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How the Mueller Investigation Could Play Out for Trump

So we are hanging the Mueller probe on catching Jr. in a lie under oath about a meeting in which no real laws have been broken? Collusion by itself is not against the law, no matter how much people would like it to be.

Figuring that catching Jr. might get daddy under oath??? I guess they don't call it a perjury trap for nothing.

Who knows, maybe it might work. Trump's lie on Air Force One was not under oath. Trump gets caught in his lies way more than most politicians, I'll grant you that a thousand times. Just need to read Bob's 200-300 posts on the subject to suspect that, but proving the President actually perjured himself might get a bit dicey.

There was a report that Mueller is examining Trump's tweets - I suspect it was to see if there is anyone else they can browbeat into a perjury trap, then turn them against the president. That is how it works. Maybe there is a way they can recommend that Congress indict/impeach him on an Obstruction of Justice charge for his tweets - but that isn't even an indictment yet, and by itself is not proof of anything.

We may be into his second term before we get him, but, by God, we will impeach this man. Then he will very likely finish out his 2nd term. I imagine it will go to the SCOTUS multiple times before they ever get the President under oath. Hey maybe he will perjure himself ? la Clinton, and then it goes to the Republican controlled Senate to what - remove him? Now were back to dreaming that the investigation isn't tainted enough for 66 Senator's to vote to remove him. :no:

So let me ask you, is there anyone that voted for Trump knowing pretty much the same stuff they knew when he was elected the first time that is changing their vote over this so-called investigation? I'm thinkin' no.

Is there any chance the Democrats will control the Senate after the mid-terms? Probably not unless something far beyond the usual hair-on-fire scandals that have come to light already. Maybe that is why MM and many highly partisan hacks get completely hysterical over any misstep - keep hope alive that one of these "scandals" will catch on and get people to change their vote.

I didn't vote in the last election. I copped out, couldn't bring myself to vote for that other idiot that was running, but I may not cop out this time.

Simple question to ask yourself. There is a sizable majority of folks that vote on this one simple question. Am I personally better off now than I was before he was elected? Many uneducated deplorables may have a different answer than y'all liberals.

It does matter. We will see . It is just not as easy as am I better off now then before.. I sure wish I had a lot of money because I would be better off now. But then you know the stock market went from 7k to 19K Under Obama even under constant filibuster from the GOP. So rich make rich even under Democrats lol. Yeah sorry I am not better off, and even if I was I would not vote for this clown in office who has made America a laughing stock.

Yeah it matters when a president Lies all the fucking time. It matters when he calls out all media except Fox news. It matters when zillionaires like the Koch brothers hand pick supreme court justices. It matters that his administration does not give two shits about the Education, environment, or anybody's rights. Fuck Trump and the GOP for letting Putin walk all over America. I cannot help it if you cannot see it.

But guess what we will see this November in a off year election if the left has finally woke and if all the votes are counted. Well That is if Democrats can beat Russian vote purging and The Great GOP Gerrymandering machine which is even worse..
 
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Simple question to ask yourself. There is a sizable majority of folks that vote on this one simple question. Am I personally better off now than I was before he was elected?


Are you just pointing out that a lot of people decide based on this question or are you saying it's a good question to base your vote on?


My perception is that things have mostly been the same whether you're talking about Obama or the past year, where the stock market does well, but wages increase around 1% per year after adjusting for inflation.


But regardless, the majority of folks basing their vote on this one question would be trouble because it would mean we are lost from an ethical or Christian point of view. I've said before, I do think we focus on ourselves if we aren't doing well or if we are scared, and that could help explain some of our politics, but it wouldn't be applicable to a scenario where people vote for Trump-supported candidates because they think they are doing better under Trump.
 
Trump and the Kochs are butting heads right now.

You really believe that ? It?s all a Act in my opinion. They have a plan and have been following it for years. The left better wake up before it is to late.
 
You really believe that ? It?s all a Act in my opinion. They have a plan and have been following it for years. The left better wake up before it is to late.

Careful bob. You're getting dangerously close to tigermud levels of conspiracy theory.
 
You really believe that ? It?s all a Act in my opinion. They have a plan and have been following it for years. The left better wake up before it is to late.


I do believe it. They spent $40 million lobbying for the TPP. They are completely opposed to Trump's approach to trade.
 
I do believe it. They spent $40 million lobbying for the TPP. They are completely opposed to Trump's approach to trade.

