How the Mueller Investigation Could Play Out for Trump

[tomdalton22]

I?ve wondered what it would be like to binge watch a series backwards; starting with the film alley and then going back ordered and finishing with the pilot.

The great film Memento were structured a little like that.

this Seinfled episode was kind of done backward

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ3sypqMUKU

 

[Gulo Blue]

That was part of what the inspector general said in his report. Sorry since you posted a link to the 568 page PDF report I thought you were familiar with what it said.

A) It's still not written by a person just because it's published by the Office of the Inspector General, B) that's not what it says.

 

[Michchamp]

Maybe he wasn't taking it as cash, but campaign donations? who knows?

he did those things I mentioned; he's run for president a number of times unsuccessfully,
going back to the 80's.

Like a lot of "dangerous liberals" there's a big disconnect between what he says, and how he votes.

A lot is made of the "partisanship" in Washington, but it seems to me much of the differences are in the rhetorical sense. The bills that benefit the wealthy, large corporations, and the military always get through. the GOP votes for them almost to a man. Occasionally Rand Paul or someone like him stands apart. then there's a revolving cast of democrats that do, while holding up the odd "no" vote as evidence of their liberal bonafides. then you have a half dozen congressmen and senators that do stand on their principles consistently, but not nearly enough to matter.

 

[Michchamp]

side note: another result of the Mueller investigation is that I learned Ice T is still legit.

I followed him on twitter.

 

[tigermud]

So now Trump is saying that if he were gone the market would crash and everyone would be poor. So, my gut says Trump will get bogged down enough in legal issue (though probably not removed from office) and only serve 1 term, so when the chickens come home to roost over his stupid trade efforts, the chunk of the country that still approves of him will still blame other factors, even after we have a few years of results that show the Trump presidency to be an undesirable inflection point in GDP and budget deficit charts (which I think it will be.)

I for one will, in fact, be moving everything to cash from stocks and bonds if anything happens to him. I don't consider his comment about this completely crazy.

 

[Michchamp]

I for one will, in fact, be moving everything to cash from stocks and bonds if anything happens to him. I don't consider his comment about this completely crazy.

Uh oh!

Hear that Wall Street!?!?

 

[tigermud]

A) It's still not written by a person just because it's published by the Office of the Inspector General, B) that's not what it says.

I'm not going to do the text search for you, the report does contain those words in various places. I'm starting to not even recall your original point now these conversations only end in circle jerks and I don' t have the time for it. i'm leaving for a while now before I get too upset with everything going on with all these conflicted people trying to overthrow the trump presidency. What then, should Hillary be installed as the president?, let pence finish it out then elect a socialist in 2020 is that what you all want? no thanks.

 

[sggatecl]

I'll research them all one by one as time permits your specific statement was grabbed by as per his taped bus comment. I don't see that allegation on the first one thus far. He made advancements trying to get some, was rejected and backed off that appears to be his pattern, tries, gets rejected a lot, backs off, tries someone else. It's not secret he likes women. Maybe when the dems start supporting fair trade again I'll consider one again. Until then Trump is doing a fantastic job for the country IMO.

At least you're committed to your priorities. Good for you.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I'm not going to do the text search for you, the report does contain those words in various places. I'm starting to not even recall your original point now these conversations only end in circle jerks and I don' t have the time for it. i'm leaving for a while now before I get too upset with everything going on with all these conflicted people trying to overthrow the trump presidency. What then, should Hillary be installed as the president?, let pence finish it out then elect a socialist in 2020 is that what you all want? no thanks.

You don't have to search for me. The point of the report was that they didn't find evidence of bias and want to claim the opposite by taking a phrase way out of context.

 

[Spartanmack]

I get that Hillary and her camp were pretty crooked. No argument from me there.

But it's weird to demand the DOJ spend it's time going after people who are not in power and can't do shit, while allowing openly corrupt fraudsters to continue looting the government and handing out quid pro quos so brazenly.

If nothing else, in my mind, this at least restores a very small bit of my faith in our government, and more importantly will hopefully send a signal to others that it's not totally "open season" just because TRUMP, a career fraudster is in office.

Someone else noted that Manafort (and other DC lobbyists like him) had been doing this shit for a long time; he only got in trouble now because he tried to do it officially, from the inside. I take that as another small token of evidence that we still have some standards.

what are you talking about? they went after him and her when they were both in power and they gave a free pass to both of them for obvious crimes - that's the issue.

 

[Spartanmack]

If you're going to throw out blanket accusations, at least give some names (ones that don't rhyme with Shillary). I'll gladly pile on some liberals who are grabbing women without consent, having their lawyer make mystery $50k campaign payments, covering up porn star affairs, etc. Just point me in the direction.

I'm not fan of Trump - I've always thought he was a serial philandering scumbag, as Tinsel kind of pointed out, nobody thought he or the Clintons or other politicians were squeaky clean. And I can't imagine there were any Trump voters who would have changed their mind about him if Stormy Daniels' accusation were made public - he'd already easily brushed off far worse accusations than that.

