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Game 12: Bears @ Lions *Thanksgiving* Thread

boogerlovejoy said:
I can put an order to that...

1. Dline. Pathetic. Lowest rated in the NFL.
2. Patricia. Proven he is not a good in game coach. Seems to be one of those guys that thinks his system is better than the players he has running it. Makes no adjustments.
3. Tight Ends. It?s only partly their fault.....as the play calling is certainly tailored to MJJ and KG.....which is hard to argue with. But James was signed and now he?s used less than Bawden .. and Hock has potential,but has been wildly inconsistent. So in summary......a highly paid FA and the #8 overall pick have fewer combined catches than Hunter Renfroe
4. Snacks. Most of the time I don?t notice he?s out there.
5. Quinn. Some good......but a lot of bad. Hockenson at #8......James.....Diggs.....Flowers (who is starting to look good) extending Jones......not addressing DE. Still so many holes to address 3 years in.
6. Oline. I expected them to suck.....so I?m not really disappointed in them.
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Quin is my 1.... you can't be this many years in and still have this many holes. Positions that need to be improved:
Lg
Rg
De
Olb
Olb
Cb
S

And that's without addressing stafford slay or Wagner which they might have to do.
 
boogerlovejoy said:
I can put an order to that...

1. Dline. Pathetic. Lowest rated in the NFL.
2. Patricia. Proven he is not a good in game coach. Seems to be one of those guys that thinks his system is better than the players he has running it. Makes no adjustments.
3. Tight Ends. It?s only partly their fault.....as the play calling is certainly tailored to MJJ and KG.....which is hard to argue with. But James was signed and now he?s used less than Bawden .. and Hock has potential,but has been wildly inconsistent. So in summary......a highly paid FA and the #8 overall pick have fewer combined catches than Hunter Renfroe
4. Snacks. Most of the time I don?t notice he?s out there.
5. Quinn. Some good......but a lot of bad. Hockenson at #8......James.....Diggs.....Flowers (who is starting to look good) extending Jones......not addressing DE. Still so many holes to address 3 years in.
6. Oline. I expected them to suck.....so I?m not really disappointed in them.
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Quinn should be #1. He is the one that built this team. The Dline looks good on paper but he has yet to add a pass rusher. He highly overpaid for Flowers knowing he doesn't rush the passer. He gave snacks an extension when he could have made him prove it this year.

Quinn is the one that brought in Patricia after a 9 win season saying we needed to get over there hump. Not fall all the way off the hump and start climbing all the way back up.

Quinn taking a TE that high when this team has way bigger needs than the passing game. Also it was after he overpaid a TE in free agency.

Quinn and his oline picks have been garbage. When Decker isn't getting beat he is getting a penalty. He is a shitty version of Backus. We have had crappy guards forever. Ragnow has been ok so far. Wagner is way overpaid like Flowers, James, Coleman, etc.

Quinn will get one more year most likely and just think of all the ways he is going to blow this draft and over spend in free agency. It is just going to set back this team even more. I say rip the band-aid off and fire him now. Let the new GM see what he can get for Stafford and possibly Slay because this team is at least 3 seasons away from being a competitor in the playoffs. By then Stafford will be at the end of his legs.
 
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Failclowns OL blows...but their punter is the man @ onside kicks.
 
turok said:
IIRC, back during the depths of Lions losing teams under Millen, the NFL was considering taking away their traditional Turkey Day game, but the Fords somehow talked them out of it, maybe the Big 3 combined to threaten greatly reducing their advertising budgets for NFL games, or something similar.


Anyway, eventually the NFL added Thursday night games for nearly every week in the regular season...and no matter if the players like it or not.
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I remember. And 30 teams rejoiced. Its a tradition so it should stay but who wants to do it every year? Them & Dallas.
 
