Ferguson, MO

[Gulo Blue]

There is still something very off about the way that Floyd was removed from the scene.

Is that your expert opinion?

(I kid. I appreciate the self awareness and try to mirror it.)

 

[tomdalton22]

I watched the entirety of the Floyd arrest (pre-kneeling on his neck) and while he definitely does not seem sober, he just looks drunk and really high, not like he's about to OD on something. He's not passing out.

iirc in a 2019 incident he ingested a bunch of drugs, presumably to get rid of evidence. I guess he acted the same as he did in 2020 including kind of going crazy / saying crazy things. In 2019 they sent him to the hospital. Maybe he ingested drugs again hoping he would be sent to the hospital instead of getting arrested. I don't know what ingesting drugs does to the system...perhaps an OD?

 

[Michchamp]

iirc in a 2019 incident he ingested a bunch of drugs, presumably to get rid of evidence. I guess he acted the same as he did in 2020 including kind of going crazy / saying crazy things. In 2019 they sent him to the hospital. Maybe he ingested drugs again hoping he would be sent to the hospital instead of getting arrested. I don't know what ingesting drugs does to the system...perhaps an OD?

maybe!

 

[tinselwolverine]

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this seems like a clear cut case of police brutality and Chauvin should be punished for that, but this video doesn't prove Chauvin killed him.

Could be the case.

Cue another summer of mostly peaceful riots.

 

[Michchamp]

Could be the case.

Cue another summer of mostly peaceful riots.

if he gets acquitted of all crimes, it will be wrong.

but if someone protesting that miscarriage of justice throws a garbage can through a store window, blocks traffic, or spray paints ACAB on a wall, that's a bigger problem, and we should all condemn that, and not worry about police violence.

If the police do the property destruction, still blame the people protesting and condemn them, not the police.

Property destruction is the same as - if not worse than - violence against a person or people.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Property destruction is the same as - if not worse than - violence against a person or people.

Chairman Mao, is that you?

 

[tinselwolverine]

if he gets acquitted of all crimes, it will be wrong.

but if someone protesting that miscarriage of justice throws a garbage can through a store window, blocks traffic, or spray paints ACAB on a wall, that's a bigger problem, and we should all condemn that, and not worry about police violence.

If the police do the property destruction, still blame the people protesting and condemn them, not the police.

Property destruction is the same as - if not worse than - violence against a person or people.

From the link: ?There will be a review about how these decisions were made.?

Police slashing tires does seem unorthodox.

I don?t think Chauvin will be acquitted of all crimes.

I think there will be civil unrest regardless of the outcome.

 

[Spartanmack]

If he passed out, that would make continued kneeling on his neck worse, wouldn't it?

probably but if it was the cause, wouldn't there be some physical evidence of it? The ME report says there's no evidence of injury particularly if as the second ME's report indicates, Floyd died of asphyxiation.

 

[Gulo Blue]

probably but if it was the cause, wouldn't there be some physical evidence of it? The ME report says there's no evidence of injury particularly if as the second ME's report indicates, Floyd died of asphyxiation.

Maybe, maybe not. I don't expect that kind of uncertainty to be resolved.

 

[Michchamp]

Derek Chauvin had a history of using excessive force

He was only disciplined for one incident when he pulled a woman out of her car for no reason, after pulling her over for going 10 over the speed limit (link)

the DOJ is investigating him for a similar incident to teh George Floyd one, where he knelt on a 14 year old's neck til the kid passed out. and he and his now ex-wife are under investigation by the IRS for felony tax evasion (link)

retards like this shouldn't be cops.

he was a former MP too. A guy I know who is in the army told me that MPs are usually too dumb to make regular infantry (which is pretty dumb). Anecdotal though!

 

[Michchamp]

probably but if it was the cause, wouldn't there be some physical evidence of it? The ME report says there's no evidence of injury particularly if as the second ME's report indicates, Floyd died of asphyxiation.

he must have knelt on his neck for 8 minutes in a very gentle manner.

 

[byco42]

Is that your expert opinion?


(I kid. I appreciate the self awareness and try to mirror it.)

I mean, they just grabbed Mr. Floyd and flopped him on a gurney and hustled him away. And it was not graceful -- it appeared to me that these EMTs had no concept of how to lift a lifeless body from the ground to the gurney.

It's probably nothing.

