I hope we lose tomorrow

[hungry]

The biggest part of being a manager is to get your 25-40 players to come together as a team and respect you as a leader. Leyland has passed that with flying colors in his years here. We almost never have in house fighting which is a huge plus for him. A smaller part (but more visable part) is making moves in games. The reason I consider it smaller is because good teams can work around a few mistakes and still win. So does Leyland make it harder at times to win games? Yes. Are they so bad that the team can't win with him managing? No. Working all of those ego's is a very underrated thing that many managers are unable to do.

Yeah, because managing the bullpen has nothing to do with being a good manager. The daily lineups with Inge, Raburn, Santiago, and Brennan Boesch have nothing to do with managing. Putting DP DY at the 5 spot the entire season despite hitting into DP's constantly has nothing to do with managing.

 

[tigerfan2272]

Did I not say making moves? That involves bullpen and lineup order. But to be honest it's ridiculous to say any other manager wouldn't use Benoit and Valverde in. There is simply no one else who has the experience and level of talent (When good) in the bullpen otherwise. Could he use the bullpen better? Yes. But it's not like we are loaded in the bullpen department to begin with anyway. As for the Boesch, Santiago etc again look at our bench. It's pathetic to put it nicely. Most teams have a deep bullpen and deep bench but we just simply don't have it. I put that on DD more than I do Leyland.

 

[tigerfan2272]

And who are you going to hit 5th? Avila? Peralta? Both have sucked just as bad at the plate. Dirks? He hasn't played a full season in the majors yet. Infante? I know the "Anything but Delmon" thing but when you look at the lineup I can't say for sure anyone else wouldn't suck just as bad.

 

[tomdalton22]

Yeah, because managing the bullpen has nothing to do with being a good manager. The daily lineups with Inge, Raburn, Santiago, and Brennan Boesch have nothing to do with managing. Putting DP DY at the 5 spot the entire season despite hitting into DP's constantly has nothing to do with managing.

those are all part of it....but a small part.

 

[tigerfan2272]

If we can get a game manager who also can command a clubhouse than I am all for it. But looking at the crop of managers available I don't see one. Francona was one but he is gone now, Gibby isn't leaving Arizona.

 

[xer0]

asinine post from THE dumbest michigan sports fan on ESPN.

 

[hungry]

And who are you going to hit 5th? Avila? Peralta? Both have sucked just as bad at the plate. Dirks? He hasn't played a full season in the majors yet. Infante? I know the "Anything but Delmon" thing but when you look at the lineup I can't say for sure anyone else wouldn't suck just as bad.

He didn't even try anyone else at the 5, just stuck with his boy, do or die.

At this point, I'd rather see Laird, although if something happened to Avila, then they'd be screwed.

 

[hungry]

Did I not say making moves? That involves bullpen and lineup order. But to be honest it's ridiculous to say any other manager wouldn't use Benoit and Valverde in. There is simply no one else who has the experience and level of talent (When good) in the bullpen otherwise. Could he use the bullpen better? Yes. But it's not like we are loaded in the bullpen department to begin with anyway. As for the Boesch, Santiago etc again look at our bench. It's pathetic to put it nicely. Most teams have a deep bullpen and deep bench but we just simply don't have it. I put that on DD more than I do Leyland.

I'm not just talking about game 4 of hte ALDS

Using Valverde in nonsave situations, where he throws 30+ pitch innings and then is unavailable the next day for a save situation. Using Benoit in nonset-up situations where he throws 30+ pitches and then is unavailable the next daywhen you need him to be fresh for a set-up. etc etc etc

 

[pr0tege]

He didn't even try anyone else at the 5, just stuck with his boy, do or die.

At this point, I'd rather see Laird, although if something happened to Avila, then they'd be screwed.

Actually he tried giving other players a shot in the 5 hole and no one really produced nothing to be honest.

 

[hungry]

Actually he tried giving other players a shot in the 5 hole and no one really produced nothing to be honest.

only in days where he deemed DY needed a break. He never used someone for a series of games, only a game here and there. That's not really trying to give other players a shot, that's just resting his boy, because being the DH everyday is really tiring.~~~

 

[hungry]

so you're argument is that he played things the way he played things, because he had no other choice? I think that many would disagree with you. There is a lot more to managing a baseball team than 'managing the spoiled brats.' You're entitled to your belief that we should never get rid of Leyland because keeping him is our only choice. I've already acknowledged that he'll be back next year, but there are is a large portion of our fanbase that is not overanxious to see Jimmy Smokes next season.

 

[beez]

This team should be able to make the playoffs with one of Jeff Dunham's dummies as manager.

They should?