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/s...en-tulloch-we-fired-caldwell-this/4329135002/
Frustrated former Lion Stephen Tulloch: 'We fired Caldwell for this?'
Detnews

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/s...es-most-everyone-else-not-so-much/4326103002/
Lions grades: David Blough impresses; most everyone else, not so much.
Detnews

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/s...-dream-debut-ok-one-big-exception/4325660002/
No storybook ending for Lions' David Blough in 'dream' debut.
Detnews

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...secret-success-confident-all-week/4328912002/
Detroit Lions QB David Blough's secret to success? 'He was confident all week'.
Freep

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...nated-2019-playoffs-matt-patricia/4325615002/
Matt Patricia's future in limbo as Detroit Lions eliminated from playoff contention.
Freep

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...ions-matt-patricia-challenge-flag/4329244002/
Why Matt Patricia didn't challenge late Bears catch: 'Couldn?t get a really clean look'.
Freep

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...serving-same-bad-version-football/4326106002/
It's Matt Patricia's version of Detroit Lions football, and it's driving us to madness.
Freep

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...uld-play-david-blough-sit-driskel/4325622002/
Detroit Lions stock watch: David Blough has earned an extended look at quarterback.
Freep
 
Mitchrapp said:
I remember. And 30 teams rejoiced. Its a tradition so it should stay but who wants to do it every year? Them & Dallas.
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Wrong


"It has remained a tradition for Dallas and Detroit to host the afternoon games dating back several decades. However, in recent years, other teams have expressed interest in hosting Thanksgiving games. Lamar Hunt, the former owner of the Chiefs (who had hosted Thanksgiving games from 1967?69 as an AFL team prior to the merger), lobbied heavily in favor of his team hosting a game on the holiday. When the NFL adopted a third, prime time game, the Chiefs were selected as the first team to host such a contest, but the team was not made a permanent host, and Hunt's death shortly after the 2006 contest ended the lobbying on behalf of that team."


https://www.wikiwand.com/en/NFL_on_Thanksgiving_Day#/Home_team_controversy
 
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/s...turns-bears-trubisky-into-all-pro/4330320002/
Four Downs: Lions' awful game plan turns Bears' Trubisky into an All-Pro.
Detnews

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...ances-winning-again-year-not-good/4331565002/
Detroit Lions' Matt Patricia: One win can salvage the season; chances are slim they get it.
Freep

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...ce-billingsley-bob-quinn-rod-wood/4332839002/
Ex-Detroit Lions WR Jace Billingsley refers to team brass as clowns in new music video.
Freep

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2019/11...fense-torched-by-mitchell-trubisky-again.html
Lions grades: David Blough solid in first start, defense torched by Mitchell Trubisky again.
Mlive

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2019/11/its-groundhog-day-for-the-detroit-lions-again.html
It?s ?Groundhog Day? for the Detroit Lions. Again.
Mlive

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2019/11...a-lot-to-like-abut-lions-qb-david-blough.html
3 things we learned: There?s a lot to like abut Lions QB David Blough.
Mlive

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2019/11...hicagos-mitchell-trubisky-anthony-miller.html
Lions defense carved up by Chicago?s Mitchell Trubisky, Anthony Miller.
Mlive

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2019/11...-with-offensive-line-back-to-full-health.html
Snap counts: Lions return to rotation at guard with offensive line back to full health.
Mlive

OFFENSE

OL Taylor Decker 76 (100%)

OL Frank Ragnow 76 (100%)

OL Rick Wagner 76 (100%)

QB David Blough 76 (100%)

WR Marvin Jones 73 (96%)

WR Kenny Golladay 73 (96%)

OL Joe Dahl 69 (91%)

WR Danny Amendola 57 (75%)

OL Graham Glasgow 56 (74%)

TE T.J. Hockenson 43 (57%)

RB Bo Scarbrough 36 (47%)

OL Kenny Wiggins 27 (36%)

TE Jesse James 27 (36%)

RB Ty Johnson 25 (33%)

TE Logan Thomas 19 (25%)

RB J.D. McKissic 17 (22%)

TE Isaac Nauta 7 (9%)