 

[Spartanmack]

Derek Chauvin had a history of using excessive force

He was only disciplined for one incident when he pulled a woman out of her car for no reason, after pulling her over for going 10 over the speed limit (link)

the DOJ is investigating him for a similar incident to teh George Floyd one, where he knelt on a 14 year old's neck til the kid passed out. and he and his now ex-wife are under investigation by the IRS for felony tax evasion (link)

retards like this shouldn't be cops.

he was a former MP too. A guy I know who is in the army told me that MPs are usually too dumb to make regular infantry (which is pretty dumb). Anecdotal though!

yeah, all this was covered in prior conversations where it was also revealed the guy was a training officer despite this history. Did you also hear President Kennedy was shot?

Everyone agrees he's a bad guy and should have been fired long before this incident happened but he's protected by a too powerful union that not only keeps him employed but allows him to get promoted and be given the responsibility of training other officers. But if you think his actions were bad but may not have caused George Floyd's death then you think vandalism is on par with or worse than murder or whatever stupid shit you're saying to try to impugn the motives of anyone who disagrees with you.

 

[Spartanmack]

Maybe, maybe not. I don't expect that kind of uncertainty to be resolved.

Neither do I.

 

[Gulo Blue]

If two people shot a guy and he died, I'd blame both of them. They don't both get off the hook because they might not be responsible for his death. They both acted in a way that came with a high risk of killing him, and then he died.

Similarly, based on the descriptions I've heard of what happened, I don't think an OD would absolve this officer.

 

[tomdalton22]

If two people shot a guy and he died, I'd blame both of them. They don't both get off the hook because they might not be responsible for his death. They both acted in a way that came with a high risk of killing him, and then he died.

Similarly, based on the descriptions I've heard of what happened, I don't think an OD would absolve this officer.

2 people shooting someone that clearly died from a gunshot wound is different than a guy that died from a heart attack. A heart attack that may have been caused by a drug overdose, heart disease, COVID, and stress from being kneeled on.

The cop is a total asshole and should have been fired a long time ago. He may have contributed to the death of Floyd by kneeling on him...and maybe not. I don't think he deserves 10 years in prison...but if they convict him I won't lose any sleep over it.

 

[byco42]

And there's that interesting circumstance that Floyd and Chauvin worked at the same club in a security capacity at the same time, they likely knew each other, and that that club was razed to the ground shortly after the death of Floyd.

 

[Spartanmack]

If two people shot a guy and he died, I'd blame both of them. They don't both get off the hook because they might not be responsible for his death. They both acted in a way that came with a high risk of killing him, and then he died.

I agree, but it's a bad analogy. The intent of leaning on a suspect's neck, while inappropriate isn't the same as the intent of two people shooting a guy. Beyond intent, there are differences with respect to causation as well - I suppose it's possible to argue that one bullet was a lethal shot and the other wasn't or neither bullet on their own would have killed the suspect but the two combined were - i.e. they caused the victim to bleed out faster than the one would have, but that's seems like a much easier, unambiguous or at least less ambiguous argument to make likely supported by physical evidence.

Similarly, based on the descriptions I've heard of what happened, I don't think an OD would absolve this officer.

I don't think the OD absolves him either. Based on what I've heard, seen and read, I don't think it's proved either way - that his actions did or did not cause or contribute to Floyd's death.

 

[Spartanmack]

And there's that interesting circumstance that Floyd and Chauvin worked at the same club in a security capacity at the same time, they likely knew each other, and that that club was razed to the ground shortly after the death of Floyd.

I could be wrong but I thought I read that they did know each other and didn't get along.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I agree, but it's a bad analogy. The intent of leaning on a suspect's neck, while inappropriate isn't the same as the intent of two people shooting a guy. I suppose it's possible to argue that one bullet was a lethal shot and the other wasn't or neither bullet on their own would have killed the suspect but the two combined caused the victim to bleed out faster than the one would have. but that's seems like a much easier, unambiguous or at least less ambiguous argument to make likely supported by physical evidence.



I don't think the OD absolves him either. Based on what I've heard, seen and read, I don't think it's proved either way - that his actions did or did not cause or contribute to Floyd's death.

I see kneeling on a neck differently from kneeling on a neck for 8 minutes, well after they're out. The latter is a lot more like shooting somebody. I don't know what the survival rate might be, but it could be comparable to getting shot.

A minute is a long time. If you're on someone, and they're not moving. It's forever.