Game 1: Vikings @ Lions Thread

[adam86107]

Tied for first

Fuckin Bears


Although the Lions have the highest point differential in the NFC now. Woohoo?

I figured since the Lions was +1 in the divisional category that would give them the nod over the bears.

 

[grandy]

I figured since the Lions was +1 in the divisional category that would give them the nod over the bears.

Good point, technically they are ahead.

 

[grandy]

 

[mhughes0021]

id be ok if delmas talked shit if he actually did something....like this.

 

[jrange378]

I think we can beat the cardinals and redskins. Bears and packers will be tough.

 

[cheeno]

Home from the game. Great game on the whole. This is a good team. To be great no more mental mistakes, you can't do that against the better teams we'll face. I'll defend Grew here a bit, the guy did a bang up job blocking, for all the hype as a blocker I never saw it in the past but it showed up today.

 

[jrange378]

Home from the game. Great game on the whole. This is a good team. To be great no more mental mistakes, you can't do that against the better teams we'll face. I'll defend Grew here a bit, the guy did a bang up job blocking, for all the hype as a blocker I never saw it in the past but it showed up today.

Didn't he have a few holding or offsides though? To me, a good blocker that can't catch is negated by penalties directly related to blocking.

Grew was probably the worst Lion on the field today IMO. Drops, penalties, fumbles, brick hands. He embodies the same old Lions. I think Fauria will emerge as a bigger target.

 

[cheeno]

Didn't he have a few holding or offsides though? To me, a good blocker that can't catch is negated by penalties directly related to blocking.

Grew was probably the worst Lion on the field today IMO. Drops, penalties, fumbles, brick hands. He embodies the same old Lions. I think Fauria will emerge as a bigger target.

I can't argue with any that and have to agree. Just know that some of those plays where our RBs got outside Pettigrew threw some really good blocks.

 

[motown1958]

I can't argue with any that and have to agree. Just know that some of those plays where our RBs got outside Pettigrew threw some really good blocks.

Pettigrew has shown he is an above average blocker but that fumble was inexcusable and the drops are infuriating. Hopefully, both sides of the ball keep playing like they did today.

 

[evolutionkb]

Did anybody see the Cruz TD that was pretty much exactly the same as the Calvin TD that was called back? They either need to be both TDs(my opinion) or neither is a TD.

 

[inkfreq]

Did anybody see the Cruz TD that was pretty much exactly the same as the Calvin TD that was called back? They either need to be both TDs(my opinion) or neither is a TD.

No, they really weren't the same, by definition of the rule.

Calvin was going to the ground "on his own" which is the key difference in the rule here.

When a player is going to the ground on their own, they much complete the process of the catch, which means the ball cannot come loose during the play.

When a player is taken to the ground, which is what happened with Cruz as he was hit, the ground cannot cause the player to loose the ball.

The way they went to the ground was the deciding factor in the application of the process of the catch rule, and while I still think this rule is complete and utter bullshit, you really can't say they were the same simply because Cruz was taken to the ground on a hit (and a pretty good hit to boot) whereas Calvin was making the end-zone dive.

 

[evolutionkb]

Hasn't it already been established though that once a "football move" has been made (after possession obviously) that they are considered a runner and all they have to is cross the goal line? Calvin caught the ball, had control, both feet down, brought the ball into his body(possesion established) and then extended the ball across the goal line(football move), it wasn't until after he hit the ground(his hip actually came down first), then his arms hit and the ball wobbled.

 

[schles192]

No, they really weren't the same, by definition of the rule.

Calvin was going to the ground "on his own" which is the key difference in the rule here.

When a player is going to the ground on their own, they much complete the process of the catch, which means the ball cannot come loose during the play.

When a player is taken to the ground, which is what happened with Cruz as he was hit, the ground cannot cause the player to loose the ball.

The way they went to the ground was the deciding factor in the application of the process of the catch rule, and while I still think this rule is complete and utter bullshit, you really can't say they were the same simply because Cruz was taken to the ground on a hit (and a pretty good hit to boot) whereas Calvin was making the end-zone dive.

That's not entirely true. The receiver has to establish control and get two feet down before the defender begins to tackle him then it doesn't matter if he loses control. In the Cruz case his left foot never hits the ground until he lunges for the goal line. Both cj and Cruz's should have been incompletions because they never maintained control when going to the ground.

