I hope we lose tomorrow

[Mitchrapp]

3 things are against us. Our BP, our Bats and on the road.

 

[byco42]

3 things are against us. Our BP, our Bats and on the road.

All Verlander has to do, then, is spin a two-hit, 101-pitch shutout. Problem solved.

 

[pr0tege]

That unknown/non experienced manager over in Chicago did very well for them this year. They weren't supposed to compete at all.

Don't you remember when we tried that with Trammel? You cannot use what Ventura did as an example of what we could expect to happen here in the big D. The team setup is built to win now at whatever cost and Jim no matter what us fans might think is absolutely positively loved in that clubhouse by everyone. Ventura was a low key type player and has continued that way in his managerial debut this season and considering the type of manager Ozzie was it was the right type of spark they needed and honestly having several players that had career rebuilding type years helped.

The only reason I would of liked to see Jim replaced (IF he was not brought back) that I believe could have worked with this clubhouse is if he was replaced by someone with legit managerial experience. I believe Tito would have been a perfect fit to replace Jim but as he had stated he was not interested in the Tigers position if it would have come available with the firing of Leyland since they are close friends.

I am sure Tito had asked Jim IF he wanted to manage again next season and when he said yes Tito knew right then and there he would not be managing in Detroit even though its obviously a better situation then what he is facing in Cleveland but again he would not replace a fired Leyland.

We would be looking at possibly Ozzie Guillen, Jim Riggleman or a current bench coach. Hell look at the options out there right now and then look at the fact we would be basically competing with Boston's managerial opening as well. I would honestly not be surprised one bit if we do not bring back Jim he ends up in Boston.

 

[pr0tege]

All Verlander has to do, then, is spin a two-hit, 101-pitch shutout. Problem solved.

Let not forget were facing a rookie starting a 5th and decisive game as well in all of this. Granted he performed well in game 1 against us the pressure of starting a clinching game can cause jitters. I don't see us winning a close 2-1, 3-2 and so forth as I had mentioned last night but this offense is DUE and I would not be surprised to see the offense open up tonight when it wouldn't totally be necessary with JV on the mound.

I hate predictions but I believe we win tonight 6-4 scoring all 6 runs within the 1st 5 innings and nothing afterwards which would be fitting for our offense lol.

 

[tomdalton22]

Don't really agree with that.

Regardless of whether he pitched the 1st and 5th games, or 3rd and 7th, JV was only going to start two games in the ALCS.

I'm not really worried about pitching matchups anyways, because our pitching is so good, Fister and Scherzer match up well with both the Orioles and Yankees best pitchers.

There is a HUGE difference. If he starts game one and wins the Tigers are guaranteed that he gets another start. If he starts game 3 and wins there is no guarantee he gets 2 starts. Also, if he starts game 1 and there is a rainout (one of the games that he doesn't start) there is a possiblity that he could go game 7 if needed.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Don't you remember when we tried that with Trammel? You cannot use what Ventura did as an example of what we could expect to happen here in the big D. The team setup is built to win now at whatever cost and Jim no matter what us fans might think is absolutely positively loved in that clubhouse by everyone. Ventura was a low key type player and has continued that way in his managerial debut this season and considering the type of manager Ozzie was it was the right type of spark they needed and honestly having several players that had career rebuilding type years helped.

The only reason I would of liked to see Jim replaced (IF he was not brought back) that I believe could have worked with this clubhouse is if he was replaced by someone with legit managerial experience. I believe Tito would have been a perfect fit to replace Jim but as he had stated he was not interested in the Tigers position if it would have come available with the firing of Leyland since they are close friends.

I am sure Tito had asked Jim IF he wanted to manage again next season and when he said yes Tito knew right then and there he would not be managing in Detroit even though its obviously a better situation then what he is facing in Cleveland but again he would not replace a fired Leyland.

We would be looking at possibly Ozzie Guillen, Jim Riggleman or a current bench coach. Hell look at the options out there right now and then look at the fact we would be basically competing with Boston's managerial opening as well. I would honestly not be surprised one bit if we do not bring back Jim he ends up in Boston.

