Ferguson, MO

[Spartanmack]

Thats not what Black live Matter is though...Thats what BLM is for a select few and for people that want to inject politics into it. Here is the BLM for Idiots version (so Spartan can read it too) from Reddit. Jk Spartan lol.

Imagine that you're sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don't get any. So you say "I should get my fair share." And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, "everyone should get their fair share." Now, that's a wonderful sentiment -- indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad's smart-ass comment just dismissed you and didn't solve the problem that you still haven't gotten any!

The problem is that the statement "I should get my fair share" had an implicit "too" at the end: "I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else." But your dad's response treated your statement as though you meant "only I should get my fair share", which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that "everyone should get their fair share," while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.

That's the situation of the "black lives matter" movement. Culture, laws, the arts, religion, and everyone else repeatedly suggest that all lives should matter. Clearly, that message already abounds in our society.

The problem is that, in practice, the world doesn't work the way. You see the film Nightcrawler? You know the part where Renee Russo tells Jake Gyllenhal that she doesn't want footage of a black or latino person dying, she wants news stories about affluent white people being killed? That's not made up out of whole cloth -- there is a news bias toward stories that the majority of the audience (who are white) can identify with. So when a young black man gets killed (prior to the recent police shootings), it's generally not considered "news", while a middle-aged white woman being killed is treated as news. And to a large degree, that is accurate -- young black men are killed in significantly disproportionate numbers, which is why we don't treat it as anything new. But the result is that, societally, we don't pay as much attention to certain people's deaths as we do to others. So, currently, we don't treat all lives as though they matter equally.

Just like asking dad for your fair share, the phrase "black lives matter" also has an implicit "too" at the end: it's saying that black lives should also matter. But responding to this by saying "all lives matter" is willfully going back to ignoring the problem. It's a way of dismissing the statement by falsely suggesting that it means "only black lives matter," when that is obviously not the case. And so saying "all lives matter" as a direct response to "black lives matter" is essentially saying that we should just go back to ignoring the problem.

TL;DR: The phrase "Black lives matter" carries an implicit "too" at the end; it's saying that black lives should also matter. Saying "all lives matter" is dismissing the very problems that the phrase is trying to draw attention to.

Didn’t get past the 2nd paragraph, shouldn’t have read that far. Read the BLM’s list of demands, because you clearly don’t know what it is about. You’re promoting a movement you misunderstand because of the label - you thinks it’s altruistic and logical because who wouldn’t think black lives matter (without the caps). But the BLM movement is something very different from what you think it is.

 

[Spartanmack]

Hes being charged with Felony Murder. Pictures of the 2 cops...1 standing on his shoulders while the other kicks him. The dude was shot twice in the back and dead...and the cops were kicking him? Anyones mind changed?

Video? Still, if true it?s inappropriate and maybe amounts to some level of charge but that doesn?t make it murder.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Video? Still, if true it?s inappropriate and maybe amounts to some level of charge but that doesn?t make it murder.

If there?s a verifiable ?lack of care? that occurred after the use of force that many of us saw as justified - that?s its own separate issue and new information.

Doesn?t change the justification of the shooting.

Can the post shooting care the officers provided change the legality of the entirety of what happened?

Of course it can.

This is, again, new information about the event just being uncovered/presented.

 

[Spartanmack]

Hes being charged with Felony Murder. Pictures of the 2 cops...1 standing on his shoulders while the other kicks him. The dude was shot twice in the back and dead...and the cops were kicking him? Anyones mind changed?

Hmmm guy charging the cop with murder says Brooks wasn't a threat to the cop he shot at with a taser just two weeks after he said the taser is considered a deadly weapon - when he charged another cop with aggravated assault for pointing a taser at a protester because "a taser is considered a deadly weapon."

Could it be these charges are politically motivated? Is this DA maybe a little anti-police? Of course not, the cop was charged, the DA can't be biased or a hypocrite, therefore it's murder.

 

[byco42]

There will be more of these incidents over the weeks to keep the narrative in the air. Otherwise, the masses will forget and go back to craving their pointless wants.

 

[tomdalton22]

Hmmm guy charging the cop with murder says Brooks wasn't a threat to the cop he shot at with a taser just two weeks after he said the taser is considered a deadly weapon - when he charged another cop with aggravated assault for pointing a taser at a protester because "a taser is considered a deadly weapon."