 

[schles192]

Hasn't it already been established though that once a "football move" has been made (after possession obviously) that they are considered a runner and all they have to is cross the goal line? Calvin caught the ball, had control, both feet down, brought the ball into his body(possesion established) and then extended the ball across the goal line(football move), it wasn't until after he hit the ground(his hip actually came down first), then his arms hit and the ball wobbled.

He was already going to the ground so he had to maintain control, he didn't so its not a catch.

 

[inkfreq]

Without arguing semantics, in my opinion this "process of the catch" rule is complete bullshit, and Calvin had a SECOND touchdown taken away by crap.

Let them play the game and quit clouding it with crappy rules.

 

[cheeno]

Hasn't it already been established though that once a "football move" has been made (after possession obviously) that they are considered a runner and all they have to is cross the goal line? Calvin caught the ball, had control, both feet down, brought the ball into his body(possesion established) and then extended the ball across the goal line(football move), it wasn't until after he hit the ground(his hip actually came down first), then his arms hit and the ball wobbled.

This was my thought too watching the replay.

 

[mhughes0021]

Hasn't it already been established though that once a "football move" has been made (after possession obviously) that they are considered a runner and all they have to is cross the goal line? Calvin caught the ball, had control, both feet down, brought the ball into his body(possesion established) and then extended the ball across the goal line(football move), it wasn't until after he hit the ground(his hip actually came down first), then his arms hit and the ball wobbled.

this. he caught the ball then tried extending the ball over the goaline. rules was improperly enforced which is even dumber since they made that decision after watching the replay. wheres the replacement refs when you need them?

 

[motown1958]

Cruz's catch was even less of a catch then Calvin's and that shows how bad this rule is.

 

[schles192]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2013/09/matthew_stafford_surpsised_to.html

Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford got home after a long day at the office.

Despite some unfortunate calls and some costly mistakes by his teammates, he had just led the Lions to a 34-24 win over the Minnesota Vikings.

Time to enjoy some Sunday Night Football.

But with 1:45 to go in the third quarter of the Giants-Cowboys game, Stafford couldn't believe his eyes. Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz had just caught an 18-yard touchdown pass that looked eerily familiar. Only this time, unlike in his own game, the previous play was not under review and the previous play was not overturned.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 1 of the NFL Rule Book.

There's a reason they call it the Calvin Johnson rule. It's not just because the Detroit Lions wide receiver was the first to make the rule go viral. Apparently, he's also one of the few that gets called for it.

"I had no idea on the one that I threw to Calvin; I thought it was a touchdown no question," Stafford said in an interview Monday night on the Mitch Albom show. "I came down, I was on the bench and already getting a cup of water and was was looking at the pictures. Then they came back and said he didn't catch it.

"Then I watch Sunday Night Football and see Victor Cruz do the exact same thing. There's no review and no nothing. It's just a touchdown and everybody celebrates. I don't really understand how it was any different. Kind of frustrating."

The rule states:

"If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact with an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete."

And therein lies the confusion. Even as Stafford stared at the replay screen, even as a lifelong player of the game, he couldn't tell the difference.

"I thought (Calvin) caught it outside the endzone, was running and broke the plane," Stafford said. "I don't know, I just saw the Victor Cruz one from last night was just the same. It's kind of odd to me how one was a touchdown and one wasn't.

"If you were a runner running the ball into the endzone, it doesn't matter what happens to the ball after you break the plane. But, apparently that's incorrect. It's so arbitrary. Calvin now has two notches on his belt for that rule."

Following Detroit's game, Oakland Press writer Paula Pasche spoke with official John Parry, who explained the call this way:

"A player that is going to the ground on his own, which Calvin was on that play, must possess and maintain the possession of the football through the entire act of the catch. The catch did not end in that scenario. When the ball hit the end zone, the ball moved. It rotated. So he didn't maintain possession of the football."
The ball moved without control. If he would have maintained control of the football throughout the entire process, it's a touchdown. But when the ball hit in the end zone, the ball moved. He did not have complete control of the football, which is why it's incomplete."

 

[tigermud]

The rule is complete crap and the nfl needs to get its head out of his ass with this stupid rule

If a player has clear possession of the ball when it breaks the plane it should be a TD, running or catching!