Gholston update

[msuspartan]

Not playing the race card, and you have no idea about my racial background, but I'm 99% sure most of you wouldn't be calling Gholston a "thug" if he was white.

For saying Gholston needs to show some class, some of you need to look in the mirror.

You are playing the race card and it's wrong to play it. Race has nothing to do with it.

I never hear the term "thug" with a white player who is considered dirty. So now, where does the term "thug" come from? Answer it. Race has nothing to do with the punishment. Race has to do with the label that SOME of you UM fans are giving Gholston. Sounds Wal-Mart to me.

 

[hailhail]

I like to think that, as a sociology major at the University of Michigan with my socioeconomic/political background, I'm pretty keen to race-related issues, and the ways race can intrude seemingly "innocent" conversations. Though I'd love to hear your argument, I don't see that happening here. In any case, it doesn't make Gholston's actions (helmet twist in particular) any less shitty.

 

[msuspartan]

I like to think that, as a sociology major at the University of Michigan with my socioeconomic/political background, I'm pretty keen to race-related issues, and the ways race can intrude seemingly "innocent" conversations. Though I'd love to hear your argument, I don't see that happening here. In any case, it doesn't make Gholston's actions (helmet twist in particular) any less shitty.

Except for the fact that race has intruded the discussion because of an insensitive label. If an individual is telling another to show "class" then they should want to demonstrate the definition of "class" in their own actions/words. Call him a dirty player all you want, but to call someone a "thug" that has a particular connotation of criminal activity/behavior is simply wrong.

Seriously, I'm clearly bored and should be in bed.

 

[hailhail]

After a quick look at this thread, I see the use of the term "thug" to describe Gholston or his actions only once while other terms like "classless" and "dirty" appear numerous times. I don't think you would argue that they are, but are those labels also racially charged to you?

In any case, the relative infrequency of the term's appearance I think bolsters my point that this current discussion has little to do with race. And not that it disproves your more general claim (that the term thug is often racially charged, which I won't discount offhand), I can think of several instances where I, and others (maybe some on this board), have used the term "thug" to describe your coach.

 

[michlady77]

Maybe sporty fan needs to leave

The discussion is just getting repetitive

 

[redandguilty]

You are playing the race card and it's wrong to play it. Race has nothing to do with it.

I never hear the term "thug" with a white player who is considered dirty. So now, where does the term "thug" come from? Answer it. Race has nothing to do with the punishment. Race has to do with the label that SOME of you UM fans are giving Gholston. Sounds Wal-Mart to me.

I don't know the history of the word "thug", but I've never heard of anyone using it to be racist. I'm pretty sure I've seen it in newspapers.

Edit, here you go, white thugs:
http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_137462ec-1f53-5531-8f94-e839c664fa12.html
...in sports...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/897210-nhl-video-50-biggest-thugs-in-hockey-history

 

[rumseyhouse77]

i t will be one game suspension

Should be at least a two game suspension. One for each incident.

 

[TheVictors]

Dantonio and Gholston are fuckwads.



There, no racism implied with fuckwad

 

[thewolverines24]

Thug - a violent, brutal person.

No racism involved in the definition of a thug. It's not a racist term whatsoever. Every race has thugs. Gholston displayed thuggish actions during the game, so the use of the term here is justified.

Maybe he can be the next Spartan to organize a mob beat down of some students. Not like there are any repercussions for that either. Stay classy MSU.

 

[hungry]

Not playing the race card, and you have no idea about my racial background, but I'm 99% sure most of you wouldn't be calling Gholston a "thug" if he was white.

For saying Gholston needs to show some class, some of you need to look in the mirror.

You ARE playing the race card and you are probably assuming we're all white males.

 

[hungry]

Thug - a violent, brutal person.

No racism involved in the definition of a thug. It's not a racist term whatsoever. Every race has thugs. Gholston displayed thuggish actions during the game, so the use of the term here is justified.

Maybe he can be the next Spartan to organize a mob beat down of some students. Not like there are any repercussions for that either. Stay classy MSU.

Exactly, there is no racism involved with the definition of thug, therefore bringing up the race card when the word 'thug' is used is racist...

 

[thewolverines24]

Thug - a violent, brutal person.

No racism involved in the definition of a thug. It's not a racist term whatsoever. Every race has thugs. Gholston displayed thuggish actions during the game, so the use of the term here is justified.

Maybe he can be the next Spartan to organize a mob beat down of some students. Not like there are any repercussions for that either. Stay classy MSU.