Could it be these charges are politically motivated? Is this DA maybe a little anti-police? Of course not, the cop was charged, the DA can't be biased or a hypocrite, therefore it's murder.

now that is fucking hilarious. In the span of 2 weeks a taser goes from a "deadly weapon" to "not a deadly weapon"???:shrug::hmm:

 

[byco42]

Didn’t get past the 2nd paragraph, shouldn’t have read that far. Read the BLM’s list of demands, because you clearly don’t know what it is about. You’re promoting a movement you misunderstand because of the label - you thinks it’s altruistic and logical because who wouldn’t think black lives matter (without the caps). But the BLM movement is something very different from what you think it is.

It's plainly stated right here

We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location. (inside the womb excepted)​

By the admission of these health professionals!

I wonder if Black Christians who oppose same-sex "marriage" lives' matter, because there are millions of them in the US.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.​

Interesting that "fathers" are omitted.

And T-shirts are for sale for $25.00.

 

[byco42]

?But it?s just my hope again that our officers will remember the commitment that they made when they held up their hand and they were sworn in as police officers.?

ATL Mayor

I, ____________________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I am duly qualified, according to the Constitution and laws of Georgia, to perform the duties imposed upon me as a Police Officer (or Special Police Officer) of the City of Atlanta, Georgia, and that I will, to the best of my ability, discharge the duties thereof, and preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States of America and the Constitution of the State of Georgia.

I swear that I am not the holder of any office of trust under the government of the United States, any other state, or any foreign state which I am prohibited from holding by the laws of the State of Georgia, nor am I the holder of any unaccounted for public money due this state or any political subdivision or authority thereof.

I further swear that I will enforce the criminal laws of the State of Georgia and the ordinances of the City of Atlanta, that I will abide by the rules governing the Atlanta Police Department, adhere to the Law Enforcement Code of Ethics, and uphold the Ethics Code of the City of Atlanta. In doing so, I will be mindful of the trust that has been placed in me to improve the quality of life and make every effort to live up to that trust. I will not persecute the innocent, nor help to shield the guilty, nor will I be influenced in the discharge of my duties by fear, favor, or affection, reward, or the hope thereof.

So help me God.

Bolded illustrates what these two officers did in upholding their oath contrasted to the punishment administered by the DA.

 

[Spartanmack]

It's plainly stated right here

We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location. (inside the womb excepted)​

By the admission of these health professionals!

I wonder if Black Christians who oppose same-sex "marriage" lives' matter, because there are millions of them in the US.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ?villages? that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.​

Interesting that "fathers" are omitted.

And T-shirts are for sale for $25.00.

It takes a village - your kid is not your kid, he/she/xe belongs to the community and must be raised accordingly.

 

[byco42]

It takes a village - your kid is not your kid, he/she/xe belongs to the community and must be raised accordingly.

It's the only way that indoctrination can occur.

 

[mhughes0021]

now that is fucking hilarious. In the span of 2 weeks a taser goes from a "deadly weapon" to "not a deadly weapon"???:shrug::hmm:

Is a police charger thats been deployed twice already a deadly weapon from 10-25 feet away?

 

[Spartanmack]

Is a police charger thats been deployed twice already a deadly weapon from 10-25 feet away?

In a fight for your life against a criminal suspect resisting arrest with everything he has, are you responsible for counting how many times a criminal suspect has deployed the taser he stole from you in that fight?

 

[Spartanmack]

It's the only way that indoctrination can occur.

MSNBC doing their part:

https://youtu.be/EgWcBV9_kLM

 

[Monster]

In a fight for your life against a criminal suspect resisting arrest with everything he has, are you responsible for counting how many times a criminal suspect has deployed the taser he stole from you in that fight?

Bro, my fellow liberals keep saying the cops should have just let him go because they had his id and his car. They act like he would have been peaceful and obeyed all laws on the way to being arrested in his home. I'm so sick of this anti-cop, anti-white shit. It's almost as bad as the racists' way of behaving.

People need to start being objective and seeing things how they are, instead of how they want them to be. Brooks was a bad guy. Cnn pushing a video with him talking about his criminal past. He mentioned his credit fraud and false imprisonment and conveniently left out his child abuse. Then he whined that the government isnt helping him getting a job and its so hard blah blah blah. And its so hard for people to get a job after jail...fuck that. You're a criminal, bro. Consequences come with that. And you did find a job and then fucked that up the night you died.

Just sick or division politics in this country

 

[Spartanmack]

Bro, my fellow liberals keep saying the cops should have just let him go because they had his id and his car. They act like he would have been peaceful and obeyed all laws on the way to being arrested in his home. I'm so sick of this anti-cop, anti-white shit. It's almost as bad as the racists' way of behaving.

People need to start being objective and seeing things how they are, instead of how they want them to be. Brooks was a bad guy. Cnn pushing a video with him talking about his criminal past. He mentioned his credit fraud and false imprisonment and conveniently left out his child abuse. Then he whined that the government isnt helping him getting a job and its so hard blah blah blah. And its so hard for people to get a job after jail...fuck that. You're a criminal, bro. Consequences come with that. And you did find a job and then fucked that up the night you died.