My take on this is it's a joke - at some point Stormy probably would have tried to cash in on banging Trump and Trump would have paid her hush money, but because of the timing issue, and the possible lies of shady attorney trying to spare himself, it's suddenly the political crime of the century? give me a break.

 

[Spartanmack]

...If nothing else, in my mind, this at least restores a very small bit of my faith in our government, and more importantly will hopefully send a signal to others that it's not totally "open season" just because TRUMP, a career fraudster is in office.

This bit of your post gets the "Please STFU Award" for August. Your renewed faith is based 100% on the testimony of an attorney who just a couple months ago, when he was a staunch defender of Trump you were lambasting as an incompetent, untrustworthy, lying ambulance chaser from Cooly Law School. Now all of a sudden, the guy flips to save his own sorry ass and he's saving our democracy. Please, STFU.

 

[Gulo Blue]

This bit of your post gets the "Please STFU Award" for August. Your renewed faith is based 100% on the testimony of an attorney who just a couple months ago, when he was a staunch defender of Trump you were lambasting as an incompetent, untrustworthy, lying ambulance chaser from Cooly Law School. Now all of a sudden, the guy flips to save his own sorry ass and he's saving our democracy. Please, STFU.

He said Manafort, and I think he was talking bigger picture. Cohen was Cooley, right?

 

[Spartanmack]

He said Manafort, and I think he was talking bigger picture. Cohen was Cooley, right?

the conversation was about both, in the post prior to the one I quoted he talked about the actions against both being a good thing for inspiring opposition to the Kavanagh appointment and the post he was replying to was about Trump being held to account for his alleged misdeeds, which I believe is based entirely on the Cohen situation. He did mention Manafort in the next paragraph. Given the context of the conversation, I think it's an accurate and fair interpretation. The 100% may be slightly overstated but there are no asterisks he gets the award, no conditions.

 

[Gulo Blue]

The 100% may be slightly overstated but there are no asterisks he gets the award, no conditions.

I'll just have to work harder for the September Award.

 

[Michchamp]

This bit of your post gets the "Please STFU Award" for August. Your renewed faith is based 100% on the testimony of an attorney who just a couple months ago, when he was a staunch defender of Trump you were lambasting as an incompetent, untrustworthy, lying ambulance chaser from Cooly Law School. Now all of a sudden, the guy flips to save his own sorry ass and he's saving our democracy. Please, STFU.

I was crediting the DOJ, not Cohen, Mr. I-got-nothing-but-ad-hominem-attacks-but-whine-and-cry-when-people-respond-in-kind-to-me.

 

[sggatecl]

I'm not fan of Trump - I've always thought he was a serial philandering scumbag, as Tinsel kind of pointed out, nobody thought he or the Clintons or other politicians were squeaky clean. And I can't imagine there were any Trump voters who would have changed their mind about him if Stormy Daniels' accusation were made public - he'd already easily brushed off far worse accusations than that.

My take on this is it's a joke - at some point Stormy probably would have tried to cash in on banging Trump and Trump would have paid her hush money, but because of the timing issue, and the possible lies of shady attorney trying to spare himself, it's suddenly the political crime of the century? give me a break.

The $50k I was referencing was to a 'mystery' tech company. I agree with you that the Stormy stuff. On the list of things Trump has fucked up, it's at the bottom of the list. I'm not surprised at the air time it got though, people eat that shit up.

I'm still not convinced that Trump gets impeached. I think the worst thing (and still a long shot) that happens is he finishes his 4 years, doesn't get re elected, and then his dirty dealings catch up to him. He's Teflon as long as he's in the Oval Office imo.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I'm still not convinced that Trump gets impeached. I think the worst thing (and still a long shot) that happens is he finishes his 4 years, doesn't get re elected, and then his dirty dealings catch up to him. He's Teflon as long as he's in the Oval Office imo.

He might not want to run again. I think he might have been more interested in being the president than doing what the president does.

 

[Michchamp]

The $50k I was referencing was to a 'mystery' tech company. I agree with you that the Stormy stuff. On the list of things Trump has fucked up, it's at the bottom of the list. I'm not surprised at the air time it got though, people eat that shit up.

I'm still not convinced that Trump gets impeached. I think the worst thing (and still a long shot) that happens is he finishes his 4 years, doesn't get re elected, and then his dirty dealings catch up to him. He's Teflon as long as he's in the Oval Office imo.

I think, despite the rhetoric, few people actually in federal office want to see a president - any president - get impeached. Having the president go down fighting like that is too disruptive to business as usual in DC.

But I could see him resigning if the amount of scrutiny he's under starts to affect his ability to scam investors and bilk the tigermuds of America out of their $$$ with real estate seminars, Trump-branded butt plugs, etc.

 

[Spartanmack]

I was crediting the DOJ, not Cohen, Mr. I-got-nothing-but-ad-hominem-attacks-but-whine-and-cry-when-people-respond-in-kind-to-me.

it's a good try, but everyone knows it's you who whines about ad hominem, after engaging in nothing but ad hominem.

and I didn't say you were crediting Cohen, I said the actions the DOJ are taking are based 100% (revised slightly lower) on the testimony of a person you consider to have no credibility, at least when he was defending Trump.