received from former Defense Secretary James Mattis after threatening to deploy the U.S. Army and the National Guard against protesters. But it would be a sad day if Americans had to depend on the military to save their democracy. And the trend is toward fewer, not more, checks on the president’s power. If the last remaining restraints give way, the fall toward autocracy will be swift."

The author is an MIT professor. A certain insider/social engineer. CV Link

Point: This is not an op-ed piece. It's a prophetic one. A signal. Ironically, (and intentionally) it's laying the blame for this at the wrong feet. This author makes Capt. Renault seem like Jefferson Smith.

Foreign Affairs is the "mouthpeace" (sic) for the CFR.

 

[Spartanmack]

Except it wasn’t.

The first thing he did was watch the still dangerously aggressive suspect attempt to use the police weapon he had acquired in the fight against the police.

That by all appearances looks to be what initiated the response that ended up in the fatality.

Had the suspect just run without firing off the weapon, in all likelihood there would have been a less tragic outcome.

So...is that when the clock starts now? After the initial attempt to use the police’s own weapon against them?

And what would then justify what ultimately resulted?

One dead cop?

Two?

Seems to be a whole lot of changing rules.

I'm beginning to think it's one rule - no matter what, use of deadly force is never justified. I may be leaving out certain qualifiers because that seems like it would be too consistent and obvious. It may be more like, if we've all seen a white crackhead do the same thing without being killed by cops, then the use of deadly force in any similar situation is never justified. It's confusing though, because what if some white crackheads or even a majority but not all white crackheads get killed by cops doing the exact same thing?

 

[tomdalton22]

Youre a fucking idiot if thats what you think i meant...especially since i clearly explained it in the post. If you think the man with a non lethal taser is a threat to your life where you are going to shoot him. You have 2 options:
1) dont chase after him so your life will no longer be in danger.
2) chase after him and shoot him in the back twice.

Im waiting for you dumbasses to contribute to the conversation by coming up with more options....but it seems youre too fucking stupid to do anything other than use laugh emojis.

I think it is a safe assumption that a drunk guy who is willing to fight two police officers, steal their taser, and fire it at them is a violent threat to anyone he may encounter.

I like how almost no blame is placed on this guy or Floyd. I am 99% sure that both would still be alive if they just did exactly what the police officers told them to do. I am only 99% sure because Floyd had COVID 19, which can be deadly.

 

[Spartanmack]

While you all dwell on the minutia …

"Although the United States is now on the brink of the sudden phase of institutional collapse after three and a half years of gradual decay, Trump has not yet freed himself from all constraints. There are still federal judges willing to block his unlawful executive orders and at least some bureaucrats willing to stand up to his most abhorrent behavior. The armed forces may be able to restrain him as well, as evidenced by the forceful rebuke he received from former Defense Secretary James Mattis after threatening to deploy the U.S. Army and the National Guard against protesters. But it would be a sad day if Americans had to depend on the military to save their democracy. And the trend is toward fewer, not more, checks on the president’s power. If the last remaining restraints give way, the fall toward autocracy will be swift."

The author is an MIT professor. A certain insider/social engineer. CV Link

Point: This is not an op-ed piece. It's a prophetic one. A signal. Ironically, (and intentionally) it's laying the blame for this at the wrong feet. This author makes Capt. Renault seem like Jefferson Smith.

Foreign Affairs is the "mouthpeace" (sic) for the CFR.

It's amazing that this stuff gets published without any sense of the irony or anyone pointing out they hypocrisy - many of Trump's executive orders have been directed at unwinding executive orders from Obama. Apparently it's now overreach to unwind a predecessor's overreach.

MIT economics is sort of like Michigan basketball. It's linked to an institution with a great overall reputation, but the product itself isn't viewed as anything special.

 

[byco42]

It's amazing that this stuff gets published without any sense of the irony or anyone pointing out they hypocrisy - many of Trump's executive orders have been directed at unwinding executive orders from Obama. Apparently it's now overreach to unwind a predecessor's overreach.

MIT economics is sort of like Michigan basketball. It's linked to an institution with a great overall reputation, but the product itself isn't viewed as anything special.

Trump is the accident that the elite didn't expect and it is actively willing and able to raze our entire nation to correct this "mistake" and this author-pawn is telling us straight out for anyone with the initiative to dig a little. But the average IQ of the US is <100 so, there's no threat of discovery.

 

[mhughes0021]

I haven't posted a single emoji, not one. I've directly addressed everything you've said, and explained why the cops actions were proper and justified. I think this you've pretty well established who the idiot is here (it's you). What you "explained" is not an explanation, it's moronic drivel and you keep digging yourself deeper and deeper with dumber and dumber posts. Quit while you're behind.

I've gone over the options already - the cops used all of them and he kept resisting. Running away with a stolen weapon doesn't mean he no longer posed a threat - it actually means he then posed a threat to more than just the cops trying to arrest him - he posed a danger to himself, the police and the public at large. Criminals on the run, don't suddenly become peaceful once the police stop pursuing them. What would you be saying about the cops if he tased a civilian, stole their car and then ended up causing a wreck where he or worse, others were killed? Would you be on here defending the cops for deescalating? If you say yes, you're either a liar or the dumbest person every to post here - it's not necessarily one or the other though, you could easily be both.

Perfect...so your response to a drunk guy that is resisting arrest and takes a cops taser is is to shoot him 100 times out of 100. Its an opinion. Not a smart one and definitely doesnt move the conversation forward. Congrats...this is why BLM is a thing and will continue to be a thing forever without anything getting accomplished. good job!

 

[tinselwolverine]

While you all dwell on the minutia ?

This author makes Capt. Renault seem like Jefferson Smith.

Captain Louie Renault, the policeman/winning gambler?

And Jefferson Smith, the explorer/Scout Leader?

Talk about being able to look at both sides of a coin at the same time.

That chance doesn?t come along every day.

Also, his friends called him Jeff. Jeff Smith.

That?s a cool name for a guy.

 

[tinselwolverine]

It's amazing that this stuff gets published without any sense of the irony or anyone pointing out they hypocrisy - many of Trump's executive orders have been directed at unwinding executive orders from Obama. Apparently it's now overreach to unwind a predecessor's overreach.

MIT economics is sort of like Michigan basketball. It's linked to an institution with a great overall reputation, but the product itself isn't viewed as anything special.

Hey, watch it.

This board is supposed to be a safe space.

No sports rivalry smack on the politics board.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Perfect...so your response to a drunk guy that is resisting arrest and takes a cops taser is is to shoot him 100 times out of 100. Its an opinion. Not a smart one and definitely doesnt move the conversation forward. Congrats...this is why BLM is a thing and will continue to be a thing forever without anything getting accomplished. good job!

You left out that he also used the taser...I agree with TD22 in #1034...this is a pretty dangerous guy...

As far as 100 out of 100... I?ve never heard of this happening before EVER... I think I?ve heard of cops having their guns taken away before...

I asked you in #1031, I?ll ask you again...how much peril are the police supposed to allow themselves to be in before protecting themselves?