Just sick or division politics in this country

I keep asking hughes and anyone else proffering that solution what their reaction would be if the cops let him go and he subsequently assaulted, robbed, car jacked, or did something that injured or killed another person or himself. Would they be defending the police for deescalating or would they blame them for the subsequent crimes/tradegies because they didn't act when they had the chance? so far, I got crickets. My guess though is if he carjacked someone then killed an innocent person in an accident, that would be the cops fault too.

 

[sggatecl]

There was a video a while back where the person detained on a traffic stop was tazed, but when he regained his senses, made a dash for the cop car and got a gun from inside. He then proceeded to shoot the police and drive away.

I wonder if those cops wish they'd have shot him as he ran instead of letting him run while they barked orders? What a shitty job.

*edit* I found the video. Admittedly it's not quite how I described.

He reached into his OWN car for a gun. The biggest mistake I see the cops made was being unclear about instructions. They repeatedly screamed 'get on your back' when he was on his back, I think maybe they meant stomach?

Still. This is what can happen if you let some guy you just arrested simply run from you. I'm generally not the bootlicking type but I dunno if I can fault the cops in the Wendy's case.

 

[Spartanmack]

There was a video a while back where the person detained on a traffic stop was tazed, but when he regained his senses, made a dash for the cop car and got a gun from inside. He then proceeded to shoot the police and drive away.

I wonder if those cops wish they'd have shot him as he ran instead of letting him run while they barked orders? What a shitty job.

Hughes, as the resident expert on police tactics and proper/improper escalation, I have a question for you. In this scenario, where the bad guy shot a cop but then fled, is he also no longer a threat? Since they have his car, and he's already been tased so he knows they mean business, should they just go to his house after he's calmed down, and arrest him peacefully? They probably have a GPS tracker on the squad car too, so really, what kind of threat can he be while fleeing.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Hughes, as the resident expert on police tactics and proper/improper escalation, I have a question for you. In this scenario, where the bad guy shot a cop but then fled, is he also no longer a threat? Since they have his car, and he's already been tased so he knows they mean business, should they just go to his house after he's calmed down, and arrest him peacefully? They probably have a GPS tracker on the squad car too, so really, what kind of threat can he be while fleeing.

I can?t find any report regarding the specifics of the apprehension, but seemed to have gone down without incident while Clary was under medical care.

This most definitively describes the interaction with police following the violent encounter.

 

[mhughes0021]

Hughes, as the resident expert on police tactics and proper/improper escalation, I have a question for you. In this scenario, where the bad guy shot a cop but then fled, is he also no longer a threat? Since they have his car, and he's already been tased so he knows they mean business, should they just go to his house after he's calmed down, and arrest him peacefully? They probably have a GPS tracker on the squad car too, so really, what kind of threat can he be while fleeing.

I think ive said it several times now that i dont neccesarily agree with the liberal agenda here like Trevor Noah suggesting an armed cop shouldnt even be called to action for a drunk driver. Some of this shit is absolutely ridiculous...which Monster and yourself has stated. and i can agree. I dont have the answers...i dont think defunding the police is the correct move. Whether they like them or not high crime areas need the police. Defunding can meet several different things as im trying to learn and understand.

I dont see how holding departments accountable for misbehavior with penalties would be a bad idea. Part of the "culture" problem isnt neccesarily about racial discrimination or prejudice. Its the fact cop shops are a business and are in business to make money just like school arent in business to educate...they are in business to make money. So naturally cops go where the business is booming. I live in a city in CA that has 80000 people....we have like a 5 cop police force lol. So if they misbehave..hit them where it hurts and fine them.

Something a long those lines might be done...and it will never be enough to the liberal base or BLM activists. And to a point they are right...thats not enough to change anything. So from their perspective nothing has changed and they will continue to bitch.

Cops have a right to be safe and defend themselves. So Spartan in your example once they get the car stopped id assume they are taking a shoot first mentality...and that would be the mentality if the cop killer was black, white or pink.

 

[tinselwolverine]

So they didn?t have his car. He?s fleeing so he clearly no longer poses a threat but they don?t have his car so what do they do in that scenario?

He drove himself to a hospital. Seems like they tracked him down there. My guess he would have been cuffed to the hospital bed and told that he was under arrest. Apparently he waved his Miranda rights.

He?s been convicted since then and the reports are that he?s in prison, serving up to 110 years.

Family members indicate he?s generally a good guy but maybe not too swift.