WR Chris Lacy 3 (4%)

DEFENSE

S Tavon Wilson 65 (100%)

CB Justin Coleman 64 (98%)

CB Darius Slay 63 (97%)

CB Amani Oruwariye 59 (91%)

S Will Harris 57 (88%)

LB Jarrad Davis 56 (86%)

S Tracy Walker 52 (80%)

LB Devon Kennard 51 (78%)

DE Romeo Okwara 41 (63%)

DE Da?Shawn Hand 39 (60%)

DE Trey Flowers 38 (58%)

DT A?Shawn Robinson 34 (52%)

DT John Atkins 32 (49%)

LB Christian Jones 27 (42%)

LB Jahlani Tavai 20 (31%)

DT Mike Daniels 14 (22%)

CB Mike Ford 2 (3%)

LB Jalen Reeves-Maybin 1 (2%)

SPECIAL TEAMS

Dee Virgin 24 (86%)

Miles Killebrew 24 (86%)

Steve Longa 19 (68%)

Isaac Nauta 19 (68%)

C.J. Moore 18 (64%)

Logan Thomas 14 (50%)

Matt Prater 10 (36%)

Christian Jones 10 (36%)

Kenny Wiggins 9 (32%)

Jesse James 9 (32%)

Sam Martin 9 (32%)

Don Muhlbach 9 (32%)

Amani Oruwariye 8 (29%)

Chris Lacy 8 (29%)

J.D. McKissic 8 (29%)

Justin Coleman 7 (25%)

Tavon Wilson 6 (21%)

Ty Johnson 6 (21%)

Will Harris 5 (18%)

Jarrad Davis 5 (18%)

Devon Kennard 5 (18%)

Romeo Okwara 5 (18%)

A?Shawn Robinson 5 (18%)

Mike Daniels 5 (18%)

Tyrell Crosby 4 (14%)

Graham Glasgow 4 (14%)

Joe Dahl 4 (14%)

Frank Ragnow 4 (14%)

Taylor Decker 4 (14%)

Danny Amendola 3 (11%)
 
https://www.detroitlions.com/news/tim-and-mike-week-13-observations-x7128
Week 13 observations.
Lions.com

Bo Scarbrough has been good, and that is becoming a trend. He joined Barry Sanders, Billy Sims and Mel Farr as the only players in Lions history to begin their careers rushing for 55-plus yards in their first three games. Scarbrough finished with 83 yards on 21 carries (4.0 average) against a Bears' defense ranked eighth against the run coming in. He?s averaging 4.5 yards per carry over his first three games.

Golladay caught four passes for 158 yards and a touchdown Sunday, bringing his season average to 20.2 yards per reception. He?s the first player since Randy Moss in 1998 to have 40 receptions and nine touchdowns while maintaining a receiving average of 20.0 yards or more through 12 games.

With nine TD catches each, Golladay and Marvin Jones Jr. have combined for 72 percent of the Lions? 25 TD catches.

Slay recorded an interception Thursday in the second half, which gives him at least two interceptions for the sixth straight season. He becomes the first Lions cornerback to do that since Lem Barney did so in 11 straight seasons (1967-77).
He?s also only the sixth player in league history to record his 100th pass defended in less than 100 games played (99).

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019...ests-t-j-hockenson-suffered-high-ankle-sprain
Detroit Lions injury update: Doctor suggests T.J. Hockenson suffered high-ankle sprain.
The Lions? first-round rookie could miss the rest of the season after suffering a late injury on Thanksgiving.
POD

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019/11/29/t-j-hockenson-lions-te-nasty-ankle-injury/
T.J. Hockenson suffered a nasty ankle injury in the Lions' loss to the Bears.
LionsWire

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019...ars-player-of-the-game-5-game-ball-candidates
Lions vs. Bears Player of the Game: 5 Game Ball candidates.
Who gets the Week 13 Game Ball?
POD

