Hoops vs MSU

[Gulo Blue]

gratuitous = uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted.

too bad he has me on ignore - i have so much yet to teach the young man.

Didn't your ex-DC specifically call for unnecessary roughness?

 

[thewolverines24]

*fist bump*

solidarity.

I don't like watching gratuitous violence, especially torture.

and dragons, myths, magic and other shit like that is stupid too.

but anyone who posts on the game of thrones threads in the TV section knows that already

Gratuitous violence can be annoying to me. I hate watching torture, but I deal if the surrounding story is good enough.

I like myths and magic because they are fun. I love King Kong, Lord of the Rings, and The Hobbit. Kong: Skull Island became my favorite movie last year. Not surprising considering King Kong is the greatest actor of all time.

 

[UMRules06]

*fist bump*

solidarity.

I don't like watching gratuitous violence, especially torture.

and dragons, myths, magic and other shit like that is stupid too.

but anyone who posts on the game of thrones threads in the TV section knows that already

I mentioned earlier that is not what GOT is about. For those who have watched it, they will agree. Sure some of that stuff is present in small doses, but it is by no means central to the show at all.

It's popular because of the rich characters and the complexity of the story. It appeals to a wide audience because there's literally something for everybody. My mom hates violence too but she tolerates it because the rest of the show is so good. You don't like dragons? Fine, they appear for maybe on average 30 seconds an episode. There isn't just sex and violence, there is political intrigue, power struggles, love stories, family dynamics, wartime strategy, moral/ethical conflicts, characters trying to find their identities, and it actually runs contrary to many conventional themes you will see in fantasy stories like Lord of the Rings.

Having said that, of course not everybody will be a fan lol

 

[dubbsco]

I mentioned earlier that is not what GOT is about. For those who have watched it, they will agree. Sure some of that stuff is present in small doses, but it is by no means central to the show at all.

It's popular because of the rich characters and the complexity of the story. It appeals to a wide audience because there's literally something for everybody. My mom hates violence too but she tolerates it because the rest of the show is so good. You don't like dragons? Fine, they appear for maybe on average 30 seconds an episode. There isn't just sex and violence, there is political intrigue, power struggles, love stories, family dynamics, wartime strategy, moral/ethical conflicts, characters trying to find their identities, and it actually runs contrary to many conventional themes you will see in fantasy stories like Lord of the Rings.

Having said that, of course not everybody will be a fan lol

There's SOME fantasy to it, but most of it is about family dynamics, conquering lands, etc... If you can stomach a small amount of wackiness, you'll love it.

 

[tinselwolverine]

*fist bump*

solidarity.

I don't like watching gratuitous violence, especially torture.

and dragons, myths, magic and other shit like that is stupid too.

but anyone who posts on the game of thrones threads in the TV section knows that already

Dude you're a fan of Star Trek. You're as much of a nerd as everybody else.

 

[Michchamp]

You like football. Football is violent.

I really only watch Michigan football now. no NFL, except very rarely.

that season opener a couple years ago, where the refs allowed the Broncos to go headhunting on Cam Newton, and by the start of the 4thQ he was staggering around like he was drunk... after seeing that, I decided I was done with the NFL. watching a guy get his brain damaged is not entertainment (to me at least).

someday I might not be able to watch college football anymore, though they've been better about flagging and ejecting people for headhunting.

I don't watch boxing or MMA either.

 

[Michchamp]

Gratuitous violence can be annoying to me. I hate watching torture, but I deal if the surrounding story is good enough.

I like myths and magic because they are fun. I love King Kong, Lord of the Rings, and The Hobbit. Kong: Skull Island became my favorite movie last year. Not surprising considering King Kong is the greatest actor of all time.

yeah, emphasis on "gratuitous" for me.

I can deal with violence, even extreme violence, but when it becomes the focus, or is being used to "sell" the movie or TV show, almost like a snuff film... that's when I change the channel.

I liked Reservoir Dogs... couldn't sit through Kill Bill.

 

[Spartanmack]

Didn't your ex-DC specifically call for unnecessary roughness?

no he didn't, but he did give a poorly worded answer to a question from the press. I recall everyone losing their collective minds over that - not sure I was around DSF or if DSF was even around at the time but I have no doubt the grievance hustlers here were no different.

 

[dubbsco]

yeah, emphasis on "gratuitous" for me.