Exactly, there is no racism involved with the definition of thug, therefore bringing up the race card when the word 'thug' is used is racist...

You nailed it.

 

[johnny2x2x]

Who's condoning what Gholston did? No one, although Lewan did face mask him before the punch, it was still wrong to punch him and cost us 15 yards. The head twist? Wrong too and also cost us 15 yards and kept a drive alive, but that stuff happens in the pile.

Gholston will probably get 1 game, same as Mouton got. BTW, Michigan wasn't going to suspend Mouton, the BIG 10 had to hand it down. I think Gholston should sit the Wisconsin game. It will hurt us, but we have some depth at DE. You can't do that type of stuff.

What is hilarious to us Spartans is how much we are in your fan heads. You guys areaabsolutely consumed with a team who you claim isn't even your biggest rival. Why is this thread in the U of M section and not the MSU section? What I think is that although the OSU game is a bigger rivalry for you folks, losing to State hurts worse because you feel you should beat them every year. Not to mention there are a lot more family rivalries like mine where half the people went to U of M and then half the people went to MSU. Lose to OSU and there is no one in your everyday life who will say anything about it, lose to MSU and you're surrounded by Spartans crowing about the win. And let'sface it even the OSU fans I know in Michigan keep a pretty low profile and are gracious after victories being so out numbered and away from home.

Only about 5% of U of M fans have shown an ounce of class after this loss. As in good game, you guys were better. The other 95% are having whiny meltdowns and want to focus on fluff like a few rough plays rather than the fact that a better team beat them. It's the definition of a sore loser and a classless way to handle a loss. That being said, I'm going to rub your noses in it for 365 days because although I have a lot of respect for U of M football I think they have some of the most arrogant fans in all of sports.

 

[TheVictors]

Bill Romanowski..
Kyle Turley..
Rob Reynolds..
Jared Allen..
Bill Laimbeer..


A few white thugs off the top of my head. Thugs, not sparty fuckwads, mind you.

 

[GoBlueInAtlanta]

Who's condoning what Gholston did? No one, although Lewan did face mask him before the punch, it was still wrong to punch him and cost us 15 yards. The head twist? Wrong too and also cost us 15 yards and kept a drive alive, but that stuff happens in the pile.

Gholston will probably get 1 game, same as Mouton got. BTW, Michigan wasn't going to suspend Mouton, the BIG 10 had to hand it down. I think Gholston should sit the Wisconsin game. It will hurt us, but we have some depth at DE. You can't do that type of stuff.

What is hilarious to us Spartans is how much we are in your fan heads. You guys areaabsolutely consumed with a team who you claim isn't even your biggest rival. Why is this thread in the U of M section and not the MSU section? What I think is that although the OSU game is a bigger rivalry for you folks, losing to State hurts worse because you feel you should beat them every year. Not to mention there are a lot more family rivalries like mine where half the people went to U of M and then half the people went to MSU. Lose to OSU and there is no one in your everyday life who will say anything about it, lose to MSU and you're surrounded by Spartans crowing about the win. And let'sface it even the OSU fans I know in Michigan keep a pretty low profile and are gracious after victories being so out numbered and away from home.

Only about 5% of U of M fans have shown an ounce of class after this loss. As in good game, you guys were better. The other 95% are having whiny meltdowns and want to focus on fluff like a few rough plays rather than the fact that a better team beat them. It's the definition of a sore loser and a classless way to handle a loss. That being said, I'm going to rub your noses in it for 365 days because although I have a lot of respect for U of M football I think they have some of the most arrogant fans in all of sports.

Who's condoning it? YOUR COACH!

"It wasn't a dirty play, it was a reaction."

Bullshit! If he had a pair and admitted that they were dirty plays this conversation would be half of what it is. And people outside of MSU would have a bit of respect for him.

 

[hungry]

Who's condoning what Gholston did? No one, although Lewan did face mask him before the punch, it was still wrong to punch him and cost us 15 yards. The head twist? Wrong too and also cost us 15 yards and kept a drive alive, but that stuff happens in the pile.

Gholston will probably get 1 game, same as Mouton got. BTW, Michigan wasn't going to suspend Mouton, the BIG 10 had to hand it down. I think Gholston should sit the Wisconsin game. It will hurt us, but we have some depth at DE. You can't do that type of stuff.

