Iglasias fight

[Rebbiv]

Look at my earlier post. I said that I also heard on the radio that Iggy was a ****y showboat in Boston and that Pedroia took him under his wing, not that he had issues with Pedroia. Not sure if the radio guys were basing their statement off the quote in your article or their own research/knowledge/sources.

The articles I linked seem to support at least the part about Pedroia mentoring Iggy. Now, the reason he needed mentoring from a vet might be in question, but there's a decent likelihood that it's for the reasons we have all seen... Iggy can be a bit of a showboat and doesn't seem too eager to take direction from certain teammates. From what I've observed and heard, he seems to have respect for very good veterans like Pedroia, Miggy, etc., but not so much for guys like McCann. Read into it whatever you want, but don't mistake my words or say stupid shit like "it's completely unsubstantiated", because at least part of the story clearly is... all over the place on the web from the 2012-2013 timeframe.

Also, don't forget about the Red Sox dugout issues that were present when Iglesias was a rookie. That was the time where Lester and others were said to be drinking and eating fried chicken during games, Francona was popping pills and living in a hotel while his marriage was on the rocks, the Valentine was brought in and it turned into an even bigger shit show. Is it out of the realm of possibility to think Iglesias might have had an attitude or a dust up with someone back then too? Those Sox teams in 2011 and 2012 were a mess, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that anybody on them was arguing or handling things poorly.

In 2011, Francona's last, Iglesias played in only 10 games, and only started 1. He was used as pinch runner and/or defensive replacement.

In 2012, Valentine's only year, Iglesias was a late season call up (Aug 25) and played in 25 games, starting 23 games.

I want to know how anyone might think that 24 games started over 2 seasons can be the basis of anything. Even in 2013, Stephen Drew was the starting SS for BOS and Iglesias filled in July while Drew was hurt. Otherwise he also primarily played 3B in June. Once Drew returned healthy in July, Iglesias was dealt to DET.

Fact, Iglesias only started 51 games at SS in 3 years for BOS. He started 40 games for DET in 2013 and and has 1 instance in 136 games started for DET.

Everything you posted was conjecture on your part, which is further disparaging a player's reputation.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

In 2011, Francona's last, Iglesias played in only 10 games, and only started 1. He was used as pinch runner and/or defensive replacement.

In 2012, Valentine's only year, Iglesias was a late season call up (Aug 25) and played in 25 games, starting 23 games.

I want to know how anyone might think that 24 games started over 2 seasons can be the basis of anything. Even in 2013, Stephen Drew was the starting SS for BOS and Iglesias filled in July while Drew was hurt. Otherwise he also primarily played 3B in June. Once Drew returned healthy in July, Iglesias was dealt to DET.

Fact, Iglesias only started 51 games at SS in 3 years for BOS. He started 40 games for DET in 2013 and and has 1 instance in 136 games started for DET.

Everything you posted was conjecture on your part, which is further disparaging a player's reputation.

Am I correct in saying that Iglesias was on the team, and in the dugout for portions of 2011 and 2012? YES

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/i/iglesjo01.shtml

Am I correct in saying that Iglesias clearly has been mentored by Pedroia in 2012 and 2013 at least? YES

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8...-endorses-stephen-drew-believes-jose-iglesias

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/...tin-pedroia/mekhyqlFZANbCnc0MpJPBI/story.html

Am I correct in saying that there were MULTIPLE reports on the shit show that was the end of the Francona era and the Valentine era in Boston? YES

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7091109/report-terry-francona-pain-meds-use-alarmed-boston-red-sox

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7114689/boston-red-sox-jon-lester-admits-beer-drinking-wrong

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/...y-valentine/iM2us1UeBXWevfB8NXoqgM/story.html

Oh, and here's a couple articles from 2013 on Iglesias's bad attitude...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...jose-iglesias-benched-because-of-bad-attitude

http://www.csnne.com/blog/red-sox-talk/pawsox-iglesias-benched-disciplinary-reasons

I didn't make this stuff up... I'm only relaying the statements presented in MANY different articles.