Trammell? His team was filled with trash. The best manager in the history of MLB wouldn't win with that team. We said the same thing about Phil Garner, he gets fired then wins games with Milwaukee. The freakin' Brewers.

Not a Ventura clone then, get an inexperienced guy with some fire. That's what Arizona did. Managers have to start somewhere instead just hiring retreads.

 

[hungry]

Don't you remember when we tried that with Trammel? You cannot use what Ventura did as an example of what we could expect to happen here in the big D. The team setup is built to win now at whatever cost and Jim no matter what us fans might think is absolutely positively loved in that clubhouse by everyone. Ventura was a low key type player and has continued that way in his managerial debut this season and considering the type of manager Ozzie was it was the right type of spark they needed and honestly having several players that had career rebuilding type years helped.

The only reason I would of liked to see Jim replaced (IF he was not brought back) that I believe could have worked with this clubhouse is if he was replaced by someone with legit managerial experience. I believe Tito would have been a perfect fit to replace Jim but as he had stated he was not interested in the Tigers position if it would have come available with the firing of Leyland since they are close friends.

I am sure Tito had asked Jim IF he wanted to manage again next season and when he said yes Tito knew right then and there he would not be managing in Detroit even though its obviously a better situation then what he is facing in Cleveland but again he would not replace a fired Leyland.

We would be looking at possibly Ozzie Guillen, Jim Riggleman or a current bench coach. Hell look at the options out there right now and then look at the fact we would be basically competing with Boston's managerial opening as well. I would honestly not be surprised one bit if we do not bring back Jim he ends up in Boston.

Don't use the Trammel crap. This team didn't spend any money at all when Trammel was the manager. Isn't Tram now an assistant to Gibson out in Arizona and they're not doing half bad, if I remember right

 

[hungry]

Let not forget were facing a rookie starting a 5th and decisive game as well in all of this. Granted he performed well in game 1 against us the pressure of starting a clinching game can cause jitters. I don't see us winning a close 2-1, 3-2 and so forth as I had mentioned last night but this offense is DUE and I would not be surprised to see the offense open up tonight when it wouldn't totally be necessary with JV on the mound.

I hate predictions but I believe we win tonight 6-4 scoring all 6 runs within the 1st 5 innings and nothing afterwards which would be fitting for our offense lol.

Well, you could say that the A's offense is due, while you're at it. Didn't they just hang 12 on Texas? They've been held down pretty well so far this series.

 

[tomdalton22]

The manager isn't the problem.

 

[pr0tege]

Trammell? His team was filled with trash. The best manager in the history of MLB wouldn't win with that team. We said the same thing about Phil Garner, he gets fired then wins games with Milwaukee. The freakin' Brewers.

Not a Ventura clone then, get an inexperienced guy with some fire. That's what Arizona did. Managers have to start somewhere instead just hiring retreads.

The difference in today's day and age though is when you have LEGIT star type players as we have THREE of them on this team (Miggy, Prince and JV) you can rest assured those players will have some influence on what type of manager is brought in here especially after the debacle that happened in Boston this year with the players from the start not agreeing with Bobby V being brought in. We will be replacing someone in JL that is know as a PLAYERS coach and is absolutely beloved in that clubhouse. Trust me I have been in this clubhouse several times and spoke with players every spring down in Lakeland the last 10+ years. He is LOVED by the players and replacing him with the wrong type of non experienced manager could wreak havoc on the future of this team.

Also lets not forget JV has 2 years left on his contract and Miggy has 3 so making the wrong type of managerial move could not only cost us in regards to team chemistry but as well the wrong type move could also cost us 2 of the best players in the game.

 

[mjsb2]

There is a HUGE difference. If he starts game one and wins the Tigers are guaranteed that he gets another start. If he starts game 3 and wins there is no guarantee he gets 2 starts. Also, if he starts game 1 and there is a rainout (one of the games that he doesn't start) there is a possiblity that he could go game 7 if needed.

It doesn't have much of an impact on our overall probability of winning the series or not.

 

[jas5lf]

The manager isn't the problem.

+1

Any manager in the game would have used Valverde given the situation last night. Not Jim's fault that sorry sack of shit can't close out a game with a 2 run lead.

