It's good to be an MSU fan right now

[Spartan23MSU]

from 1994 -2005 during some "laughingstock" years we were still winning toilet bowl and avg bowl games with some frequency. I dont remember many years having a losing record. We have never been Indiana bad or Minnesota boring but middle of the pack from what I remember and ranked in the top 25 at some point many of those years also. Currently MSU is a top 3 Football/hoops combo University. Yes, it would have been great to be as good as the hoops team from those years but REALISTICALLY how many schools in the last 100 years dominate at both sports simultaneously(we are right now)? Exactly, only a small handful. There will be some people that dont like that but that just means youre doing something right Were posed to be top 10 in both sports yet again so all the little pissy jealous haters are going to really have to watch their pouting.

 

[Spartanmack]

were we? I though Saban and JLS were both winless in bowl games and Bobby Williams won just one - although that was the year Saban left for LSU and Williams won it in spite of his best efforts to hand the game to Florida. Is that not correct?

I put together a spreadsheet around the time Dantonio was hired that tracked our overall and B1G record year by year since the '88 Rose Bowl and recall being shocked at how bad it was. Something like 1 or 2 seasons with fewer than 4 losses since the fall of my freshman year (88/89) and not that many w/ just 4 losses either. It was really bad. I'll try and dig that up and take a look.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

were we? I though Saban and JLS were both winless in bowl games and Bobby Williams won just one - although that was the year Saban left for LSU and Williams won it in spite of his best efforts to hand the game to Florida. Is that not correct?

I put together a spreadsheet around the time Dantonio was hired that tracked our overall and B1G record year by year since the '88 Rose Bowl and recall being shocked at how bad it was. Something like 1 or 2 seasons with fewer than 4 losses since the fall of my freshman year (88/89) and not that many w/ just 4 losses either. It was really bad. I'll try and dig that up and take a look.

Williams won the year after in the silicon valley bowl before the hiring of JLS. Saban bailed at a bad time. Id be curious to see our standings in the big ten since 1988I, d wager 5th. Id also be curious to see our overall records in both sports from 1988 as well, Id wager were top 3-4 in composite at both in the big ten as a 2 sport school.

 

[Spartanmack]

Williams won the year after in the silicon valley bowl before the hiring of JLS. Saban bailed at a bad time. Id be curious to see our standings in the big ten since 1988I, d wager 5th. Id also be curious to see our overall records in both sports from 1988 as well, Id wager were top 3-4 in composite at both in the big ten as a 2 sport school.

In the 20 years since Perles' Rose Bowl (ends w/ MD's 1st year) State had just 3 years with less than 5 losses (that's awful), only 8 seasons with less than 4 B1G losses and 7 seasons with losing records in the B1G. I'm not sure where we stack up w/ other B1G teams over that time but under Bobby Williams and at least the last 2 years of JLS, we had to be at or very near the bottom of the barrell.

During that 20 year span we made just 11 bowl games (more than I would have guessed based on our record) and went 4-7 (Perles and Williams each won 2). I can't attach an image of the spreadsheet any bigger than a thumbnail but if you'd like, I can PM the spreadsheet to you to play around with.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

Not finding exact numbers that were discussing but a snapshot from different periods of other teams entering the B10 nonetheless. between 65-70 teams qualify for a bowl game which is essentially the same that qualify to make the basketball tourney. 11 appearances in a "dark period" and 4 wins. from 1993-2013 we are 1 game behind (now surpassed that) Iowa at 6th. Middle of the pack basically (what I assumed). Nebraska is excluded since they are newbies in the league.

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2013/11/all-time_big_ten_standings_and.html

 

[Spartanmack]

Not finding exact numbers that were discussing but a snapshot from different periods of other teams entering the B10 nonetheless. between 65-70 teams qualify for a bowl game which is essentially the same that qualify to make the basketball tourney. 11 appearances in a "dark period" and 4 wins. from 1993-2013 we are 1 game behind (now surpassed that) Iowa at 6th. Middle of the pack basically (what I assumed). Nebraska is excluded since they are newbies in the league.

