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Ferguson, MO

byco42 said:
Watching that video makes me wonder how police officers are trained. I have no insight or knowledge about this, but this entire interaction seemed very "loosey-goosy" to me. Right from their initial approach.
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Excellent question. Protesters mostly focus on police accountability when things go wrong. But training and police welfare are probably just as big a factor or bigger. Making sure police aren't working tired (too much overtime) is probably similar in some places to how it is with doctors or truck drivers.
 
Gulo Blue said:
Excellent question. Protesters mostly focus on police accountability when things go wrong. But training and police welfare are probably just as big a factor or bigger. Making sure police aren't working tired (too much overtime) is probably similar in some places to how it is with doctors or truck drivers.
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Entry-level police officer salary for my city is $45K. Who's going to risk their well-being for that relative pittance?
 
byco42 said:
Entry-level police officer salary for my city is $45K. Who's going to risk their well-being for that relative pittance?
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There's a lot to think about there too. I looked over this list of dangerous jobs and salaries


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/27/the-10-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-according-to-bls-data.html


but there's also perceived danger and the associated stress to consider. An occupation can be more dangerous without the perception of it being dangerous.
 
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Gulo Blue said:
There's a lot to think about there too. I looked over this list of dangerous jobs and salaries


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/27/the-10-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-according-to-bls-data.html


but there's also perceived danger and the associated stress to consider. An occupation can be more dangerous without the perception of it being dangerous.
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That truck driver salary seems ridiculously low.

So low I have a hard time believing it. I know a few truck drivers who do a 'daily' route who make several times what is listed as the median.
 
As one of the more not so supportable posters for BLM and also not such a big fan of LeBron James nor the NBA, starving for sports as I am I was watching SportsCenter tonight and I absolutely have to agree with LeBron James.

Somebody has to be held responsible for Breonna Taylor.
 
tinselwolverine said:
Somebody has to be held responsible for Breonna Taylor.
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The narrative against that thought is that her boyfriend fired at the cops when they entered the home and he's responsible for her death. They were just protecting themselves as they entered their home.
 
sggatecl said:
The narrative against that thought is that her boyfriend fired at the cops when they entered the home and he's responsible for her death. They were just protecting themselves as they entered their home.
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Yeah... I wanted to respond with something sarcastic and snarky but I can’t come up with anything appropriate.

So I’ll go with this - where is the NRA on this?

Isn’t the right to bear arms (2nd Amendment) conjoined with the PROHIBITION OF THE THE GOVERNMENT TO SUBJECT US TO UNREASONABLE SEARCH AND SEIZURE (4th Amendment) on this?

The Bill of Rights is the Bill of Rights - except it actually isn’t the Bill of Rights; somebody just called it that.

It’s the Bill of Restrictions/prohibitions against the government.

Get with me on Breonna.

Or get off my lawn.
 
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tinselwolverine said:
Yeah... I wanted to respond with something sarcastic and snarky but I can?t come up with anything appropriate.

So I?ll go with this - where is the NRA on this?

Isn?t the right to bear arms (2nd Amendment) conjoined with the PROHIBITION OF THE THE GOVERNMENT TO SUBJECT US TO UNREASONABLE SEARCH AND SEIZURE (4th Amendment) on this?

The Bill of Rights is the Bill of Rights - except it actually isn?t the Bill of Rights; somebody just called it that.

It?s the Bill of Restrictions/prohibitions against the government.

Get with me on Breonna.

Or get off my lawn.
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Yes
 
sggatecl said:
The narrative against that thought is that her boyfriend fired at the cops when they entered the home and he's responsible for her death. They were just protecting themselves as they entered their home.
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Was that the no knock raid on a place looking for a guy already in custody?
 
tinselwolverine said:
A little catchup from the Grey Lady
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Officers burst into Taylor?s apartment while she was asleep during a late night drug investigation using a so-called ?no-knock warrant.? Her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, who has said he was worried someone was breaking into the apartment, shot and wounded an officer. The officers have said that they then returned fire and shot Taylor at least eight times in her own home.
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Has the NRA said anything about this situation? They're usually foaming at the mouth to attach themselves to a story like this. Self defense in the home? Red meat for their idiot contingent.
 
sggatecl said:
Has the NRA said anything about this situation? They're usually foaming at the mouth to attach themselves to a story like this. Self defense in the home? Red meat for their idiot contingent.
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No, they're broke and buried in lawsuits. But they wouldn't care anyways, just like all the "libertarians" on the Right who - SURPRISE! - have no issue with federal police walking around and throwing people into unmarked vans because they spray painted "ACAB" on a garbage can.

Damaging property should warrant a death sentence. Unless a corporation is doing it, then it's "free market economics"
 
michchamp said:
No, they're broke and buried in lawsuits. But they wouldn't care anyways, just like all the "libertarians" on the Right who - SURPRISE! - have no issue with federal police walking around and throwing people into unmarked vans because they spray painted "ACAB" on a garbage can.

Damaging property should warrant a death sentence. Unless a corporation is doing it, then it's "free market economics"
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If the stories of unidentified federal agents popping out of unmarked vans to collect suspects are true, you would think that stand your ground proponents would be 1st in line objecting to that.
 
Polish-Hammer said:
That truck driver salary seems ridiculously low.

So low I have a hard time believing it. I know a few truck drivers who do a 'daily' route who make several times what is listed as the median.
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Theres 2 different types of truck drivers. Local and Over the Road. Local truck drivers only make 60-100k a year. If you want to deliver cars/goods across the country and live out of your truck for a good part of the year....you can make alot more.
 
mhughes0021 said:
Theres 2 different types of truck drivers. Local and Over the Road. Local truck drivers only make 60-100k a year. If you want to deliver cars/goods across the country and live out of your truck for a good part of the year....you can make alot more.
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I know a guy who was a long-haul truck driver for years and finally had enough and got out of the business. Because of the high salaries drivers made, companies started installing trip meters and time clocks in the trucks. If you went over a certain set time for stops to fuel up your rig and eat, overslept, or were running behind from traffic issues that were not readily reported, they docked that time from the drivers pay, and it added up to significant amounts. Even docking money for being as little as 5 minutes over on a meal/fill-up. The guy I know said the hell with it one Christmas Eve when he was out in one of the Plain States...Nebraska maybe?; And because of horrible traffic by last minute shoppers was being alerted on his tattletale (what they call the box inside the truck that keeps time) of how much he was losing....even though he was working a holiday run which is extra pay for the inconvenience of being away from family, etc. the company still wanted to shave off as much as possible. Go capitalism! I guess?
 
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