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019...-lions-thanksgiving-report-card-player-grades
Lions Thanksgiving report card: Hot start spoiled by another awful finish.
Handing out grades for the Lions? fifth-straight loss.
POD

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019...ounts-chicago-bears-thanksgiving-mike-daniels
Detroit Lions Week 13 snap counts: What happened to Mike Daniels?
One of the Lions? biggest offseason signings is barely seeing the field anymore. What gives?
POD

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019/11/29/detroit-lions-week-13-snap-counts/
Lions week 13 snap counts: Bo Scarbrough leads the way again.
LionsWire

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019...and-prepared-for-his-1st-start-and-it-showed/
David Blough was 'comfortable and prepared' for his 1st start, and it showed.
LionsWire

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019...rom-the-lions-thanksgiving-loss-to-the-bears/
The Silver (and Blue) Lining: 3 positive takeaways from the Lions Thanksgiving loss to the Bears.
LionsWire

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019...got-lucky-with-the-unintentional-onside-kick/
Matt Prater 'just got lucky' with the unintentional onside kick.
LionsWire

https://sidelionreport.com/2019/11/29/detroit-lions-top-3-defensive-needs-2020/
The Detroit Lions top 3 defensive needs for 2020.
SLR
 
When you put it this way it’s just truly ineptitude at its finest got rid of Caldwell for this! These guys are clowns

The other known fact with Trubisky is he struggles against the blitz. He's one of the worst quarterbacks in the league when opponents send an extra rusher. So what do the Lions do? They rush with four or fewer the majority of the game, and often rush with a premium on contain, defending the phantom threat of a quarterback who isn't interested in running.

The result, Trubisky has 3.14 seconds in the pocket on average, according to Pro Football Focus. Over the course of the season, that would be more than any starting quarterback in the NFL.
 
https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019/11/30/20989397/detroit-lions-signing-qb-kyle-sloter
Detroit Lions signing QB Kyle Sloter.
The Lions have added yet another quarterback.
POD

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019/11/30/20989416/jeff-driskel-ir-matthew-stafford-detroit-lions
Detroit Lions send Jeff Driskel, not Matthew Stafford, to Injured Reserve.
Lions place a quarterback on IR, but not the one we thought it would be.
POD

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/s...oter-qb-mix-place-jeff-driskel-ir/4341198002/
Lions add Kyle Sloter to QB mix, place Jeff Driskel on IR.
Detnews

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...ter-colin-kaepernick-jeff-driskel/4340891002/
Detroit Lions add QB not named Colin Kaepernick as Jeff Driskel heads to IR.
Freep

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2019/11/kyle-sloter-becomes-lions-9th-qb-of-year-jeff-driskel-to-ir.html
Kyle Sloter becomes Lions? 11th QB of year; Jeff Driskel to IR.
Mlive

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28195801/lions-place-quarterback-jeff-driskel-injured-reserve
Lions place quarterback Jeff Driskel on injured reserve.
espn

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019/11/30/20989024/detroit-lions-biggest-problem-2019-season
What is the biggest problem facing the Detroit Lions right now?
What needs to be fixed the most on this broken team?
POD

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019/11/30/detroit-lions-poor-running-on-1st-down-yards-per-carry/
Lions keep running on 1st down even though they're unsuccessful at it.
LionsWire

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019/11/30/detroit-lions-bo-scarbrough-film-study/
Film Study: After 3 games, it's clear, this is Bo Scarbrough's backfield.
LionsWire

https://sidelionreport.com/2019/11/30/detroit-lions-bo-scarbrough-roster-spot/
Detroit Lions: Bo Scarbrough has earned a roster spot next season.
SLR

https://www.detroitlions.com/news/twentyman-bevell-keeping-offense-going-despite-injuries
Bevell keeping offense going despite injuries.
Lions.com
 
https://www.detroitlions.com/news/o-hara-what-we-learned-from-week-13-x9840
What we learned from Week 13.
Lions.com