 

[pr0tege]

There is a HUGE difference. If he starts game one and wins the Tigers are guaranteed that he gets another start. If he starts game 3 and wins there is no guarantee he gets 2 starts. Also, if he starts game 1 and there is a rainout (one of the games that he doesn't start) there is a possiblity that he could go game 7 if needed.

The bottom line is the other 3 pitchers in our rotation has to win at least 2 games. Jim has stated over and over he will not start JV on short rest so the possibility of him pitching 1-5-7 is out the door. If he starts 1-5 as he would have IF we would of won last night if the other pitchers don't win 2 games were in the same predicament if he would start 3-7.

 

[Mitchrapp]

What happened to 3 man rotations. Game 1-4-7. He can't now but he is the horse of the 21st Century, pitch him until his ass falls off.

 

[grandy]

I hope we get a new manager, so I can see fans still bitch about the manager.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I hope we get a new manager, so I can see fans still bitch about the manager.

At least we can bitch about different reason's?

 

[mjsb2]

+1

Any manager in the game would have used Valverde given the situation last night. Not Jim's fault that sorry sack of shit can't close out a game with a 2 run lead.

As posted on another forum...

"Valverde has regressed to a bad pitcher. There is hardly any statistical measure by which he is in even the top 2/3 of AL relievers. He has no business closing in the major leagues, let alone for a playoff team. If JL insists on using him at all, he must maintain at least one decent pitcher behind him to relieve him in any game that matters, and since they all matter now, that means every time out. Anything else is just foolish, wishful thinking managing. There is no other way to put it. Any other course of action is simply logically indefensible based on the objective evidence.

JL can say "Valverde is my closer" till he is blue in the face, that will not wish Valverde into being a competent major league reliever again."

 

[jas5lf]

As posted on another forum...

"Valverde has regressed to a bad pitcher. There is hardly any statistical measure by which he is in even the top 2/3 of AL relievers. He has no business closing in the major leagues, let alone for a playoff team. If JL insists on using him at all, he must maintain at least one decent pitcher behind him to relieve him in any game that matters, and since they all matter now, that means every time out. Anything else is just foolish, wishful thinking managing. There is no other way to put it. Any other course of action is simply logically indefensible based on the objective evidence.

JL can say "Valverde is my closer" till he is blue in the face, that will not wish Valverde into being a competent major league reliever again."

Jose looked pretty good in his last save opportunity prior to last night's meltdown. There was no way to predict he was going to blow up like he did.

Warming up another arm while your supposed closer is pitching is sending the wrong message and completely undermines having your closer in there in the first place.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Jose looked pretty good in his last save opportunity prior to last night's meltdown. There was no way to predict he was going to blow up like he did.

Warming up another arm while your supposed closer is pitching is sending the wrong message and completely undermines having your closer in there in the first place.

Not really. If a guy doesn't have it why not warm someone else up. Though, probably couldn't do it last night because he likes to use his RP no more than 1-inning at a time. I don't understand why not stretch Al-Al for a 2nd inning if he's in a grove and a low pitch count. Or if Dotel is on.

Plus, they already have LR guys why is Porcello on the roster? Should have went with another short man. Just a waste.

 

[tigermud]

As posted on another forum...

"Valverde has regressed to a bad pitcher. There is hardly any statistical measure by which he is in even the top 2/3 of AL relievers. He has no business closing in the major leagues, let alone for a playoff team. If JL insists on using him at all, he must maintain at least one decent pitcher behind him to relieve him in any game that matters, and since they all matter now, that means every time out. Anything else is just foolish, wishful thinking managing. There is no other way to put it. Any other course of action is simply logically indefensible based on the objective evidence.

JL can say "Valverde is my closer" till he is blue in the face, that will not wish Valverde into being a competent major league reliever again."

Stat shown on MLB last night, Valverde is 0-3 with a 6.59 in the post season.

That's not going to cut it, I don't want to see him back next year, closer by committee, I don't care, anyone(s) but Jose Fastball, hell even Coke would be better. Did I just say that. Yes, Yes I did..