 

[Rebbiv]

Am I correct in saying that Iglesias was on the team, and in the dugout for portions of 2011 and 2012? YES

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/i/iglesjo01.shtml

Am I correct in saying that Iglesias clearly has been mentored by Pedroia in 2012 and 2013 at least? YES

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8...-endorses-stephen-drew-believes-jose-iglesias

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/...tin-pedroia/mekhyqlFZANbCnc0MpJPBI/story.html

Am I correct in saying that there were MULTIPLE reports on the shit show that was the end of the Francona era and the Valentine era in Boston? YES

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7091109/report-terry-francona-pain-meds-use-alarmed-boston-red-sox

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7114689/boston-red-sox-jon-lester-admits-beer-drinking-wrong

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/...y-valentine/iM2us1UeBXWevfB8NXoqgM/story.html

Oh, and here's a couple articles from 2013 on Iglesias's bad attitude...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...jose-iglesias-benched-because-of-bad-attitude

http://www.csnne.com/blog/red-sox-talk/pawsox-iglesias-benched-disciplinary-reasons

I didn't make this stuff up... I'm only relaying the statements presented in MANY different articles.

Question for you...why include the comment about Francona living in a hotel and popping pills then?

Everything you posted for the most part is circumstantial and you are basically "inferring" the rest.

 

[Thumb]

He's still arguing oranges.

The issue of Iggy being mentored by Pedroia was never in question. That often happens with a rookie and a veteran on the same team.

You "assuming" the reason for the mentoring is all conjecture, and is as reliable as what the reporter in that article said. Not at all.

There is still no source or any other independent confirmation of an "issue between Iglesais and Pedroia" and you are on a wild goose chase my friend trying to justify it.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Question for you...why include the comment about Francona living in a hotel and popping pills then?

Everything you posted for the most part is circumstantial and you are basically "inferring" the rest.

To illustrate what a shit show it was in Boston. They had a clear lack of leadership at the very top and players were acting up/out as a result.

If you think what I posted is circumstantial, inferred, or unsubstantiated, you have blinders on. There are hundreds of articles out there giving different accounts of the mess in Boston from 2011-2013, on Francona's issues, on Valentine's issues, on other players' issues, and on Iglesias' issues. I linked just a small few from The Boston Globe, ESPN, etc., yet you seems to want to say I'm making things up or falsely connecting dots. Should I just go along with your completely empty assertions that there is nothing to any of this, or should I look at the overwhelming evidence and statements to the contrary?

 

[kingofdetroit57]

He's still arguing oranges.

The issue of Iggy being mentored by Pedroia was never in question. That often happens with a rookie and a veteran on the same team.

You "assuming" the reason for the mentoring is all conjecture, and is as reliable as what the reporter in that article said. Not at all.

There is still no source or any other independent confirmation of an "issue between Iglesais and Pedroia" and you are on a wild goose chase my friend trying to justify it.

I never said there was an issue between Iglesias and Pedroia. In fact, there is clear evidence to the contrary. I'm not sure why you think I'm arguing that particular point.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Here's an article about Pedroia mentoring Iglesias on his attitude...

http://nesn.com/2012/12/jose-iglesi...ned-stephen-drew-according-to-dustin-pedroia/

I supposed it's still all conjecture though.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Another another reference to it here, though the article is no longer up...

http://muckrack.com/link/JWqC/dusti...-but-hes-got-to-continue-to-try-to-get-better

 

[Rebbiv]

To illustrate what a shit show it was in Boston. They had a clear lack of leadership at the very top and players were acting up/out as a result.

If you think what I posted is circumstantial, inferred, or unsubstantiated, you have blinders on. There are hundreds of articles out there giving different accounts of the mess in Boston from 2011-2013, on Francona's issues, on Valentine's issues, on other players' issues, and on Iglesias' issues. I linked just a small few from The Boston Globe, ESPN, etc., yet you seems to want to say I'm making things up or falsely connecting dots. Should I just go along with your completely empty assertions that there is nothing to any of this, or should I look at the overwhelming evidence and statements to the contrary?

Maybe you can help me. How is the implied "lack of leadership" in BOS have anything to do with perceived issue with Iglesias' lack of hustle? In what article does it clearly state that Iglesias had an issue in Boston with lackadaisical play? And if he did truly have an issue, why did it take 136 games in Detroit for someone to perceive there was an issue here?

Quite frankly, I have watched many, many games. Or listened to them on the radio. And have read numerous Tigers media reports. And until the issue with McCann didn't once hear, read, or see anything.

 

[Rebbiv]

Here's an article about Pedroia mentoring Iglesias on his attitude...

http://nesn.com/2012/12/jose-iglesi...ned-stephen-drew-according-to-dustin-pedroia/

I supposed it's still all conjecture though.

How does this have anything with his lack of hustle, being ****y or being lackadaisical?

 

[Rebbiv]

Another another reference to it here, though the article is no longer up...

http://muckrack.com/link/JWqC/dusti...-but-hes-got-to-continue-to-try-to-get-better

You are reading way too much into this. Where was the proof? Direct quote from anyone?