One of my fav trump actions pulling us out of the tpp nose dive before it was too late! Thank you Donald trump!
 
I can't find this video online anymore


When pressed by O’Donnell as to whether Trump has ties to Russian oligarchs, Manafort said, “That’s what he said. That’s what ... that’s obviously what our position is.”
 
I can't find this video online anymore


When pressed by O?Donnell as to whether Trump has ties to Russian oligarchs, Manafort said, ?That?s what he said. That?s what ... that?s obviously what our position is.?


Well, as the POTUS, he's gonna have a tie to the President of Russia, who is an oligarch.

I guess Clinton and Bush and Obama had the same tie to a Russian oligarch.

Putin came along as Clinton as the president, right?
 
Well, as the POTUS, he's gonna have a tie to the President of Russia, who is an oligarch.

I guess Clinton and Bush and Obama had the same tie to a Russian oligarch.

Putin came along as Clinton as the president, right?


Not back when Manafort said this. Trump wasn't POTUS yet. I think it was pretty awkward, but I wanted to see it again and re-evaluate.
 
Rick Gates has admitted cooking the books for Manafort and stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars from him. That's what got me thinking about it.
 
Meanwhile, for those of us not obsessessed with the "RUSSIA!" sideshow and distraction, and paying attention to news that actually affects us, the FCC just revealed they lied that DDOS attacks brought down their site last year after John Oliver urged supporters to leave comments supporting net neutrality. (link-o)

also, Congress passed another massive Pentagon spending bill (Bipartisanship!) and no budget scolds went on all the morning news shows to ask "How are we going to pay for this?" which is surprising because it's very inconsistent of them.
 
also, Congress passed another massive Pentagon spending bill (Bipartisanship!) and no budget scolds went on all the morning news shows to ask "How are we going to pay for this?" which is surprising because it's very inconsistent of them.

That's funny.
 
Are you just pointing out that a lot of people decide based on this question or are you saying it's a good question to base your vote on?


My perception is that things have mostly been the same whether you're talking about Obama or the past year, where the stock market does well, but wages increase around 1% per year after adjusting for inflation.


But regardless, the majority of folks basing their vote on this one question would be trouble because it would mean we are lost from an ethical or Christian point of view. I've said before, I do think we focus on ourselves if we aren't doing well or if we are scared, and that could help explain some of our politics, but it wouldn't be applicable to a scenario where people vote for Trump-supported candidates because they think they are doing better under Trump.

First I was pointing out that polls have indicated on multiple occasions that that is a main reason presidents get re-elected. I am inclined to agree based on my limited anecdotal evidence. Do you really believe the masses (other than fringe right, or evangelicals) think or care about ethics or their religion when voting for president? I highly doubt it. My comment only really applies to presidents too, as all Congressional elections are subject to gerrymandering and issues that are local to the constituents involved. Those elections, as well as many local ones, become skewed, and can affect you personally very much.

I know you have stated before that we focus on ourselves, but the reasons you give are very limited. I think millions of people who might not be considered elite or all that educated, vote on that issue alone. It may even be subconscious, but our culture has been transforming into a me-and-my-own first, everyone else second or worse, for quite some time. That certainly wasn't just Trump's doing, so, for the record, I disagree with your last statement.

I might have stated this elsewhere about the lowest 70% of wage earners by income, and it is an idea that even I have been warming up to, that POTUS, whomever it is, really doesn't affect the aforementioned people's lives all that much. We, the vocal ones, let it affect our lives, hanging on every word and election like it is life or death. For some small number, it may be, but for most people, they are affected very little, so it is easy to focus on whether they are individually better off. Even as a primary reason for voting.

Trump is a lot of things, most of them bad, but my father once told me, don't count your shit before its actually hatched (tongue in cheek, of course). Trump's presidency, as well as a lot of other crap, shall pass, we will outlive his negative effects, I can almost guarantee that.

Lest I be accused of not caring, I am here to tell you that I care very deeply, about many, many things, and will always endeavor to vote for the person I think can benefit the most people. I do keep my religion out of it, and when I consider the individual morality/ethics of the candidates, it is only as one aspect, and in my opinion, even though I didn't vote, Trump's was better than HRC's. I am sure many will vehemently disagree.

To that I say - isn't this country grand that we are allowed to hold our own personal opinions regardless of how hysterical others get about how much they believe the opposite.
 
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