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2013/11/all-time_big_ten_standings_and.html

Not totally surprising but 6th place in the B1G over a 20 year period is still pretty bad when you consider Illinois, Indiana and Minnesota pretty much have the bottom 3 spots locked up every year and prior to our fall before Perles' real disaster years IU, Minnie, NW, Illinois and Wisco were all pretty much doormats. In the 20 years since the Perles Rose Bowl, Illinois (1 outright, 1 shared), NW (1 & 1) and Wisco (1 & 2) all won multiple B1G titles. And Wisco has been able to maintain it's position in the top 1/3 of the conference - we pretty much traded places w/ them for during that period.

Lately we've both benefited from michigan being in the crapper and wisco has the extra advantage of being in a decidedly weaker division. It will be interesting to see how it plays out over the next few years. What does Harbaugh do w/ uofm? How does osu handle wearing the crown - they thrived as consistent underdogs last year and they have a ton of talent but expectations are a lot different now. Just 19 weeks and 2 days to kickoff. Can't wait...

 

[Spartan23MSU]

Not totally surprising but 6th place in the B1G over a 20 year period is still pretty bad when you consider Illinois, Indiana and Minnesota pretty much have the bottom 3 spots locked up every year and prior to our fall before Perles' real disaster years IU, Minnie, NW, Illinois and Wisco were all pretty much doormats. In the 20 years since the Perles Rose Bowl, Illinois (1 outright, 1 shared), NW (1 & 1) and Wisco (1 & 2) all won multiple B1G titles. And Wisco has been able to maintain it's position in the top 1/3 of the conference - we pretty much traded places w/ them for during that period.

Lately we've both benefited from michigan being in the crapper and wisco has the extra advantage of being in a decidedly weaker division. It will be interesting to see how it plays out over the next few years. What does Harbaugh do w/ uofm? How does osu handle wearing the crown - they thrived as consistent underdogs last year and they have a ton of talent but expectations are a lot different now. Just 19 weeks and 2 days to kickoff. Can't wait...

Im also looking forward to it. OSU is just getting stronger and I dont see how anyone is going to contend for the B10 crown against them. In 2011 I will have to say it was annoying to have beaten wisc and then to lose to them in the B10 Champ game. We split but they still got the title.

 

[Spartanmack]

Im also looking forward to it. OSU is just getting stronger and I dont see how anyone is going to contend for the B10 crown against them. In 2011 I will have to say it was annoying to have beaten wisc and then to lose to them in the B10 Champ game. We split but they still got the title.

It's going to be tough but we only have to beat them once I guess. And I do believe it's much harder for a team playing w/ a target on their back than with lower expectations.

yeah, that sucked especially the way we lost w/ that b.s. call roughing or running into the kicker - it was the flop of the century. It was a dumb call by Dantonio anyway - plenty of time, not need to go after it and that kid should have let up - the kick was away WAY before he got there. Martin returned that kick to the Wisco 3 yard line too!

 

[SpartyNash]

It's going to be tough but we only have to beat them once I guess. And I do believe it's much harder for a team playing w/ a target on their back than with lower expectations.

yeah, that sucked especially the way we lost w/ that b.s. call roughing or running into the kicker - it was the flop of the century. It was a dumb call by Dantonio anyway - plenty of time, not need to go after it and that kid should have let up - the kick was away WAY before he got there. Martin returned that kick to the Wisco 3 yard line too!

Even with all our success in the years following that 2011 season, I still get pissed thinking about that Big Ten title game against Wisconsin. The flop was Oscar worthy material, but it was beyond asinine to rush that punter in the first place given Martins capabilities at punt return. I was numb walking out of that game, the car ride back to the hotel was damn near complete silence.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

Even with all our success in the years following that 2011 season, I still get pissed thinking about that Big Ten title game against Wisconsin. The flop was Oscar worthy material, but it was beyond asinine to rush that punter in the first place given Martins capabilities at punt return. I was numb walking out of that game, the car ride back to the hotel was damn near complete silence.

I forgot the kicker flop. You guys resurrected some pain for me.