 

[pr0tege]

only in days where he deemed DY needed a break. He never used someone for a series of games, only a game here and there. That's not really trying to give other players a shot, that's just resting his boy, because being the DH everyday is really tiring.~~~

Numbers for players hitting in the 5 Hole this season:

Young:
508 AB, 136 H, 16 HR, 66 RBI, .268 AVG, .295 OBP, .413 SLG, .708 OPS

Boesch:
55 AB, 13 H, 0 HR, 2 RBI, .236 AVG, .288 OBP, .309 SLG, .597 OPS

Peralta:
28 AB, 6 H, 1 HR, 7 RBI, .214 AVG, .267 OBP, .321 SLG, .588 OPS

Avila:
18 AB, 4 H, 0 HR, 0 RBI, .222 AVG, .300 OBP, .333 SLG, .633 OPS

Dirks:
10 AB, 3 H, 1 HR, 3 RBI, .300 AVG, .300 OBP, .700 SLG, 1.000 OPS

 

[tigerfan2272]

I don't think anyone is thrilled with Leyland but I think he takes on more blame than he should.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I don't think anyone is thrilled with Leyland but I think he takes on more blame than he should.

To me he's more annoying.

 

[hungry]

Numbers for players hitting in the 5 Hole this season:

Young:
508 AB, 136 H, 16 HR, 66 RBI, .268 AVG, .295 OBP, .413 SLG, .708 OPS

Boesch:
55 AB, 13 H, 0 HR, 2 RBI, .236 AVG, .288 OBP, .309 SLG, .597 OPS

Peralta:
28 AB, 6 H, 1 HR, 7 RBI, .214 AVG, .267 OBP, .321 SLG, .588 OPS

Avila:
18 AB, 4 H, 0 HR, 0 RBI, .222 AVG, .300 OBP, .333 SLG, .633 OPS

Dirks:
10 AB, 3 H, 1 HR, 3 RBI, .300 AVG, .300 OBP, .700 SLG, 1.000 OPS

so this analysis shows that the only player that got a significant chance to see regular time at the 5 hole is Brennan Boesch, a player that pretty much everyone here feels worse about than DY.

Can we see the players AVG w/ RISP? I think this stat would show how terrible DY truly is. DY tends to pump up his numbers when the bases are empty. Yes, this makes a difference. People approach their at-bats differently when there are RISP compared with when the bases are empty.

 

[hungry]

I don't think anyone is thrilled with Leyland but I think he takes on more blame than he should.

He doesn't take any blame, he puts it all on the players. He is constantly talking about how its not about him, its about the players. I hate his gamespeak. Blame it on the players, credit the players, its all about the players, i have nothing to do with it. I call BS.

Then there's the other gamespeak that i complained about earlier, where his stated goal was "to play meaningful games in September." True, they did meet this goal, but its a stupid goal. His stated goal should've been to win the Central. I hate his attitude.

 

[pr0tege]

so this analysis shows that the only player that got a significant chance to see regular time at the 5 hole is Brennan Boesch, a player that pretty much everyone here feels worse about than DY.

Can we see the players AVG w/ RISP? I think this stat would show how terrible DY truly is. DY tends to pump up his numbers when the bases are empty. Yes, this makes a difference. People approach their at-bats differently when there are RISP compared with when the bases are empty.

Young:
None On - .271
Runners On - .261
RiSP - .287
Bases Loaded - .188
Leading Off Inning - .242
RiSP 2 Out - .294

Boesch:
None On - .214
Runners On - .270
RiSP - .279
Bases Loaded - .167
Leading Off Inning - .193
RiSP 2 Out - .302

Dirks:
None On - .318
Runners On - .326
RiSP - .321
Bases Loaded - .200
Leading Off Inning - .350
RiSP 2 Out - .214

Avila:
None On - .218
Runners On - .273
RiSP - .273
Bases Loaded - .000 (8 AB)
Leading Off Inning - .207
RiSP 2 Out - .289

Peralta:
None On - .231
Runners On - .250
RiSP - .236
Bases Loaded - .273
Leading Off Inning - .262
RiSP 2 Out - .288

Cabrera:
None On - .320
Runners On - .340
RiSP - .356
Bases Loaded - .273
Leading Off Inning - .311
RiSP 2 Out - .420

Prince:
None On - .294
Runners On - .336
RiSP - .338
Bases Loaded - .000 (7 AB)
Leading Off Inning - .301
RiSP 2 Out - .304

Jackson:
None On - .320
Runners On - .264
RiSP - .300
Bases Loaded - .417
Leading Off Inning - .339
RiSP 2 Out - .196

Infante:
None On - .289
Runners On - .253
RiSP - .218
Bases Loaded - .231
Leading Off Inning - .294
RiSP 2 Out - .180

 

[Mitchrapp]

Prince Fielder:
Bases Loaded - .000

I'm curious how many chances he got?

 

[pr0tege]

Prince Fielder:
Bases Loaded - .000

I'm curious how many chances he got?

7 AB total