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019...l-poll-head-coach-matt-patricia-november-2019
Detroit Lions approval poll: Head coach Matt Patricia (November 2019).
Do you approve of the job Matt Patricia is doing.
POD

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019...-week-13-rooting-guide-draft-order-top-3-pick
Detroit Lions Week 13 rooting guide: How the Lions could finish Sunday in striking distance of a top-3 pick.
If everything falls the Lions way in Week 13, they could be just a half-game out of the No. 2 spot.
POD

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019/12/1/20990126/detroit-lions-biggest-need-2019-season
What is the Lions? biggest need right now?
There are plenty to choose from.
POD

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019/12/01/detroit-lions-wire-mailbag-week-13/
Mailbag: Coaching to blame for defensive struggles.
LionsWire

https://sidelionreport.com/2019/12/01/detroit-lions-david-blough-change-itinerary/
Could David Blough?s play change the Detroit Lions offseason itinerary?
SLR
 
kalinecountry said:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/s...turns-bears-trubisky-into-all-pro/4330320002/
Four Downs: Lions' awful game plan turns Bears' Trubisky into an All-Pro.
Detnews

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...ances-winning-again-year-not-good/4331565002/
Detroit Lions' Matt Patricia: One win can salvage the season; chances are slim they get it.
Freep

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...ce-billingsley-bob-quinn-rod-wood/4332839002/
Ex-Detroit Lions WR Jace Billingsley refers to team brass as clowns in new music video.
Freep

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2019/11...fense-torched-by-mitchell-trubisky-again.html
Lions grades: David Blough solid in first start, defense torched by Mitchell Trubisky again.
Mlive

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2019/11/its-groundhog-day-for-the-detroit-lions-again.html
It?s ?Groundhog Day? for the Detroit Lions. Again.
Mlive

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2019/11...a-lot-to-like-abut-lions-qb-david-blough.html
3 things we learned: There?s a lot to like abut Lions QB David Blough.
Mlive

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2019/11...hicagos-mitchell-trubisky-anthony-miller.html
Lions defense carved up by Chicago?s Mitchell Trubisky, Anthony Miller.
Mlive

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2019/11...-with-offensive-line-back-to-full-health.html
Snap counts: Lions return to rotation at guard with offensive line back to full health.
Mlive

OFFENSE

OL Taylor Decker 76 (100%)

OL Frank Ragnow 76 (100%)

OL Rick Wagner 76 (100%)

QB David Blough 76 (100%)

WR Marvin Jones 73 (96%)

WR Kenny Golladay 73 (96%)

OL Joe Dahl 69 (91%)

WR Danny Amendola 57 (75%)

OL Graham Glasgow 56 (74%)

TE T.J. Hockenson 43 (57%)

RB Bo Scarbrough 36 (47%)

OL Kenny Wiggins 27 (36%)

TE Jesse James 27 (36%)

RB Ty Johnson 25 (33%)

TE Logan Thomas 19 (25%)

RB J.D. McKissic 17 (22%)

TE Isaac Nauta 7 (9%)

WR Chris Lacy 3 (4%)

DEFENSE

S Tavon Wilson 65 (100%)

CB Justin Coleman 64 (98%)

CB Darius Slay 63 (97%)

CB Amani Oruwariye 59 (91%)

S Will Harris 57 (88%)

LB Jarrad Davis 56 (86%)

S Tracy Walker 52 (80%)

LB Devon Kennard 51 (78%)

DE Romeo Okwara 41 (63%)

DE Da?Shawn Hand 39 (60%)

DE Trey Flowers 38 (58%)

DT A?Shawn Robinson 34 (52%)

DT John Atkins 32 (49%)

LB Christian Jones 27 (42%)

LB Jahlani Tavai 20 (31%)

DT Mike Daniels 14 (22%)

CB Mike Ford 2 (3%)

LB Jalen Reeves-Maybin 1 (2%)

SPECIAL TEAMS

Dee Virgin 24 (86%)

Miles Killebrew 24 (86%)

Steve Longa 19 (68%)