What is hilarious to us Spartans is how much we are in your fan heads. You guys areaabsolutely consumed with a team who you claim isn't even your biggest rival. Why is this thread in the U of M section and not the MSU section? What I think is that although the OSU game is a bigger rivalry for you folks, losing to State hurts worse because you feel you should beat them every year. Not to mention there are a lot more family rivalries like mine where half the people went to U of M and then half the people went to MSU. Lose to OSU and there is no one in your everyday life who will say anything about it, lose to MSU and you're surrounded by Spartans crowing about the win. And let'sface it even the OSU fans I know in Michigan keep a pretty low profile and are gracious after victories being so out numbered and away from home.

Only about 5% of U of M fans have shown an ounce of class after this loss. As in good game, you guys were better. The other 95% are having whiny meltdowns and want to focus on fluff like a few rough plays rather than the fact that a better team beat them. It's the definition of a sore loser and a classless way to handle a loss. That being said, I'm going to rub your noses in it for 365 days because although I have a lot of respect for U of M football I think they have some of the most arrogant fans in all of sports.

When you say "that stuff happens in a pile," you're condoning it

Ghoulston had 2 plays. Mouton had 1, yet you recommend the same punishment

The coach you speak of wherein Mouton got a 1 game suspension is fired. YOUR coach isn't going to suspend anyone and will defend them until the end.

We're not obsessed. If a UW player had done what Tom Ghoulston had done last week, there'd probably be a thread about it.

You're trolling and talking about 'class'

 

[redandguilty]

Who's condoning what Gholston did? No one, although Lewan did face mask him before the punch, it was still wrong to punch him and cost us 15 yards. The head twist? Wrong too and also cost us 15 yards and kept a drive alive, but that stuff happens in the pile.

Gholston will probably get 1 game, same as Mouton got. BTW, Michigan wasn't going to suspend Mouton, the BIG 10 had to hand it down. I think Gholston should sit the Wisconsin game. It will hurt us, but we have some depth at DE. You can't do that type of stuff.

What is hilarious to us Spartans is how much we are in your fan heads. You guys areaabsolutely consumed with a team who you claim isn't even your biggest rival. Why is this thread in the U of M section and not the MSU section? What I think is that although the OSU game is a bigger rivalry for you folks, losing to State hurts worse because you feel you should beat them every year. Not to mention there are a lot more family rivalries like mine where half the people went to U of M and then half the people went to MSU. Lose to OSU and there is no one in your everyday life who will say anything about it, lose to MSU and you're surrounded by Spartans crowing about the win. And let'sface it even the OSU fans I know in Michigan keep a pretty low profile and are gracious after victories being so out numbered and away from home.

Only about 5% of U of M fans have shown an ounce of class after this loss. As in good game, you guys were better. The other 95% are having whiny meltdowns and want to focus on fluff like a few rough plays rather than the fact that a better team beat them. It's the definition of a sore loser and a classless way to handle a loss. That being said, I'm going to rub your noses in it for 365 days because although I have a lot of respect for U of M football I think they have some of the most arrogant fans in all of sports.

Who's saying MSU wasn't better? If anything, the penalties helped to keep Michigan in the game. More importantly, I should address your 1st point. You seem to think nobody is condoning what Gholston did, what about your D-coordinator? Nobody would whine about a little bit of this stuff. We all know it happens. But under MSU's current leadership, it happens a lot. It's not the players, it's the coaches. Check out the Wall Street Journal numbers: http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576639093283303646.html?mod=ITP_personaljournal_3&mg=reno-secaucus-wsj

 

[valleroe]

I'd be suprised and dissapointed if he doesn't get a 1-game suspension for the WIsky game. Gholston seems to be a good kid who plays with a ton of emotion, I had never seen him act way before last Saturday. A scolding from the coaching staff and a 1 game suspension should teach him that kind of behavior isn't acceptable. Enough of this labeling MSU as a thug team that took all sorts of cheap shots at Michigan, it's making you guys look silly and desperate. Watch the game again, all the late hits were wrap up tackles on Denard, it's not like they were spearing the kid. I'll take those kind of late hits here and there to throw off/rattle a qb every game if we need to. Even Gholston after that helmet incident immediately apologized to Denard and proceded to help him get up from the pile for the rest of the game. Mistakes happen, Gholston will be punished, end of story. Stop trying to tarnish a good hard fought victory by blaming a whole team for the actions (completely uncharacteristic at that) of a single player on the team.