A website called "Muck RacK" should have clued you in.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Maybe you can help me. How is the implied "lack of leadership" in BOS have anything to do with perceived issue with Iglesias' lack of hustle? In what article does it clearly state that Iglesias had an issue in Boston with lackadaisical play? And if he did truly have an issue, why did it take 136 games in Detroit for someone to perceive there was an issue here?

Quite frankly, I have watched many, many games. Or listened to them on the radio. And have read numerous Tigers media reports. And until the issue with McCann didn't once hear, read, or see anything.

I didn't say anything about hustle or lackadaisical play. I said, "I heard this on the radio yesterday too, so maybe there is more to it. They were saying that Iggy was a ****y showboat in Boston, but Pedroia took him under his wing and the two are now close."

I've seen a number of articles describing Iggy as a showboat, and I see him do showboaty type stuff since he got here. I have no issues with it though. The guys is amazing in the field and likes to show that off regularly by making crazy plays look routine. Ozzie Smith was a showboat too... who cares? On the ****y side of things, I think that goes somewhat hand-in-hand with being a showboat, but it's been supported by Iglesias' own comments and reactions to adversity. Getting mad that the Sox signed Drew. Saying something like "no one should tell me how to play my position" and "I think I can make every play". Again, I don't have an issue with that stuff. I think the guy is a stud defensive shortstop, he's a core part of our future, and I like that chip on the shoulder, competitive attitude. I also like McCann trying to be a leader and speaking up when he sees something he thinks is crap. This team seems to be missing that leadership right now. Not sure if Tori, Miggy, VMart, Leyland, or someone else supplied it previously, but it doesn't seem to be there right now. The dust up in the dugout was a pretty minor thing in my opinion. Didn't need to turn physical, but at least it wasn't a Geno Smith deal and at least a couple players still have some fire in them.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

You are reading way too much into this. Where was the proof? Direct quote from anyone?

A website called "Muck RacK" should have clued you in.

And you are clearly not reading at all. That was a direct Providence Journal article quote. Muck Rack is a tool to find and contact journalists, you clown.

 

[hellifino]

"Oh, and here's a couple articles from 2013 on Iglesias's bad attitude...".

Wow, I guess he does have a bad tude at times.

 

[xer0]

Omar Infante = Ian Kinsler.

LMFAO.

 

[Rebbiv]

And you are clearly not reading at all. That was a direct Providence Journal article quote. Muck Rack is a tool to find and contact journalists, you clown.

Why make this personal?

I clearly do not see in the links anything that clearly states issues with Iglesias being lackadaisical. Again, if it is there, whey not paste it below the link?

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Why make this personal?

I clearly do not see in the links anything that clearly states issues with Iglesias being lackadaisical. Again, if it is there, whey not paste it below the link?

I never said he was lackadaisical, Rebbiv.

The Providence Journal article is no longer on their website. I'm sure it can be found elsewhere or for a cost, but the lead in is clearly provided and it talks about Iggy's attitude being addressed by Pedroia.

As far as making it personal, I apologize for calling you a clown, but you are so quick to want to tell me I'm wrong without reading what I posted or linked that it's getting a little silly. Taking 5sec to research what Muck Rack was and another 5sec to see that the article was from an actual news source probably would have prevented your earlier response. If you are adamant that I'm just wrong, so be it. I really don't care and won't lose sleep over it. We can agree to disagree.

 

[Thundercats]

Crickets.

You douchebags are all about stats until they prove you wrong.

 

[Thundercats]

Yes, we all know your opinion on him. Even before the dugout indecent.

Of course 99% of your opinions and prediction of him have been wrong, but that's another thread.

That 4 months of data is sure stacking up against me.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

In what article does it clearly state that Iglesias had an issue in Boston with lackadaisical play?

Again, I haven't once said that Iggy was lackadaisical, and don't see him that way, but the link I posted earlier certainly seems to imply that from that portion that is visible...

"Dustin Pedroia on Jose Iglesias: 'We're proud of him, but he's got to continue to try to get better'


By Brian MacPherson
providencejournal.com ? NEW YORK -- Dustin Pedroia has never shied away from getting on anybody. But Pedroia always has reserved a special space in his vocal cords for Jose Iglesias. Pedroia can see as well as anyone the talent Iglesias has. Pedroia has as little patience as anyone for a player who doesn't do everything he can to maximize that talent."

How else should the last statement be understood?