Is CJ the best ever?

[boogerlovejoy]

I bet Montana didn't throw the ball 700 times

Nope.....and I guess it really didn't matter, since Steve young was the quarterback of that 1995 team.

Oh, and they threw it 644 times in '95.

Steve Young 40.6 att/game.....which was 4th most all time at that point. So don't
act like they weren't chucking it up that year.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Stafford doesn't have Roger Craig

Or Brent Jones
Or John Taylor
Or Tom Rathman
Or even Mike Sherrard....a pretty damn good #3.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Nope.....and I guess it really didn't matter, since Steve young was the quarterback of that 1995 team.

Oh, and they threw it 644 times in '95.

Steve Young 40.6 att/game.....which was 4th most all time at that point. So don't
act like they weren't chucking it up that year.

Boom

:rush:

 

[MaizeNCheese304]

644. Stafford will end up with almost 100 more attempts lol.

 

[Mitchrapp]

What does that have to do with how many balls CJ catches. He broke the record with less catches and an inferior team. So :lmao:

 

[MaizeNCheese304]

Congrats on the record lol.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You sound jealous. Didn't you last year or the year before say that Jennings was the best WR in the division?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

You sound jealous. Didn't you last year or the year before say that Jennings was the best WR in the division?

Wow.....he sounds like a jealous ex-girlfriend. What a tool.

Calm down Mac & Cheese....everyone on the planet knows that Megatron is the best WR in the game right now. You don't have to convince us.

 

[MaizeNCheese304]

I said it last year he was by far the best and possibly one of the best all time last year. You guys are kinda dumb lol.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Liar liar pants on fire, hang your little dick on a telephone wire.

 

[MaizeNCheese304]

That's just weird. Lulz

 

[Mitchrapp]

You forgot your lol.

 

[tonyballs]

Gruden is a clown.

He was slobbing all over Jones and White and was discrediting CJ the whole game.

Gruden sounded like an idiot and he knew it about halfway through his retarded comments. Great thing about it was that Mike Tirico let him burn and didn't help him out at all...lol.

 

[mhughes0021]

1304 yards while th egame is close...leads the nfl. fuck off gruden.

Calvin Johnson's targets, 'garbage yards'
December, 29, 2012 Dec 298:00AM ETBy Kevin Seifert | ESPN.com Recommend0 Tweet8 Comments11Email Print Our Wild Week 17 was so busy that we never got a chance to circle back on the historic Week 16 of Detroit Lions receiver Calvin Johnson. So on this final Saturday morning of the NFL regular season, let's follow up on two noteworthy angles.

First, we should establish some context for the intensity with which the Lions have helped Johnson pursue the NFL record for receiving yards in a season. As the chart shows, Johnson already has been targeted more times in the regular season than any player in the past five seasons. (ESPN Stats & Information's database of video analysis goes back as far as 2008.)

Most Targets in a Season Since 2008
Year Player Targets GP*
2011 Wes Welker 194 19
2008 Larry Fitzgerald 188 20
2012 Calvin Johnson 187 15
2011 Roddy White 187 17
2010 Roddy White 183 17
*Includes playoff games
Source: ESPN Stats & Information
In fact, if the Lions target Johnson eight times Sunday against the Chicago Bears, he'll eclipse the 20-game total -- including the playoffs -- of Larry Fitzgerald in 2008 and the 19-game total of Wes Welker in 2011. That should give you a pretty good idea of how frequently the Lions have thrown Johnson's way this season relative to a five-year sample of NFL play.

(We should also point out that Chicago Bears receiver Brandon Marshall has been targeted 175 times, the fourth-highest regular-season total over the past five years. If the Bears throw the same number of passes his way Sunday as they have averaged this season -- 11.6 -- he will finish with more regular-season targets over the past five years than anyone not named Calvin Johnson.)

The frequency of Johnson's targets, combined with the Lions' 4-11 record, has drawn the inevitable discussion of whether he has benefited from "garbage yards" that came during portions of games that were not close. As we discussed last weekend, ESPN analyst Jon Gruden asserted that Johnson had gained some "meaningless yards" this season that "tarnish the record."

There are a number of problems here, including how to establish a reliable parameter for "garbage yards." Once that happens, Johnson's "garbage yards" aren't relevant until you compare them to other receivers and also look at how his "non-garbage yards" measure up as well.

We've noted that Johnson has totaled 588 receiving yards in situations where the Lions either led by at least 10 points or trailed by 10 points in a game. That's the highest total in the NFL, but his 1,304 yards when the point differential is less than 10 points is also the highest total in the league. So if you want, you could argue that Johnson has been the NFL's most productive receiver in close games.

In the end, I would point you toward Bill Barnwell's thoughtful analysis and discussion of the topic earlier this week over at Grantland.com. Barnwell wrote that "you can make 'garbage time' mean anything you like, and eventually, you'll probably come to some sort of split that tells the story you want to tell."

To me, it's wrong to assume that receivers on the most successful teams only catch "meaningful" passes. Johnson has earned his targets this season, especially considering the exotic defenses he has faced, and his yards should be considered no less legitimate than any other receiver's.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And they are counting 10 + or - at all points of the game, eh? If he's up by 10 in the 1st Q are they suppose to run it? I don't see that as garbage time.

 

[manchild98]

CJ only had 4 games where you could say he may have had "garbage time yards."

We beat J'Ville 31-14 and he caught 1 pass with 8 minutes to go in the 4th Q when we were up 24-8. That catch was for 18 yards and lead to us scoring again to make it 31-8. He caught no more passes that game.

In the very next game against Minnesota on the road we were down 34-17 with 4:30 to go. He caught 3 passes (including a TD) on our final scoring drive to make it 34-24. Those 3 passes went for 11, 19 and 11.

In the Arizona game we fell behind 31-10 with 5 minutes to go. CJ caught 1 ball for 8 yards after that.

In the Atlanta game, we fell behind 31-16 with 3 minutes to go...technically i'll count this as garbage yards even though we have a chance to score and recover an onside kick. CJ catches a pass for 26 yards (record setter). We give the ball back and end up getting a safety to make it 31-18 with 1:21 to go. CJ catches 1 more pass for 20 yards.

So that's it guys.....every other game we were in it until the very last drive. Either us or our opponent could win it, lose it or tie it on the very last possession of the game. There were no other "garbage time yards." He caught 7 balls for 113 yards during times where we really had no chance to win, lose or tie the game. That's it.

Moral of the story...next time someone brings up garbage yards use this post and tell them to go fuck themselves.

 

[tomdalton22]

He is the best WR in the NFL today. As far as all time he has a long way to go to pass Rice.

 

[manchild98]

He is the best WR in the NFL today. As far as all time he has a long way to go to pass Rice.

He has a long time left to do it too.

 

[erg57]

Best in the game NOW.

Still has a long way to go before he passes Rice.

agreed. Kinda like barry sanders' dad telling him he was never better than j. Brown. passed him in record books but the debate will live on with payton, brown and sanders (intentionally omitted Emmit smith for o-line reasons).

the game is so much different now compared to Rice's day. CJ only had 5 tds all year with that buttload of yards. thats wrong

 

[Mitchrapp]

agreed. Kinda like barry sanders' dad telling him he was never better than j. Brown. passed him in record books but the debate will live on with payton, brown and sanders (intentionally omitted Emmit smith for o-line reasons).

the game is so much different now compared to Rice's day. CJ only had 5 tds all year with that buttload of yards. thats wrong

CJ also was doubled and tripled teamed more than Rice. There is advantages to different era's, that benefited Rice. Not including the HOF team he played for..