Also, the coaches encourage this type of behavior? Seriously, it's hilarious to me that you believe that Dantonio and Narduzi taught Gholston that twisting a dude's helmet in a pile is acceptable. Both of their interviews were held immediately after the game, there is no way either one of them saw the helmet twist from all the way accross the field. To think that they condone that type of behavior is just ridiculous, seriously i don't know what to tell you. Narduzi's defense plays to intimidate, that's where he was going with his press conference, my coach used to use similiar language back in H.S. Same goes for Dantonio, he was referring to the play he saw, the punch. In a big rivarly game, the big guys up front push/piss eachother off and sometimes they do dumb shit like throwing a punch. Shit happens and Gholston will be punished for it. Once again, do you honestly think Dantonio has the eyes of a hawk (hawkeye) and was able to see the helmet twist that occurred under the pile? seriously stop grasping at straws.

You can complain about one thing, the helmet twist, that's it. Sorry but the rest of your non-sense is simply the salt of the loss being poured into internet rants.

 

[hungry]

Who's condoning what Gholston did? No one, although Lewan did face mask him before the punch, it was still wrong to punch him and cost us 15 yards. The head twist? Wrong too and also cost us 15 yards and kept a drive alive, but that stuff happens in the pile.

Gholston will probably get 1 game, same as Mouton got. BTW, Michigan wasn't going to suspend Mouton, the BIG 10 had to hand it down. I think Gholston should sit the Wisconsin game. It will hurt us, but we have some depth at DE. You can't do that type of stuff.

What is hilarious to us Spartans is how much we are in your fan heads. You guys areaabsolutely consumed with a team who you claim isn't even your biggest rival. Why is this thread in the U of M section and not the MSU section? What I think is that although the OSU game is a bigger rivalry for you folks, losing to State hurts worse because you feel you should beat them every year. Not to mention there are a lot more family rivalries like mine where half the people went to U of M and then half the people went to MSU. Lose to OSU and there is no one in your everyday life who will say anything about it, lose to MSU and you're surrounded by Spartans crowing about the win. And let'sface it even the OSU fans I know in Michigan keep a pretty low profile and are gracious after victories being so out numbered and away from home.

Only about 5% of U of M fans have shown an ounce of class after this loss. As in good game, you guys were better. The other 95% are having whiny meltdowns and want to focus on fluff like a few rough plays rather than the fact that a better team beat them. It's the definition of a sore loser and a classless way to handle a loss. That being said, I'm going to rub your noses in it for 365 days because although I have a lot of respect for U of M football I think they have some of the most arrogant fans in all of sports.

Who's saying MSU wasn't better? If anything, the penalties helped to keep Michigan in the game. More importantly, I should address your 1st point. You seem to think nobody is condoning what Gholston did, what about your D-coordinator? Nobody would whine about a little bit of this stuff. We all know it happens. But under MSU's current leadership, it happens a lot. It's not the players, it's the coaches. Check out the Wall Street Journal numbers: http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576639093283303646.html?mod=ITP_personaljournal_3&mg=reno-secaucus-wsj

I don't really think we're whining about it, just discussing it, like we discuss a lot of things. The troll is just assuming we're whining.

Like I said, if we had played UW or even IU last weekend and they had a player both punch one of our players in the head and then later, after he should have been ejected for the punch, deliver a flying knee drop and then subsequent head twist to our qb who was under a pile of bodies, then yes, we'd still be discussing it.

 

[hungry]

I'd be suprised and dissapointed if he doesn't get a 1-game suspension for the WIsky game. Gholston seems to be a good kid who plays with a ton of emotion, I had never seen him act way before last Saturday. A scolding from the coaching staff and a 1 game suspension should teach him that kind of behavior isn't acceptable. Enough of this labeling MSU as a thug team that took all sorts of cheap shots at Michigan, it's making you guys look silly and desperate. Watch the game again, all the late hits were wrap up tackles on Denard, it's not like they were spearing the kid. I'll take those kind of late hits here and there to throw off/rattle a qb every game if we need to. Even Gholston after that helmet incident immediately apologized to Denard and proceded to help him get up from the pile for the rest of the game. Mistakes happen, Gholston will be punished, end of story. Stop trying to tarnish a good hard fought victory by blaming a whole team for the actions (completely uncharacteristic at that) of a single player on the team.

That's the thing, he won't get a scolding from the coach, he'll get a pat on the back. Narduzzi and Dontonio have already come out to defend the player and his actions.