Isaac Nauta 19 (68%)

C.J. Moore 18 (64%)

Logan Thomas 14 (50%)

Matt Prater 10 (36%)

Christian Jones 10 (36%)

Kenny Wiggins 9 (32%)

Jesse James 9 (32%)

Sam Martin 9 (32%)

Don Muhlbach 9 (32%)

Amani Oruwariye 8 (29%)

Chris Lacy 8 (29%)

J.D. McKissic 8 (29%)

Justin Coleman 7 (25%)

Tavon Wilson 6 (21%)

Ty Johnson 6 (21%)

Will Harris 5 (18%)

Jarrad Davis 5 (18%)

Devon Kennard 5 (18%)

Romeo Okwara 5 (18%)

A?Shawn Robinson 5 (18%)

Mike Daniels 5 (18%)

Tyrell Crosby 4 (14%)

Graham Glasgow 4 (14%)

Joe Dahl 4 (14%)

Frank Ragnow 4 (14%)

Taylor Decker 4 (14%)

Danny Amendola 3 (11%)
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This says a lot. Use a ten pick on a TE and only have him out there for 57% of the time. Why not 80%.
 
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https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019...ford-roster-explanation-matt-patricia-respect
Matthew Stafford remains on roster ?out of respect? for his competitiveness.
Matt Patricia explained why Stafford remains on the roster.
POD

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019/12/2/20992267/detroit-lions-tj-hockenson-injured-reserve
Detroit Lions to place T.J. Hockenson on IR.
The Lions? first-round pick sees his rookie season end a month early.
POD

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019/12/02/t-j-hockenson-headed-to-injured-reserve/
T.J. Hockenson headed to injured reserve.
LionsWire

https://www.detroitlions.com/news/lions-place-rookie-tight-end-t-j-hockenson-on-reserve-injured
Lions place rookie tight end T.J. Hockenson on Reserve/Injured.
Lions.com

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/s...ia-tj-hockenson-season-over-ankle/2589420001/
Lions' Matt Patricia: T.J. Hockenson?s season is over because of ankle injury.
Detnews

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...j-hockenson-ankle-injured-reserve/2589097001/
Detroit Lions to place rookie TE T.J. Hockenson (ankle) on injured reserve.
Freep

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2019/12/tj-hockensons-rookie-season-is-over-with-move-to-ir.html
T.J. Hockenson?s rookie season is over with move to IR.
Mlive

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28212407/lions-place-rookie-te-tj-hockenson-ir-ankle-injury
Lions place rookie TE T.J. Hockenson on IR with ankle injury.
espn

https://www.detroitlions.com/video/all-video
Recent Lions Webvideos.
Lions.com

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019...s-matt-patricia-2019-playoffs-what-went-wrong
4 reasons the Detroit Lions? 2019 season collapsed.
It?s another lost season in Detroit.
POD

https://www.freep.com/videos/sports...-matt-patricia-leading-every-game/2589257001/
Webvideo Detroit Lions' Matt Patricia on how team is learning from leading in every game in 2019.
Freep

https://www.detroitlions.com/news/o-hara-s-monday-countdown-what-having-the-lead-has-meant-for-lions
MONDAY COUNTDOWN: What having the lead has meant for Lions.
Lions.com

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2019...lions-unsung-hero-thanksgiving-darrell-bevell
Unsung Hero of the Week: Darrell Bevell making himself the Lions? MVP.
Bevell is working wonders with Matthew Stafford and literally anyone else the Lions line up at quarterback.
POD

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019/12/02/lions-fan-misery-stat-trailing-by-10-or-more/
Crazy stat highlights the misery of Lions fans in 2019. Read. Believe it or not.
LionsWire

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019/12/02/lions-list-of-10-quarterbacks-in-2019/
Lions have employed 10 quarterbacks on the active roster in 2019.
LionsWire

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-13-pff-senior-analyst-takeaways-2019
NFL Week 13 PFF Senior Analyst takeaways. Lions here.
 
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