I can deal with violence, even extreme violence, but when it becomes the focus, or is being used to "sell" the movie or TV show, almost like a snuff film... that's when I change the channel.

I liked Reservoir Dogs... couldn't sit through Kill Bill.

So like Saving Private Ryan, Braveheart, Gladiator... Are those tolerable?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Dude you're a fan of Star Trek. You're as much of a nerd as everybody else.

 

[Michchamp]

So like Saving Private Ryan, Braveheart, Gladiator... Are those tolerable?

yes. i'm not an idiot... there was violence in the DDay landings, Scottish uprisings, and Roman gladiatorial combat. historically accurate; not gratuitous.

I wouldn't go to a war movie and complain about seeing war.

actually my biggest complaint about Saving Private Ryan had nothing to do with violence, but the hokey, tacked-on emotional scene at the end of it.

Ha. I hated the episodes where they used the Holodeck... lame plot device to help them shoehorn in non-sci-fi scripts.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Speaking of gratuitous violence and Spartans, they rebooted Ash vs the Evil Dead

 

[Michchamp]

Speaking of gratuitous violence and Spartans, they rebooted Ash vs the Evil Dead

is it any good? Bruce Campbell generally makes everything good.

 

[Gulo Blue]

is it any good? Bruce Campbell generally makes everything good.

I feel like I need to admit to liking it. They seem to be making an effort to see just how ridiculous the violence can be. In the first couple episodes, I think I wavered for a bit between enjoying it and thinking ok, there's no way I'm watching this, but I ultimately watched all of it. There are scenes you don't want people to walk in on you watching. Some scenes are kind of brilliant. I think what they've got figured out is a balance between cringing at something disgusting and then how easy it is to laugh in the moment after it's over.

 

[TheVictors]

When I said GOT had gratuitous violence I meant like children’s throats being slit - unnecessary. Take Hitchcock for example - the shower scene in Psycho was horribly violent, yet never once did the camera show the knife cutting into her.

Didn’t need to.

 

[Gulo Blue]

When I said GOT had gratuitous violence I meant like children?s throats being slit - unnecessary. Take Hitchcock for example - the shower scene in Psycho was horribly violent, yet never once did the camera show the knife cutting into her.

Didn?t need to.

I guess the violence in Ash vs. the Evil Dead could be said to NOT be gratuitous since the show couldn't exist without it.

 

[Spartanmack]

I guess the violence in Ash vs. the Evil Dead could be said to NOT be gratuitous since the show couldn't exist without it.

the show is about gratuitous violence so the violence isn't gratuitous - if that's not bulletproof justification, I don't know what is. And I don't mean bulletproof in a gratuitous violence kind of way.

 

[Gulo Blue]

the show is about gratuitous violence so the violence isn't gratuitous - if that's not bulletproof justification, I don't know what is. And I don't mean bulletproof in a gratuitous violence kind of way.

Feels like some kind of corollary to No True Scotsman.

 

[Spartanmack]

Feels like some kind of corollary to No True Scotsman.

no, actual true sarcasm. I'm a big Ash fan although I've never actually seen the show but I doubt I'd have a problem with it. It seems oddly less gratuitous when it's obviously comedic vs. the crap you see in a Tarantino film.

 

[Michchamp]

I feel like I need to admit to liking it. They seem to be making an effort to see just how ridiculous the violence can be. In the first couple episodes, I think I wavered for a bit between enjoying it and thinking ok, there's no way I'm watching this, but I ultimately watched all of it. There are scenes you don't want people to walk in on you watching. Some scenes are kind of brilliant. I think what they've got figured out is a balance between cringing at something disgusting and then how easy it is to laugh in the moment after it's over.

sounds like it's more for comedic effect, like in Army of Darkness.

When I said GOT had gratuitous violence I meant like children?s throats being slit - unnecessary. Take Hitchcock for example - the shower scene in Psycho was horribly violent, yet never once did the camera show the knife cutting into her.

Didn?t need to.

yeah. I think we're on the same page here. In too many movies, the grotesque & violent is just a substitute for the lack of talent of the filmmakers or screenwriters. or lack of plot.

"Hey, I'm no Bill Shakespeare, but I did write a scene where the protagonist rips a guy's head off and pisses down his throat. Edgy, huh?

Uh, so uh... can you give me some money now?

I do wonder whether some of these torture porn fests like "Saw" even go through a script writing process.